News: Jason Garrett: From lame-duck Cowboys coach to secure leader

[LittleBoyBlue]

Going 8-8 while rebuilding is quite impressive when you put it all in perspective..

I love Garrett.
I was all for Garrett as head coach.
I started to go against Garrett with "abandon" the run/shotgun thingy"

I am back with Garret unless he goes back to shotgun only offense.

If you keep it real. Those 8-8 season all should have been 10-6. The talent was there. Coaching and good decisions were not.

 

[Stash]

"Garrett has found the right balance, and the proof is in the results."

This line spoke as much to me as any other.

I attribute as much of last year's 12-4 success to people being in their proper roles as anything else.

And it extends not only up to Garrett, but to Jerry as well. These men are all finding their roles, what they're good at, and what they're not. From GM, to head coach, to coordinators and position coaches.

And as much as anything else, I think all involved deserve credit for knowing their limitations and putting ego aside for the greater good.

It's showing pretty clearly to this fan.

 

[tyke1doe]

Lame duck? That is reaching. He may have had his doubters but there was never any indication his job was in trouble except from the mediots trying to drum up another sensationalized story about the Cowboys.

My sentiments too.

Garrett wasn't going anywhere, and Jerry wasn't on the brink of getting rid of him. Jerry needs a particular coach he can work with. Someone he trusts. Someone who went through the glory years with him and understands the franchise. Someone who understands his passion for the game, even if it is misplaced occasionally. Someone who will let him be the owner and the spokesman for the team without getting all bent out of shape. Someone who will let him pick assistant coaches and won't take it personally or pack his bags and leave. Someone Jerry can grow with.

Garrett fits that to the T.

 

[tyke1doe]

The way JG has rebuilt the roster the last 3 years is pretty amazing. To not have a losing season while doing it is amazing especially given the injury situation on defense in '12 and '13. To keep Jerry under control and not give out any more bad contracts is pretty amazing. Still a lame duck? Far from it. Very far.

This is an interesting perspective, and I agree. Notice how the Ravens hardly ever have a top pick, yet they're always plucking great talent in the draft (Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, C.J. Mosley, Joe Flacco, Haloti Ngata) and almost always in contention. The Pittsburgh Steelers are the same way. And I think a large influence in that has to do with the stability of the head coaching position and a great philosophy on how you want your teams built.

As you can see by my signature, I always had faith in Garrett. And even though I've wavered in my thoughts on whether this team was headed in the right direction (more a reflection on my feelings about Jerry Jones micromanaging), when I saw a pattern being established that Garrett wanted to beef up the line so much so as to use first-round picks to do so, I said, "Now we're heading in the right direction."

You build a team from the inside out unless there's that can't-miss skilled player available (which Dez was).

Garrett spent enough time observing the Great Wall of Dallas to understand that's the way you need to go to win championships.

 

[tyke1doe]

I see a lot of folks trying to define fallback positions from their 'Garret is Terrible!' stances of the past. I expect this to be more and more difficult to sustain.

If it were left up to some on this board, Garrett would be an assistant coach somewhere in the NFL.

 

[waving monkey]

Those who still cast dispersions on Red are just looking for faults.

I'll say this from now till 2025 Red will remain the HC.
Red will win three NFCE titles and two SB by the end of his current contract.
He will be favorable compared to Jimmy Johnson and he should be.
And there will be distractors on this site calling fowl.

 

[Idgit]

Wait a minute...

So you guys really think Frederick and Martin were our first options?

Are you joking...?

We settled for those players because all of our main targets had been picked.

Draft boards typically aren't all that picked over in the first round. Yes, I think both Martin and Frederick were guys we'd scouted and targeted. Of course.

It's irrelevant that other guys we'd scouted and targeted were also picked before we were on the clock.

 

[CowboyDan]

"Garrett has found the right balance, and the proof is in the results."

This line spoke as much to me as any other.

