It Really Looks Like Davis Will Be A Cowboy

[Beast_from_East]

Guys, I started crunching some numbers and there is no way the Deadskins can afford Davis after signing Fletcher and Smoot. They still have to sign draft picks (#6 pick overall I think) and they have some June bonuses to pay out.

Considering that they freed up about $9 mill from most accounts by redoing contracts, paid Fletcher $5 per and Smoot probably gets at least $3 per, leave enough for the 6th pick and June bonuses, and that $9 mill is gone.

They could release some more players, but then they would have to sign back lessor (meaning cheaper) ones in FA. Unless they are cheating, and I would not put that pass little Napoleon, the are going to be out of cash pretty quick. No way they can pay Davis anything close to what he is wanting.

It really appears that Davis went to Washington as a cheap trick to try and scare Dallas into upping their offer.

Thats my .02, I could be wrong.

 

[CounterTrey]

Folks like you (cap "experts" stating the Skins had no room for any more FA action) have been saying that since 2000 and have been wrong every year. If we want the guy, Snyder will find a way. The true question is do we want him bad enough to outbid you guys for him. I hope not....the money Dockery got was absurd and Davis is likely to get similar cash based on what the market is dictating.

The interesting aspect is all 3 teams involved (gmen, skins, boys) want to use him differently.

I just can't believe the money these guys who are merely above average are getting.

 

[Yeagermeister]

If he wants him bad enough, meaning keeping Dallas from signing him, Danny "ATM" Synder will make it happen by redoing more contracts. I have given up on them ever getting in cap hell.

 

[silverbear]

Folks like you (cap "experts" stating the Skins had no room for any more FA action) have been saying that since 2000 and have been wrong every year. If we want the guy, Snyder will find a way. The true question is do we want him bad enough to outbid you guys for him. I hope not....the money Dockery got was absurd and Davis is likely to get similar cash based on what the market is dictating.

The interesting aspect is all 3 teams involved (gmen, skins, boys) want to use him differently.

I just can't believe the money these guys who are merely above average are getting.

If nothing else, this particular poster has an imperfect grasp of how contract structures work... though the deal that Fletcher signed AVERAGES 5 million per annum, his first year cap hit will be significantly lower than that... his 10.5 million signing bonus (if paid all at once, if it's not a split bonus) works out to 2.1 mil against the cap this year... then you can figure that his base salary this year is at or close to the veteran minimum (because he's already pocketed 10.5 million), which I believe is around 750k this year... that would leave you with a first year cap hit of 2.85 million... it could be a bit lower still if there are split bonuses involved...

The same would be true for Smoot's deal, whatever the parameters of that one are... his first year cap hit will be somewhat less than the average value of the deal...

Even so, I do think that the only reason the Skins didn't sign Davis is cap constraints... oh, they might be able to manufacture cap room for him, but to do so would likely leave them severely hamstrung when it comes to further improving the team... there are only so many cuts and renegotiations available to them in any year, y'know...

So, why do I think money was the reason behind Davis getting out of Commanders Park without Danny Boy getting his signature on a contract?? That's simple-- with Dockery leaving for Buffalo, the Skins have a HUGE hole at guard, and nobody on the roster right now really qualified to step in and start 16 games... and with the Skins all but certain to go defense in the first round (and with no more than 3 late round picks after that), they won't likely be able to plug that hole via the draft...

But there are other guards out there in free agency, lesser talents perhaps but not nearly as costly as Davis is sure to be... perhaps the Skins will talk to Zach Piller, or Montrae Holland, or Floyd Womack, or even Kendyl Jacox... all of them would be a significant upgrade over whoever the Skins have currently plugged in to their depth chart as Dockery's replacement right now (I'm guessing that would be Mike Pucillo)...

Or maybe Danny Boy will revert to form, and throw money at big Leonard...

 

[Yeagermeister]

Or maybe Danny Boy will revert to form, and throw money at big Leonard...

The ATM will make it rain for him :jackpot:

 

[Alexander]

But there are other guards out there in free agency, lesser talents perhaps but not nearly as costly as Davis is sure to be... perhaps the Skins will talk to Zach Piller, or Montrae Holland, or Floyd Womack, or even Kendyl Jacox... all of them would be a significant upgrade over whoever the Skins have currently plugged in to their depth chart as Dockery's replacement right now (I'm guessing that would be Mike Pucillo)...

Or maybe Danny Boy will revert to form, and throw money at big Leonard...

The Commanders don't need Davis. They could easily draft a guard because they have two solid tackles. Now, they have no draft choices, so that hurts, but in theory, they don't have to have him. They could go down the line with lower-priced guards.

 

[lspain1]

The Commanders don't need Davis. They could easily draft a guard because they have two solid tackles. Now, they have no draft choices, so that hurts, but in theory, they don't have to have him. They could go down the line with lower-priced guards.

Your statement is true but "thin up the middle" will not help the 'skins perimeter and off-tackle based running attack. They need guards that can pull. Can Campbell handle being rushed up the middle?

