Jason Garrett took the Rams job, because...

[stiletto]

I never said Garrett was horrible, nor did I say he was a complete failure.

I merely pointed out your ridiculous bias. Your basing Garrett's greatness on "potential", not past history, and you're giving him the excuse of injuries.

Were there not major injuries to some key players this season including Romo??

Yet, your denigrating Jones for being a total failure, while not giving him any credit for improving, which he has done.

How has he improved? Give me facts. I'm willing to not be biased but name the only common denominator the last 13 years since last winning a playoff game? It's not the coaches or players.

If Garrett does great, JJ will be the target of criticism, even though it was him who saw the potential in him first before anyone else apparently.

Are you sure about this?? I'm pretty sure others saw the potential since he was on the dolphins coaching staff FIRST and the Rams are the first to make him a head coach, not Jerry.

If he fails, no one will point out JJ as great for letting him go, but they will point out how he thought Garrett had all this "potential" and he was such an idiot for thinking he had some.

Sometimes, I think all the people who incessantly criticize JJ are the same people with different aliases.

Look, Like i said, I don't really care about Jason Garrett now. He's gone, so we can only continue to judge Jed for what happens to the Dallas Cowboys from here on out. Jerry's track record speaks for itself and I still do not see the change for the better you speak of. Call me "biased" if you want, I'll call it reality....

 

[SultanOfSix]

Were there not major injuries to some key players this season including Romo??

Yes, there was. In fact, I give Garrett the benefit of the doubt, because I think the offensive line was more problematic than his play calling. But, speaking from an honest perspective, there wasn't really anything that I can look back and say, "Wow Garrett called a great game" despite all of the injuries. In other words, I didn't see anything where coaching masked the deficiencies due to a lack of talent.

How has he improved? Give me facts. I'm willing to not be biased but name the only common denominator the last 13 years since last winning a playoff game? It's not the coaches or players.

He hired Parcells. He learned from him and implemented an organizational model for scouting and obtaining talent from him. He overrode BP and chose Ware over Merriman. His last several drafts have obtained quality talent. Those are just some of the positives.

Are you sure about this?? I'm pretty sure others saw the potential since he was on the dolphins coaching staff FIRST and the Rams are the first to make him a head coach, not Jerry.

Umm...I'm talking about him being promoted to be an OC when most people thought he wasn't ready (he was only a QB coach in Miami), bending over backwards to get him out of Miami, and making him the highest paid assistant in the league based on "potential" that he saw (and not past history) hoping that he would become the next head coach of the Cowboys.

And why are you talking about the Rams? It hasn't even happened yet.

Look, Like i said, I don't really care about Jason Garrett now. He's gone, so we can only continue to judge Jed for what happens to the Dallas Cowboys from here on out. Jerry's track record speaks for itself and I still do not see the change for the better you speak of. Call me "biased" if you want, I'll call it reality....

That's fine. JJ has had a bad track record in his early years, although it's hard to see how you can actually improve from 3 SBs in a six year span starting from scratch. But, I am willing enough to see that he has improved himself. I'm just saying this greatness or magic that Garrett has is all based on complete speculative imagination. I think he has potential, but I can't prevent him from choosing a head coaching job, and neither can JJ except for possibly firing Wade and making him it. I don't want to see him go and then turn some other team around, not because I don't want him to have success, but because that success could have been here. The future is an open possibility, and people can only make educated "guesses". But, either way, JJ is going to get criticized.

 

[MWILL]

Maybe he ran from a NO WIN situation to a situation where he is now the head dog. Seems smart to me. The guy isn't dumb. So what, he changed teams. Loyalty only goes so far and obviously there isn't much reciprocating back to Garrett from Jerry. I mean right now Jerry is choosing a 35 year old receiver who once defaced our Star for a loyal young coach with potential....sad if you ask me. I don't blame Garrett for bouncing. Sorry..

Man, you got to get over that.

 

[stiletto]

He hired Parcells. He learned from him and implemented an organizational model for scouting and obtaining talent from him. He overrode BP and chose Ware over Merriman. His last several drafts have obtained quality talent. Those are just some of the positives.

Bro, think about this... He hired parcells.. Yes, we all thought it was a good move at the time but then he became Jerry again. Remember he said "I want to have fun again." ?