I attribute as much of last year's 12-4 success to people being in their proper roles as anything else.

And it extends not only up to Garrett, but to Jerry as well. These men are all finding their roles, what they're good at, and what they're not. From GM, to head coach, to coordinators and position coaches.

And as much as anything else, I think all involved deserve credit for knowing their limitations and putting ego aside for the greater good.

It's showing pretty clearly to this fan.

Completely agree. An organizational shift in philosophy and getting the right guys in key positions.

I think Red J is a much better head coach than he is an offensive coordinator. (or Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator)

 

[Stash]

Completely agree. An organizational shift in philosophy and getting the right guys in key positions.

I think Red J is a much better head coach than he is an offensive coordinator. (or Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator)

I completely agree. He's in his perfect role right now. I hope it never changes. I have no desire to see him ever try to wear two hats again.

 

[erod]

No.. You're not using common sense.

Dallas selected Frederick and Martin because that is how the draft fell to them.


It wasn't some vision that Garrett had in a dream that he brought to reality.

Before Garrett, Jerry would not have selected offensive linemen in the first round with those picks.

You have a short memory.

 

[CATCH17]

Draft boards typically aren't all that picked over in the first round. Yes, I think both Martin and Frederick were guys we'd scouted and targeted. Of course.

It's irrelevant that other guys we'd scouted and targeted were also picked before we were on the clock.

It's not irrelevant for this conversation because the plan wasn't to go build a great Oline. The draft fell that way.

 

[Idgit]

It's not irrelevant for this conversation because the plan wasn't to go build a great Oline. The draft fell that way.

It is irrelevant. All drafts fall some way. The team gets credit for the guys they pick, period. You can't fault them for guys you think they would have maybe picked, but didn't.

 

[Stash]

It is irrelevant. All drafts fall some way. The team gets credit for the guys they pick, period. You can't fault them for guys you think they would have maybe picked, but didn't.

And similarly, you can't praise Garrett for putting together this phenomenal line when, in fact, it wasn't part of some Master Plan, but the result of intelligence meeting opportunity.

Good fortune played a large role in the current assemblage of talent. It wasn't a master blueprint cooked up in Garrett's garage.

 

[CF74]

I love Garrett.
I was all for Garrett as head coach.
I started to go against Garrett with "abandon" the run/shotgun thingy"

I am back with Garret unless he goes back to shotgun only offense.

If you keep it real. Those 8-8 season all should have been 10-6. The talent was there. Coaching and good decisions were not.

Or at least 9-7 but players make plays, good and bad sometimes...

 

[CATCH17]

It is irrelevant. All drafts fall some way. The team gets credit for the guys they pick, period. You can't fault them for guys you think they would have maybe picked, but didn't.

Im not faulting him.

Just pointing out the delusion some of you have that are saying Garretts plan all along was to build this Oline.

The draft fell that way for us but Guards and Centers weren't our top priority.

I credit Garrett and the Cowboys for picking them when their main targets were gone but I don't give Garrett credit for having this as some kind of master plan that he intended.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dallas has had teams that were much better then our opponents and we have gone home losers because our passing schemes continuously play into their hands with 25 yard routes down the sideline.

The screen and pick passes that almost all teams are using is not a thing here.

Our idea of a short route starts and stop with a hitch route.

We let defenses dictate pretty much everything we do and thrown absolutely nothing at them that could cause to actually have to think.

yet we have posted #7, #16, #6, #11, #7, #2, #13, #3 offense in the league under garrett. so the length of time takes out of the question last year's offensive line. outside of a #16 ranking (2013) which I mostly blame on one of the worst defenses in history of NFL, that could never get off the field, its been consistently good and that's with an old, out of date, unimaginative offense as you put it.

so either you are full of Sh## or you are full of Sh##, there are no other choices

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Im not faulting him.

Just pointing out the delusion some of you have that are saying Garretts plan all along was to build this Oline.

