Jason Garrett - Coach of the Year?

[endersdragon]

You are now asking a different question than the OP...

You brought it up when you said that Philbin and Pettine have put better products on the field... so is 7-5 a better product than 9-4?

 

[Idgit]

I don't agree with the sentiment that you need 12 wins to have successful coaching season but we also have to look at the people predicting 11 or 12 wins the last few years and claiming injuries and other issues for not achieving the lofty predictions a lot of people made here...

If you ever look at the season win-total prediction threads here at CZ, you actually don't see very many posters at all predicting 12 win seasons. Most ranged between 8-8 and 10-6 the last several years. And, interestingly, some of the more pessimistic posters (real posters, I mean, and not people just playing a role on the internet) had loftier predictions than the more hopeful ones. Most of the positive posters the last several years have been primarily preaching improvement and a chance to compete in the NFCE, all of which we've actually had during that time.

 

[Idgit]

Gotta love how 3 consecutive non-winning seasons is blamed on injuries and lack of talent, however the first winning season is now all due to coaching.

COTY is an award that's generally handed out because of the delta between expectations and a team's final record. Which is probably not all that great a measurement of the job a coach did, anyway. Too many other factors go into winning (and losing) football games.

Personally, I've always thought Garrett was a good coach. And I"m not sure he's a better one this season just because the record is better. I think he's doing the same things the same ways he's always done, and the gradual and consistent accumulation of talent is what's paying off in wins.

And he wouldn't win COTY at 9-7 with one win over a winning team. All of this discussion is in a context where we continue winning to qualify for the playoffs at a minimum, and that's going to mean 11-5/12-4 in all likelihood, and some more wins over good teams.

 

[waving monkey]

Why does Garrett get credit for patiently building the offensive talent he wanted but no one is allowed to blame him for ignoring the glaring weaknesses on the defensive side of the ball?

Does "the process" only involve offensive players? Maybe there's a sequel, The Process Part 2? Stacking good off-seasons on top of good off-seasons and in 10 or 12 years, ta-da!

because there are only so many picks and the glaring need was offense
next defense,simple

 

[waving monkey]

Gotta love how 3 consecutive non-winning seasons is blamed on injuries and lack of talent, however the first winning season is now all due to coaching.

yap thats the way it is

 

[CF74]

Cardinals were 10-6 last season.

I also remember a power ranking article on NFL.com in the preseason that listed the Cowboys and the Rams as the two teams with no chance of making the playoffs. The perception before the season was that the Cowboys were going to be terrible because the defense got "worse " and Tony wasn't going to finish the year.

I think a lot of you are forgetting that the award isn't a lifetime coaching award, it's for a single season. And while I don't think he is going to win, you guys are kidding yourselves if you think he isn't in the conversation. Besides, most of the media blame for the Cowboys lack of success has been on Jerry, not Garrett.

That's cool I'm not dogging the man..

 

[DOUBLE WING]

because there are only so many picks and the glaring need was offense
next defense,simple

Off the top of my head, there are only three players on this defense that predate Jason Garrett - Scandrick, Spencer and Church.

That leaves 24 other players on this defensive roster who were drafted, signed or traded under the Garrett era.

If he's getting any credit for the offense, he darn sure better be getting the blame for the defense.

To answer the OP, if we win the division I think Garrett has as good a case as anyone. If not, it should go to Chip Kelly or Bruce Arians if Arizona holds onto the NFC West.

 

[PoundTheRock]

Absolutely not.

 

[waving monkey]

Off the top of my head, there are only three players on this defense that predate Jason Garrett - Scandrick, Spencer and Church.

That leaves 24 other players on this defensive roster who were drafted, signed or traded under the Garrett era.

If he's getting any credit for the offense, he darn sure better be getting the blame for the defense.

To answer the OP, if we win the division I think Garrett has as good a case as anyone. If not, it should go to Chip Kelly or Bruce Arians if Arizona holds onto the NFC West.

Red will get the extention

 

[Risen Star]

Of course he'd get consideration here. He's already getting consideration here right now.

It shows how far out in left field he is that he thinks this place is filled with haters.