He brought in TO, Pacman, Tank, and so forth. Hired Wade and for GODSSAKE, Campo is back in the house. He took a step up and two backwards if you ask me...look at the mess we're in. It's all Jerry. I would love to praise Jerry but it's really really hard to looking at it from a GM perspective. Him being a business man, making money and doing amazing things business and promotion wise. He get's an A++++ from me.

Umm...I'm talking about him being promoted to be an OC when most people thought he wasn't ready (he was only a QB coach in Miami), bending over backwards to get him out of Miami, and making him the highest paid assistant in the league based on "potential" that he saw (and not past history) hoping that he would become the next head coach of the Cowboys.

And why are you talking about the Rams? It hasn't even happened yet.

Hey. Jerry is a risk-taker, we all know that. Garrett was a cowboys player, there was at least some loyalty there. Im not saying Jerry didnt see the potential. Someone mentioned buyers remorse earlier, maybe there is some of that with Jerry and Garrett but Jerry is keeping Wade and letting Garrett walk...isn't it the opposite of what you'd probably do if you had to chose given Wade's past as a Head Coach??

That's fine. JJ has had a bad track record in his early years, although it's hard to see how you can actually improve from 3 SBs in a six year span starting from scratch.

Actually Jerry had an amazing track record his first few years. He actually had someone helping him make football decisions that knew what they were doing.. he grew resentful of that believing he could do it himself and really has been that way ever since. He has basically admitted that he was bothered the whole time giving power to BP. To me this is a problem. Jerry has proven to almost everyone but himself that he CAN'T do it. Jerry will get all the credit in the world from me when he gives power to his son and becomes the owner he should be. Right now, we are all just watching him play in his sandbox. Most of us miserably watching.....

 

[stiletto]

Man, you got to get over that.

Hey, it is what it is. Some will get over it because he's scored some TD's for us, for some it will take a little more loyalty. Like NOT wearing an Eagles colored shirt from American Eagle while bashing your current team's coaching staff for a primetime game interview all the while being a general SMACKTARDED BABY would be a good start..... but we've all been down this path before. LOL

 

[MWILL]

Hey, it is what it is. Some will get over it because he's scored some TD's for us, for some it will take a little more loyalty. Like NOT wearing an Eagles colored shirt from American Eagle while bashing your current team's coaching staff for a primetime game interview all the while being a general SMACKTARDED BABY would be a good start..... but we've all been down this path before. LOL

That's not why I'm over it.

I'm over it cause we beat the Philly twice during T.O.'s final (whole) season as a Eagle.

Roy Williams broke T.O.'s leg (horsecollar) causing him miss playing the game he loves the most. While he was out the team believed they can win without T.O. (causing friction between T.O. and McNabb). Finally, McChoke cost T.O. and the Eagles to lose the SB. And now he's playing for us.

Since then I called it even.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I don't know...taking over the St. Louis Rams and turning it around seems like a pretty big challenge to me.. <sigh>

The pressure to win in St. Louis does not even compare to the pressure to win in Dallas.

In Dallas, playoffs are EXPECTED and if you dont make the playoffs there better be a dam good reason, like half your starters on IR or something.

If Garrett goes 9-7 next year in St. Louis, everybody will be talking about what a great job he did turning the team around.

If Garrett stayed here in Dallas and went 9-7 next year, he would have been cruixified outside the new stadium and his head displayed as a warning to future OCs.

Just saying.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If he stayed around, and this thing imploded again this year, he couldn't get a job bagging groceries at Walmart.

Exactly!!!

If our offense imploded again in 09, Garrett's chance of getting even an interview for a HC job would have been slim and none.

Garrett knew that and apparently was not confident enough in himself as an OC to turn this offense around. He was scared he couldnt do it and would be screwed next year.

So Garrett bailed to a bottom feeder, not that difficult to figure out he didnt think he could get the job done as OC in 09.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I disagree.

I think Jason Garrett took the job because there are only 30 of them (less Detroit and Oakland) and this kind of exclutivity makes it very necessary to strike while the iron is hot.

I think it is extremely foolish to believe Jerry Jones didn't want Jason Garrett around. I believe alot of Jason Garrett's luster wore off but I think Jerry Jones still wanted Jason Garrett around out of loyalty and Jerry Jones wanting to be proven right. I also think Jerry Jones is extremely frightful that Jason Garrett will go on to have success much like Sean Peyton and Tony Sporano.

I hate to say it, but I bet the other part of it had to do with Terrell Owens.

The problem with this idea is that Garrett was offered much better jobs last year, especially the Ravens position, and turned down the offers last year.

