James Hanna vs Gavin Escobar?

[Deep_Freeze]

The Cowboys picked at 47, the next OL wasn't picked until 65. The whole nfl didn't see any legitimate starting OL available. Broaddus has said repeatedly the guy taken at 65 wasn't even a OL that Callahan liked.

Exactly.

No point in reaching for some OL that Callahan didn't even want, the draft is about talent acquisition, not filling needs. It should be obvious that for the cowboys to have made this pick, Escobar had to be the BPA on their board cause they really didn't need a TE.

Make 2 first round picks in the last 3 years for the OL, and still people find reason to complain. There are other positions on this team that need to be addressed, and the draft it should always be BPA anyway, especially after the first round.

 

[Risen Star]

Good point.

It's not really a good point. Just because an OL didn't go in the next 20 picks doesn't mean a thing to our situation and needs. It also doesn't mean the entire NFL didn't feel there was a starting quality OL left on the board. 6 more went in the 3rd round. I doubt those teams spent the pick on what they believe is a career backup.

It's a good point in terms of it not having a single relevant point.

 

[Risen Star]

Exactly.

No point in reaching for some OL that Callahan didn't even want, the draft is about talent acquisition, not filling needs. It should be obvious that for the cowboys to have made this pick, Escobar had to be the BPA on their board cause they really didn't need a TE.

Make 2 first round picks in the last 3 years for the OL, and still people find reason to complain. There are other positions on this team that need to be addressed, and the draft it should always be BPA anyway, especially after the first round.

Note to self, Bill Callahan is the be all, end all OL talent evaluator.

 

[Risen Star]

And you should try to realize that there are more than 5 positions on a football team.

Of course there are. But it all starts there and the Cowboys aren't good enough. You can't win losing the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. An irrelevant 3rd TE or CB doesn't change anything.

I'd find your stance a little more believable if you would have mentioned Escobar at any point before the draft.

 

[Risen Star]

The good teams that were picking behind us also don't have Livings, Bernadeau, and Parnell/Free starting on their line. With the exception of probably Hugh Thorton who I wasn't crazy about the next 6 or 7 lineman would at least be making a strong push to start for us by the end of the season.

Exactly right. The draft was still littered with OL talent that could upgrade this roster. DL talent too. They chose a TE. I think they're wrong. Again.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Of course there are. But it all starts there and the Cowboys aren't good enough. You can't win losing the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. An irrelevant 3rd TE or CB doesn't change anything.

I'd find your stance a little more believable if you would have mentioned Escobar at any point before the draft.

Yeah, no offense, but I don't think you really understand my "stance." Mostly because it's a little more complicated than, "Load up on a certain position to satisfy an outdated cliche'."

 

[Hoofbite]

The Cowboys picked at 47, the next OL wasn't picked until 65. The whole nfl didn't see any legitimate starting OL available. Broaddus has said repeatedly the guy taken at 65 wasn't even a OL that Callahan liked.

So Dallas could have went with another player in the first and scooped Fred in the 2nd instead of Escobar?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Note to self, Bill Callahan is the be all, end all OL talent evaluator.

The point is, at that spot in the draft, an OL wasn't the BPA. Its obvious that according to their board, Escobar (no matter if we like the positional pick or not) was the most talented player available regardless of position.

I have no problem with going BPA at that spot in the draft.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

So Dallas could have went with another player in the first and scooped Fred in the 2nd instead of Escobar?

Um, how did you come to this conclusion based on that post?

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah, no offense, but I don't think you really understand my "stance." Mostly because it's a little more complicated than, "Load up on a certain position to satisfy an outdated cliche'."

Sure I do. Pretend you really love the talent of a player you never heard of once the Cowboys drafted him.

What you'll never see me do is become a fan of a player's potential simply because he wears our uniform.

 

[Risen Star]

The point is, at that spot in the draft, an OL wasn't the BPA. Its obvious that according to their board, Escobar (no matter if we like the positional pick or not) was the most talented player available regardless of position.

I have no problem with going BPA at that spot in the draft.

Nobody's arguing they reached past an OL on their board. But we can't use that as a defense. You're talking about a front office that has let the OL deteriorate to embarrassing status. So what they think of offensive linemen....just might....be wrong.

 

[Risen Star]

In other words, in a long line of mistakes in addressing or not addressing the OL over the last two decades, I'm betting the Escobar pick is another of those.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Sure I do. Pretend you really love the talent of a player you never heard of once the Cowboys drafted him.

What you'll never see me do is become a fan of a player's potential simply because he wears our uniform.

Nope. Unlike you, I analyze more than one potential draft position. Just because I didn't post about Gavin didn't mean I didn't analyze the player. Escobar was fast riser before the draft and was solid value where he was selected. He was better than any OLineman left, as evidenced by the fact that McDonald AND Kelce were drafted before any other offensive lineman.

 

[Risen Star]

Nope. Unlike you, I analyze more than one potential draft position. Just because I didn't post about Gavin didn't mean I didn't analyze the player. Escobar was fast riser before the draft and was solid value where he was selected. He was better than any OLineman left, as evidenced by the fact that McDonald AND Kelce were drafted before any other offensive lineman.

Right, he was so good and you thought so much of him that you decided not to mention him once in the months leading up to the draft. Makes sense.

The TEs drafted after him would classify a "run".

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Right, he was so good and you thought so much of him that you decided not to mention him once in the months leading up to the draft. Makes sense.

The TEs drafted after him would classify a "run".

As I've explained, I did not expect the Cowboys to draft him. I'm a draft nerd, but why would I post on a Cowboys forum about a prospect I didn't expect the Cowboys to draft?

I would say, however, I did post a good amount about the Cowboys potentially drafting Eifert, so don't pretend like I was opposed to the Cowboys drafting a TE.

 

[Hoofbite]

Um, how did you come to this conclusion based on that post?

Pretty simple, I see 1 OL taken after Fred (until 67th oversll) and see he's an OT and I speculate.

Just like everyone else really. Observe X and speculate Y.

Didnt realize this was the thread where we only speculate in ways that justify the actual outcomes.

 

[Risen Star]

As I've explained, I did not expect the Cowboys to draft him. I'm a draft nerd, but why would I post on a Cowboys forum about a prospect I didn't expect the Cowboys to draft?

I would say, however, I did post a good amount about the Cowboys potentially drafting Eifert, so don't pretend like I was opposed to the Cowboys drafting a TE.

I see. So you talked about one TE just not the other. Because you didn't expect him to be a Cowboy. They might take this good TE but not this good TE.

 

[Risen Star]

Pretty simple, I see 1 OL taken after Fred (until 67th oversll) and see he's an OT and I speculate.

Just like everyone else really. Observe X and speculate Y.

Didnt realize this was the thread where we only speculate in ways that justify the actual outcomes.

If the Cowboys wouldn't have taken Frederick at 31, there would have been massive trade talks at 32 for him. The Ravens might have lost out on a bounty.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Nobody's arguing they reached past an OL on their board. But we can't use that as a defense. You're talking about a front office that has let the OL deteriorate to embarrassing status. So what they think of offensive linemen....just might....be wrong.

Yeah, they might be wrong, but I'm not going to assume they are wrong like you seem to be doing.

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah, they might be wrong, but I'm not going to assume they are wrong like you seem to be doing.

Don't know the issue. This is what I believed pre-draft. I didn't roll out of bed that Saturday and decide Larry Warford was a better player than Gavin Escobar or that the OL was a huge critical need holding this team back.

Their prior history has to matter. You give the benefit of the doubt to the Ravens. You don't with the Cowboys.