Jason Hatcher Rips Romo and Garrett

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  1. plasticman

    plasticman Well-Known Member

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    So who is Jason Hatcher? The dude couldn't get 5 sacks in a season until his contract is in the final year and it mushrooms to 11 and a Pro Bowl selection.

    He then proceeds to steal money from the Redskins (not a bad thing) with two seasons of less than six sacks.

    What would he know about leadership? I too am critical of Romo but when I hear an ex-teammate spout garbage it says more about that teammate.
     
  2. keysersoze

    keysersoze Well-Known Member

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    An opinion on Romo’s character as a leader. That’s what Hatcher has. And I believe him over you any day.
     
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  3. keysersoze

    keysersoze Well-Known Member

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    He knows more than you. That’s for sure.
     
  4. DandyDon52

    DandyDon52 Well-Known Member

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    Again your missing the whole point. lol
    Where did I say "Dak was some great leader" ??
    All I said was players wanted to play with him more than romo, not all but a majority of them.
    Romo was "aloof" and Dak was one of the guys. It was social more than performance.
     
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  5. uvaballa

    uvaballa Well-Known Member

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    Yeah sounds like Dak is hanging out with the players and Romo was doing his own thing. I have to believe Hatcher here. Romo may have done it and not known but it sounds like certain players were turned off by it.
     
  6. 408Cowboy

    408Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    But that goes against the narrative and "facts" that are thrown about repeatedly in this thread.
     
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  7. DandyDon52

    DandyDon52 Well-Known Member

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    yeah social skills can help a qb with his team.
    I think dak is just better at knowing how to handle the other players and get them to like him.
     
  8. Sarge

    Sarge Red, White and Brew... Staff Member

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    This isn't the first time we have heard this about Romo.
     
  9. Hook'em#11

    Hook'em#11 Well-Known Member

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    Complete Garbage. It's was a miracle that Romo even became a starter and lasted as one as long as he did.. Romo brought EVERYONE around him up and better. Hatcher's a moron.
     
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  10. Streetwise

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    It's weird that a back up helped Prescott out more than Romo did when he lost his start.
     
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  11. Super_Kazuya

    Super_Kazuya Well-Known Member

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    There is zero evidence of any of that. You’re just projecting your fantasies into real life. Go back to bed.
     
  12. Streetwise

    Streetwise Well-Known Member

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    Did you even pay attention to what Hatcher said?
     
  13. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    Jerry went ballistic in the locker room and threatened jobs and the Cowboys were already out of the play-off picture, they played a bunch of loser teams, so the defense played aggressively with no consequences and these teams were unfamiliar by then with what PP was doing.

    Interestingly, the onus was put on Wade for the lack of discipline, but it was Garrett that called the pass to Choice which caused the fumble and offensive penalties that called back TD to Austin for sixty plus yards and special teams penalty on a Dez TD return against the Vikings.

    It was Garrett that completely controlled the offense and Wade had no say.

    This team was flagged 11 times in the first five games.

    The whole set-up was a joke and Garrett has HC in full control of the offense continued with the penalties.
     
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  14. khiladi

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    It’s a ridiculous claim and a rewriting of the historical narrative.

    First of all, Hatcher wasn’t even here with Dak, so he has no clue. And the roster itself has had so much turnover since then, the claim these players would rather play with Romo than Dak is absurd, because there are few that played with both on this team.

    Second, we all know how this team reacted when Romo got injured. Romo breathed life and excitement into this team when Parcells looked decimated and the team was expecting him to save the season in 2015.

    Third, Butler himself said when he first got to Dallas he saw Romo having to do everything and the coaches were clueless and he had never seen a set-up like that before.

    Fourth, pre-Cooper Dak was looking like a joke and most of the WR core was saying they were wide-open and not being thrown the ball and Dak was a laughing stock.
     
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  15. mattjames2010

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    Citation needed for first paragraph.

    Wade was the HC, discipline was on him.

    Wade's defense also gave up.

    *yawn* - both Garrett and Wade sucked, that doesn't make it a conspiracy. Which is the claim made by Hatcher.
     