The draft fell that way for us but Guards and Centers weren't our top priority.

I credit Garrett and the Cowboys for picking them when their main targets were gone but I don't give Garrett credit for having this as some kind of master plan that he intended.

his plan was to change the culture of the team, change the dynamic of the team, build a team inside out and address the OL. that goes along with him having convinced Jerry to take an OL with a top 10 pick and pick 3 OL men three years in a row, when according to Jerry himself he almost turned in the manziel card.

so yes, contrary to your posts, he did plan to build a good team and rebuild the DL and OL and all according to an over all plan. if you would take the time to notice, you would see that drafts have been purposeful and have had a lot more success during garrett era and we have built a foundation and added depth.

and all drafts fall to you......you either screw it up by taking manziel type player or you pick the right player by sticking to your board and plan. which is what we didn't do under wade.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Oh brother.

He lucked into his vision then because Tyron was the only guy we had targeted with the pick we had.

Frederick and Martin were just guys we settled for.

ahhh. we had a choice between smith and watts. and they had them ranked close and they needed both. He convinced jerry to take an OL as the corner stone of building his OL. the first time cowboys had ever taken an OL in the first round under jerry and in the top 10 ever.

and in any draft, if you are picking in the middle draft falls to you and you make your picks. you can either pick a johny manziel or Jones as a back up RB in the first. or you make the right pick. so you are faulting him for making the right pick. interesting angle.

 

[CATCH17]

his plan was to change the culture of the team, change the dynamic of the team, build a team inside out and address the OL. that goes along with him having convinced Jerry to take an OL with a top 10 pick and pick 3 OL men three years in a row, when according to Jerry himself he almost turned in the manziel card.

so yes, contrary to your posts, he did plan to build a good team and rebuild the DL and OL and all according to an over all plan. if you would take the time to notice, you would see that drafts have been purposeful and have had a lot more success during garrett era and we have built a foundation and added depth.

and all drafts fall to you......you either screw it up by taking manziel type player or you pick the right player by sticking to your board and plan. which is what we didn't do under wade.

You sir are delusional.

Coach trying to build a good team? Well no kidding.

Rebuild the OL and DL? Well no kidding it was awful.

But you can bet your *** Ryan Shazier and a few others are a Cowboy and not Martin had the Cowboys had it their way on draft day.

Also, how do you know we didn't stick to the plan with Wade?

Garrett has Will McClay picking guys for him and that seems to be making more of a difference then when Wade was here and Garrett was personally requesting Felix Jones be the pick.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wait a minute...

So you guys really think Frederick and Martin were our first options?

Are you joking...?

We settled for those players because all of our main targets had been picked.

of course they weren't their first options. so let me educate you a little bit, so that may help you.

every team every draft evaluates players and ranks them and assigns them a draft grade for if they think they are a first round type player, 2nd, round, etc. every team also has needs to fill that they are aware of.

so cowboys do the same. usually they have 20-22 players ranked as a first round talent. btw, most teams are that way.

so after the first few picks, almost every team has to make a decision. do I keep my pick or move down and get more picks. depending on how each team ranked the players in that draft.

so cowboys having done so, picking 23rd and having Floyd available to them decided he is not a fit for their defense and what marinelli wants in a DL man, so they traded down. at 31, the player that was remaining and was rated highest on their board was Fredrick. so they picked him.

and tell me how this is any different for teams picking 25 and below. every team probably has targets that didn't get to them. but if you panic when a player you wanted doesn't fall to you and have no plan and having thought through, you probably will make the wrong choice.

so what you said above, is totally senseless, because its the fact in the NFL for all 32 teams. and you are using it to diminish the great things that garrett has accomplished because you are too thick headed to admit you are wrong, so you continue to make a fool of yourself, because you have dug in and you are not man enough to admit you are wrong. so minimally this board will have a fool to laugh at for a while. in the meantime we all enjoy the cowboys success while you stew in your anger of being wrong.

end of story.