 

[newlander]

I think there are a few basic truths in this thread. First, I agree with those who say if the midget wants Davis, he'll sign him: period. But I also think he doesn't fit what the skins want and need in a guard. So I think said midget has some fun at JJ's expense, and Davis and his agent are the beneficiaries of it. Just my take on it. As I've said, getting Davis would be OK but only at the right price. I actually trust JJ not to overpay for him, because he can go back to Colombo and sign him if need be. Granted, they want Davis to play guard and Colombo is a tackle, BUT if cooler heads prevail, they'll realize it's much cheaper and easier to draft a solid guard and possibly play Proctor than to continue this ridiculous charade.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

If he wants him bad enough, meaning keeping Dallas from signing him, Danny "ATM" Synder will make it happen by redoing more contracts. I have given up on them ever getting in cap hell.

That is the truth!

 

[Mansta54]

Your statement is true but "thin up the middle" will not help the 'skins perimeter and off-tackle based running attack. They need guards that can pull. Can Campbell handle being rushed up the middle?

The Deadskins T situation isn't all that great either. Some of the media and former players questioned the restructuring of Jansen, they felt like Dockery should have been resigned instead. Jansen was beaten often last year. I listen to Brian Mitchells radio show daily and he wasn't all that happy with it..

 

[silverbear]

The Commanders don't need Davis. They could easily draft a guard because they have two solid tackles.

Not a good one, not in THIS draft, when they have no pick after the first round until the fifth... unless they got REAL lucky (and a review of their recent late round draft picks does not inspire confidence in the possibility of such luck coming to pass), all the good guards will be long gone...

Now, they have no draft choices, so that hurts, but in theory, they don't have to have him. They could go down the line with lower-priced guards.

Which was, of course, my reason for mentioning all those lesser guards in the first place...

 

[Mansta54]

The Commanders don't need Davis. They could easily draft a guard because they have two solid tackles. Now, they have no draft choices, so that hurts, but in theory, they don't have to have him. They could go down the line with lower-priced guards.

I think the Deadskins need Davis. They have very few draft picks and their Dline is in poor shape. I don't think they can waste picks on olinemen when their Dline needs so much help. Their Dline is old and they stayed hurt last year... They need Davis...

 

[Alexander]

I think the Deadskins need Davis. They have very few draft picks and their Dline is in poor shape. I don't think they can waste picks on olinemen when their Dline needs so much help. Their Dline is old and they stayed hurt last year... They need Davis...

They need a guard. And they could still get one. We could still get one.

It isn't like they are going to have to put him on their VISA with the ten trillion dollar limit like everyone else.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Folks like you (cap "experts" stating the Skins had no room for any more FA action) have been saying that since 2000 and have been wrong every year. If we want the guy, Snyder will find a way. The true question is do we want him bad enough to outbid you guys for him. I hope not....the money Dockery got was absurd and Davis is likely to get similar cash based on what the market is dictating.

The interesting aspect is all 3 teams involved (gmen, skins, boys) want to use him differently.

I just can't believe the money these guys who are merely above average are getting.

There's an easier way to say this: prices went up. It's like anything else. Gas prices went up, housing prices went up, NFL salaries went up. Whinging and moaning is well within our rights but if you want a gas, house or NFL FA, you get what you pay for.

 

[vicjagger]

There's an easier way to say this: prices went up. It's like anything else. Gas prices went up, housing prices went up, NFL salaries went up. Whinging and moaning is well within our rights but if you want a gas, house or NFL FA, you get what you pay for.

Makes last years mistakes seem like no big deal. Check out this delusion, it's hilarious: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191931

 

[burmafrd]

If anyone really thinks that Davis is as good a tackle as Columbo is i have some land in Florida for sale....

 

[riverside4]

How much $$$$ LOL

 

[big dog cowboy]

BUT if cooler heads prevail, they'll realize it's much cheaper and easier to draft a solid guard and possibly play Proctor than to continue this ridiculous charade.

Proctor is the unknown here. Can he play in this league or not? Those who know aren't talking.

 

[Monte51Coleman]

So, why do I think money was the reason behind Davis getting out of Commanders Park without Danny Boy getting his signature on a contract?? That's simple-- with Dockery leaving for Buffalo, the Skins have a HUGE hole at guard, and nobody on the roster right now really qualified to step in and start 16 games... and with the Skins all but certain to go defense in the first round (and with no more than 3 late round picks after that), they won't likely be able to plug that hole via the draft...

My guess would be that Davis intended to be close to home the whole time and was using Washington's well known history of over-payments to drive his price up.

Looks like it worked, too, if the numbers being thrown around are even close to accurate.

 

[Mansta54]

My guess would be that Davis intended to be close to home the whole time and was using Washington's well known history of over-payments to drive his price up.

Looks like it worked, too, if the numbers being thrown around are even close to accurate.

Good move on Davis part then. He wanted market value, nothing wrong with that.. I'm glad we signed him. He's a mauler at the G position..