It Finally Happened

[Baileyneverfailey]

Even so, if he didn't like the culture or personality of this team (like he said yesterday) he should have done some thing to fix it. It SOUNDS as if he stood idly buy knowing it was going to blow up.

That doesn't say much about him to me.

Yeah, but assistant HC didn't mean he could tell Wade that he wanted to run the practices totally differently, and hold guys accountable in the way he wanted to.

People don't seem to realize that even though he was the asst. HC, Jason is also a guy who respects the chain of command, and Wade was his boss, so he did things Wade's way.

Anybody who thinks the playcalling this year has been the team's problem is insane. This is probably the worst starting O-Line in the NFL, and we still could be 500 if the defense took the ball away more or if our offensive players didn't leave so many opportunities on the field(dropped balls, tipped INTs)

 

[Hostile]

Do you honestly believe that? HONESTLY?


...and what makes it "patently false". Tell me the information you have that the rest of us do not.

Because im pretty sure it doesn't take more than the casual fan to see that Jerry meddles in the daily operations of this team.

There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.

 

[Hostile]

... or maybe the fact that so many fans have a problem with him shows that there is some merit in the fact that he meddles and does things with this franchise that are counter productive to winning football games?

Fan opinion = facts?

That's rich. I could go into dozens of examples of where fans, with no working knowledge of the locker room atmosphere at all, are based on emotions and not the real world or logic. And I am being conservative in saying dozens.

 

[Hostile]

I'm curious how important this is to most people. "One of our own" means zero to me.

I want the absolute best coach available. Where he spent his playing career, whether that be Dallas or Timbuktu, means nothing towards that end.

I do not expect anyone to adopt my ideals CL. It is important to me. I will think no less of anyone who puts no stock in it. I have my reasons for loving the concept of pedigree. I do not expect others to share those reasons.

Fair enough?

 

[TheCount]

Was it fun today to watch gears strip after the PC? I swear the whole forum slammed into reverse.

In what regard?

 

[Hostile]

In what regard?

You don't notice a change in opinion about Garrett around here? I got dozens of PMs from people saying, "okay Hos, I finally see what you see."

 

[TheCount]

You don't notice a change in opinion about Garrett around here? I got dozens of PMs from people saying, "okay Hos, I finally see what you see."

I don't know if I've seen that. I've seen plenty of Dallas Cowboys fan wish Garrett success because he's now the HC of the Dallas Cowboys. The people that hate him seem to still hate him, but even those that just disliked him are willing to wish him the best because he's now the guy.

There's no benefit to rooting for his failure, so I don't understand those that are hoping he gets fired at the end of the year without even bothering to consider what the means for the team.

 

[Hostile]

I don't know if I've seen that. I've seen plenty of Dallas Cowboys fan wish Garrett success because he's now the HC of the Dallas Cowboys. The people that hate him seem to still hate him, but even those that just disliked him are willing to wish him the best because he's now the guy.

There's no benefit to rooting for his failure, so I don't understand those that are hoping he gets fired at the end of the year without even bothering to consider what the means for the team.

A few still hate him. I agree. I still say there is an atmosphere change.

 

[SDogo]

There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.

Good grief, from the bottom of my heart I want to thank you for that post Hos:starspin

 

[Hoofbite]

A few still hate him. I agree. I still say there is an atmosphere change.

Lot of it is probably just the honeymoon period.

People are just as excited that he isn't Wade Phillips as they are excited that he is Jason Garrett.

I admitted it yesterday that he came off great in his presser. He has the press conference skills down. How that translates to the field is yet to be seen.

People are always excited about something new. Hell, this board was lovey dovey with Wade Phillips at one time. Myself included.

The only thing that anyone who has been a Garrett detractor can hope for is that he was truly hampered by Wade Phillips presence. I don't know how that could of been but we'll see. Seems to me that any assistant or coach worth their salt would already have somewhat of an imprint on the team. Maybe not. Maybe Jason was content with letting Wade's way be the way.

I hope that. I hope that Garrett's shortcomings were a product of Wade's way being the way. I'm not expecting that to be the case but I hope that it is.

 

[Hostile]

Lot of it is probably just the honeymoon period.

People are just as excited that he isn't Wade Phillips as they are excited that he is Jason Garrett.

I admitted it yesterday that he came off great in his presser. He has the press conference skills down. How that translates to the field is yet to be seen.

People are always excited about something new. Hell, this board was lovey dovey with Wade Phillips at one time. Myself included.

The only thing that anyone who has been a Garrett detractor can hope for is that he was truly hampered by Wade Phillips presence. I don't know how that could of been but we'll see. Seems to me that any assistant or coach worth their salt would already have somewhat of an imprint on the team. Maybe not. Maybe Jason was content with letting Wade's way be the way.

I hope that. I hope that Garrett's shortcomings were a product of Wade's way being the way. I'm not expecting that to be the case but I hope that it is.

I won't disagree with you, because I agree in principle.

 

[percyhoward]

The only thing that anyone who has been a Garrett detractor can hope for is that he was truly hampered by Wade Phillips presence.

You could also hope that, if he's here next year, he brings in an OC.

 

[zrinkill]

There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.

Great Post

 

[cml750]

There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.

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Great post Hos. I get so tired of people running down Jerry Jones. He is not perfect but no owner or GM is. He gets things done. He waited way to long to get rid of Wade but that just shows he is loyal.

 

[Nightshade]

A few still hate him. I agree. I still say there is an atmosphere change.

Do you still want him to call the plays? Or did you have an OC you have in mind that could be a good fit here?

 

[Doomsay]

The non meddling stuff is laughable. You bring in a head coach to babysit your young head-coach-in-waiting (who has already been hired). You force assistants on that HC rather than letting him build his staff, and you muzzle him like an errant teenager at the combine, refusing to let him speak to the press. That is the definition of a coach without authority.

 

[Hostile]

The non meddling stuff is laughable. You bring in a head coach to babysit your young head-coach-in-waiting (who has already been hired). You force assistants on that HC rather than letting him build his staff, and you muzzle him like an errant teenager at the combine, refusing to let him speak to the press. That is the definition of a coach without authority.

What is laughable is how weak that commentary is as proof.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Nah, he didn't interfere. He just hovered over my back at scouting combines and stuff.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

How many times has Jones bragged he makes all final decissions on every thing Cowboys. (not an exact quote but close enough)

Yeah, Parcells wanted Owens, Tank, Pacman, and every other high character jerk Jones signed. They were exactly what Parcells was trying to get rid of.

Claim all you want your insiders say different, I don't doubt they do. But not every one in the media is stupid, some do talk to insiders also. Jerry puts himself above every thing period.

One thing I have never heard Jerry say is he gives coaches freedom to run this team either. If he has, I missed it.

 

[Hostile]

How many times has Jones bragged he makes all final decissions on every thing Cowboys. (not an exact quote but close enough)

Yeah, Parcells wanted Owens, Tank, Pacman, and every other high character jerk Jones signed. They were exactly what Parcells was trying to get rid of.

Claim all you want your insiders say different, I don't doubt they do. But not every one in the media is stupid, some do talk to insiders also. Jerry puts himself above every thing period.

One thing I have never heard Jerry say is he gives coaches freedom to run this team either. If he has, I missed it.

Parcells said he wanted Owens.

Pacman and Tank never played under Parcells. They were here under Wade.


Nice effort though.