 

[Risen Star]

If he wins out, I would consider it.

My only issue is that he's had literally a pro bowl offense for years now and we've finished 8-8 in all of those years. We are 9-7 right now and we added an All pro guard in Martin to the mix.

He hasn't exactly had the roster of the Dolphins, Browns, and Buffalo

I agree. All three of those teams have much better defenses.

 

[Risen Star]

That will be next year. He fixes the position after it hits rock bottom.

Like a good GM would.

 

[bkeavs]

I agree. All three of those teams have much better defenses.

Ryan Tanehill , Bryan Hoyer and Kyle Orton

 

[George]

Given the fact this team was ranked darn near dead last and counted out by virtually ALL national, and even some local, media... does JG deserve to be in the conversation for Coach of the Year? Is he deserving of the award? If the team makes the playoffs? If they win a playoff game? Get to SB and/or win it?

I'm curious what y'all think?

Yes. If he wins SB!!!!

 

[Risen Star]

Ryan Tanehill , Bryan Hoyer and Kyle Orton

Yeah, the Cowboys have a much better QB. Those teams have much better defenses.

You can't really paint the picture Garrett's had it good here. He works for an egomaniacal lunatic, prior to the last couple of years he's had an abortion of an offensive line in front of that franchise QB and his defense the last couple of years has been the worst we've ever seen.

He's had a stacked deck? Spare me.

 

[bkeavs]

Yeah, the Cowboys have a much better QB. Those teams have much better defenses.

You can't really paint the picture Garrett's had it good here. He works for an egomaniacal lunatic, prior to the last couple of years he's had an abortion of an offensive line in front of that franchise QB and his defense the last couple of years has been the worst we've ever seen.

He's had a stacked deck? Spare me.

Certainly didn't have a stacked deck but a very good QB is the hardest position to fill in the NFL and the Cowboys have one in Romo. I blame the GM mostly for not identifying the issue of the porous offensive line.
I certainly don't think Garret has been some transcendent coach. It doesn't matter really who is coaching this team with Jerry at the helm

 

[Risen Star]

Certainly didn't have a stacked deck but a very good QB is the hardest position to fill in the NFL and the Cowboys have one in Romo. I blame the GM mostly for not identifying the issue of the porous offensive line.
I certainly don't think Garret has been some transcendent coach. It doesn't matter really who is coaching this team with Jerry at the helm

I think the job Garrett has is the hardest in the entire NFL. It's the one least conducive to winning. If he can overcome that, they should name the stadium after him.

 

[bkeavs]

I think the job Garrett has is the hardest in the entire NFL. It's the one least conducive to winning. If he can overcome that, they should name the stadium after him.

I think the Oakland is much harder but your point is fair

 

[Ken]

How anyone could say that Garrett is not in the mix for COTY is astounding. How anyone could just throw Chip Kelly in there and completely dismiss Garrett is equally astounding. IF Chip beats Dallas next week and goes on to win the Division...he is in the discussion but he won the division last year...so why is it so great this year? Also, IF Garrett beat Kelly next week and goes on the win the division, how could you say that Chip is a contender and Garrett is not?

 

[Hoofbite]

COTY is an award that's generally handed out because of the delta between expectations and a team's final record. Which is probably not all that great a measurement of the job a coach did, anyway. Too many other factors go into winning (and losing) football games.

Personally, I've always thought Garrett was a good coach. And I"m not sure he's a better one this season just because the record is better. I think he's doing the same things the same ways he's always done, and the gradual and consistent accumulation of talent is what's paying off in wins.

And he wouldn't win COTY at 9-7 with one win over a winning team. All of this discussion is in a context where we continue winning to qualify for the playoffs at a minimum, and that's going to mean 11-5/12-4 in all likelihood, and some more wins over good teams.

Expected, but more importantly previous season's record. Biggest jump in wins.

I'd also add that COTY can go to a team that is head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the league, but that's pretty rare.

I think Bill O'Brien could be the guy. A 2-win team with a sketchy QB situation currently at 6-6. They have two games against the Jags so if they handle those and split between Indy and Baltimore they'd be sitting on 9 wins.