  16. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    Hatcher’s interpretations decade after the fact are clearly exaggerated.

    https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/201...eup-has-Dallas-Cowboys-excited/6731464265128/


    Romo himself admitted in his first years here he shied away from being a ‘leader’.

    http://www.espn.co.uk/dallas/nfl/st...-qb-tony-romo-become-team-unquestioned-leader

     
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  17. khiladi

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    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/10/20/jerry-jones-gives-tongue-lashing-to-team/

    This was going on all of Wade’s tenure, including the year after they went 13-3 that the ‘team quit’ on Wade. That narrative was being drawn for years during the Wade tenure.

    The Dallas media was pushing the agenda of Wade not being safe for years while trying to sugar-coat Garrett as the chosen one and the guy who would bring discipline and accountability to Dallas.

    This was 2008, in Wade’s second year of coaching and the story was the same.
     
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  18. mattjames2010

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    That's not what I asked for. I asked for a citation that happened after Wade was fired. I don't care what the media was doing or who they favored, I am asking you to back up what Hatcher said about "sabotage"

    What I have

    - Wade admitting he was a lousy coach (I gave a citation)
    - Video evidence on game day with lack of effort from defense (provided video link)
    - Nobody in this thread posting anything relevant outside of speculation and "read between the lines"

    I'm not a Garrett fan, I'm not defending Garrett as a coach or how he has performed from 2010 to 2018. I am simply asking those, who are buying into Hatcher's claims, to provide a single ounce of hard evidence that Garrett had some masterplan to get Wade out of here.
     
  19. mattjames2010

    mattjames2010 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like Romo hung around more high character guys - the only knucklehead I remember him hanging around off the field was Dez Bryant.

    The rest of these dudes have mugshots or have gone on to be dopes who give stupid soundbites and get mocked. Maybe Romo had a good reason to avoid them?

    Maybe we should ask Sam Hurd his thoughts as well?
     
  20. khiladi

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    1. Wade’s personality is like that. He also tweeted a few years back his record in contrast to Garrett as a point of sarcasm. Wade clearly doesn’t think he can’t HC and always felt he never got honest opportunities. He’s multiple times made his feelings known and quoted his overall HC record on support of that fact.

    2. Patrick Crayton on 2010 said Wade has absolutely nothing to do with the offense. Hatcher basically said what Holley and Crayton said years ago that Garrett sabotaged Wade and they argued it was based on a ‘new play book’. Obviously if you look at it, they actually made a concerted effort to run the ball, which is what Wade was actually saying they needed to do, but was constantly ignored. People may argue they they ran the ball more because of Kitna, but in Kitna’s first game and that led to the firing of Wade they threw 30 times and the Dalla three back rushing attack only attempted 14 rushes the whole game for like 30 yards.

    Also Hatcher is clearly re-writing a narrative in part, because even Crayton, Brooking and Newman all said Wade never cracked heads. So his claim Garrett sabotaged them based on harder practices is bogus. This idea they became tired Because of practices being much harder doesn’t jive with what players that were pro-Wade were saying in 2010.

    Hatcher wouldn’t have known about the playbook, because he was part of the defense, so he’s clearly mixing up issues on his head.

    3. Wade’s autobiography slams Garrett in reality and he speaks about how Wade to work under pressure of being fired, when he was 9-7 and also how Jerry wouldn’t offer him an extension when he went 33-15, won a play-off game and were coming off an 11-5 year.

    4. He also brought up the fact that Jerry gave Garrett a raise during this time and was making more than him and even days flat out in his biography thatJerry himself said that Jerry told him after the 9-7 season maybe he should have let Garrett take the Ravens offer after the OFFENSE struggled, meaning Jerry knew their were problems with Garrett as an offensive coach. He even came out years later and said he was a “head coach in training”.

    5. Wade brought up the Redskins game and Garrett’s incompetence while the defense didn’t allow a single TD. They even hit a ten yard holding penalty before the fumble on offense, meaning the offense was blowing games. And of course the defense gave up, because the offense was turning the ball over and losing games that the defense won. The OFFENSE COMITTED 19 TOs by the time Wade got fired. The defense generated 5 TOs against the Giants and the Cowboys still lost.

    The last two games that were blowouts were because the Dallas offense committed 8 TOs in a span of two games. The GB game was the final straw, because they lost Romo the game prior.

    6. And even then, like I said, the defense didn’t even do anything much after Wade was fired anyways. They were still giving up points like crazy, had multiple games where they gave up over thirty plus points and the only difference was the TO ratio, like I said. The offense still gave the ball up, but made a more concerted effort to run the ball and Dallas basically just beat teams that were already out of the play-off rave and sucked.
     
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