If the argument is that HC jobs are rare and you have to jump when the iron is hot, they why did he turn down the jobs last year to stay on as OC.

And if he turned down the HC offers last year at better clubs, why is he now jumping ship to a bottom feeder???

Why leave this year to a bottom feeder when he turned down a HC job last year at a much better organization like the Ravens???

Something else is going on here guys.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Unfortunately, Bill Parcells ran from one too.

There comes a point where you see Jerry Jones and how he operates and undermines what you're trying to accomplish as a coach, and if you're smart and not desperate for another coaching job, you get out and go somewhere where you can thrive.

It's no wonder we've got Wade, and the Oakland Raiders can't land a decent coach. Jerry's becoming like Al Davis, but with a better disposition.

Coaches worth their salt know that if they're going to cook the food, they have to buy the groceries and have control of the kitchen.

Jerry aint letting anyone control the kitchen at Valley Ranch. So you either let him burn the food while you try to put out fires or you go somewhere where you have total control over the kitchen.

Watch Garrett work magic with the Rams.

The problem with this scenario is that Jerry is cooking 20 oz Porterhouse steaks (13 probowlers) and the Rams are serving P&Js.

So as a HC, I am going to go to the Rams where I can make my own P&Js or am I going to Dallas where Porterhouse steaks have already been prepard for me???

 

[bbgun]

Something else is going on here guys.

You know too much. Better have someone else start your car tomorrow.

 

[chinch]

nope.

going back to the cupcake 2009 circus, jason would be taking a HUGE RISK to never be asked to be HC again.

timing is everything.

he was NEVER gonna be HC here unless we won 1-2 superbowls and Wade's health declined suddenly where he had to step down. That is where "continuity" would have been more welcome.

If he took a pay-cut, I think Garrett realized he wasn't wanted within the organization, at least from the perspective of players... He pretty much had one year to wait to become the HC of the Cowboys, and he took the Rams job, if reports are true. TOs contract isn't that long either and it makes no sense he didn't wait it out. There isn't any other explanation. That is the only explanation that makes sense.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Jason Garrett WILL do well. I don't question it. Sure he had some problems this year but the guy has only been a OC for two seasons. He's not stupid, he's young and has potential. I could care less though now about him. He's gone, it's over. The problem is, we still have Jerry and he still does everything wrong. Wade is a proven failure in 2-3 other stints as a head coach. He has a failure track record. He fired Chan Gailey after two seasons....Chan Gailey wasn't a COMPLETE failure as a head coach. Wade is already proven to be that in other jobs as well as here. Jerry is an epic failure as a GM. period. Name me one GM that would've kept the job Jerry has (from the 1998-present time-frame) if he wasn't the owner given his track record?...can't do it...Jerry remains a bafoon.

I disagree with your assumption that any GM with Jerry's track record would have been fired from 1998-present.

Lets pretend I was the GM during that span and you are the owner thinking about making a change. So you are asking me why I think I should stay on as GM, basically you are asking me to defend my record. I would list the following.

• I inherited a team in 98 that had been raped by the league in free agency and most of the star players had retired.

• The team was in cap hell and thus the entire roster had to be purged, however I kept the team competitive with playoff apperances (twice under Gailey).

• I hired a really good HC in Parcells to install discipline on the team and to increase the talent base working with me.

• I have assembled a roster with 13 probowlers (NFL record) and all of them have been signed to long-term deals. My roster is also universally hailed as one of if not the most talented roster in the league.

• Overall, considering the mess of a team I inherited in 98 with cap hell, raveged by free agency, and star players from the SB teams retired, I have transformed that team into one of the most talented teams in the entire league with an NFL record # of probowl players all signed to long term contracts. I think as a GM I have done a good job over these last 10 yrs and I should be able to stay on and see if this group of players I assembled can become a championship group or not.

 

[chinch]

who created the cap hell?

:laugh2:

 

[jterrell]

I don't know...taking over the St. Louis Rams and turning it around seems like a pretty big challenge to me.. <sigh>

there is zero expectation.

that isn't a challenge. I could coach them to their 4 wins next year.

he took the first job he could get this year after seeing his stock fall.
last year he was the genius and this year he was a guy on lists.
another bad year as OC here and he'd be working at Denny's.


i wish him nothing but the best going forward except when we face him but i do prefer someone more battle-tested get the role now that it is vacant.

And i don't discount that in 5 years JG may end up our head coach. Not like these guys don't move around.