Javonte or Pickens?

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Who is going to pay him more than T Higgins money? The guy could have been had by 30 other teams for a 3rd round pick and they all passed. 71 yards per game so far, and that could realistically go down once Lamb comes back and if the defense doesn't force us to into shootouts half the time. I just can't see anyone giving him #1 money after the low interest he had just a few months ago with his numbers being pretty much on par with what he did in Pittsburgh.

Exactly.

Pickens has been great for Dallas, but I think we are all overrating his value on the open market because it has been so long since we had a second legit wide receiver here that our point of reference is completely out of whack.

It's not like the guy is going over 100 yards every week.

Pickens will be worth no more than what Higgins got. I would fight to keep him, because the impact of having a second legit wide out is massive in the modern NFL.

 

[blueblood70]

I don't fault Pickens trying to make the most money he can.

NFL player careers are short and can end at any time so the only security they have is the money they already received and the contract they have when the injury happens.

He could have pulled a Parsons and threatened to hold out but he showed up and had done the job.

Sure, he's focused on showcasing his skills (I would be too in his place) but in the end, helping the Cowboys win helps his next contract value so the goals of both the team and the player are aligned.

Now, that said .. if he wants Lamb type of money and a team out there is willing to pay it, then wish him well and start looking for another #2 receiver from within, the draft or free agency.

Right now, the only thing that matters with Pickens is whether he plays hard, helps the Cowboys win and keeps the drama out of his game.

I didn't say I faulted him i'm saying the reality here is don't expect him to stay but don't blame Jerry because the guys going to want so much money but he also wants the glory he wants to be a number one that is a big deal for some of these guys go ask A.J. Brown and devante smith how's that working out over there. I was Surprised T higgins didn't want out of Cincinnati, I was shocked that he stayed he fired David for this very reason, and guess who is representing George?

Right, so the agent is going to be pushing for his client to get the biggest money possible and that's usually means he needs to be number one..

I never said I'm blaming Pickens for using the Cowboys, i'm just saying it's a reality now to not bother Arguing and blaming Jerry when he leaves here.

Because we will use whatever draft capital, we get from him and the money we won't have to pay him and might be able to package it with another pick and we will get a high drafted WR under a rookie deal...

I know this is actually a priority for the Cowboys you know why I know their number one guy on their board last year was Tetorio Mcmillan which we get to TET This coming week, he was gone that's why they had the two other options to pick from they went with Booker but they were going after him he was their top pick....

The Cowboys have no problem making their first-round pick whether it's their higher one or their lower 1, a wide receiver,

It might be their choice too to not have to pay George Pickens but use Answer the draft capital you can use in a trade by franchise tagging him or you get a high compact one way or the other the Cowboys will come out fine on a 1 year rental with him.. It would be better for the team to have a rookie You develop under a rookie contract Instead of paying thirty million dollars for your number two wide receiver...

 

[aikemirv]

It better be both. That’s why we left Parsons go.

Defense is the problem. Pair CD with Flourney, Turpin and Tolbert and a draft choice and spend your money elsewhere IMO. With our Oline giving good protection you don't need a 2nd #1 WR to have open guys. You have enough weapons on offense with these guys and spending the 20 mill that Pickens is going to ask on defense is the better team option!

 

[rambo2]

If we can only bring one back next year?
Who would you pick?

They can sign both.

 

[CATCH17]

Pickens..

RBs are easy to find.

 

[Tommy]

Pickens..

RBs are easy to find.

I don’t think what Javonte is doing is easy to find. I think he is opening up the passing game like we haven’t seen since a young Zeke.

 

[blueblood70]

I can appreciate that position but I think we all know that the prices will only go up the longer we wait.

The Joneses have certainly shown us that.

You guys always do this and I promise you George Pickens wouldn't sign a deal right now if you threw one at him He is waiting to see how really good a season he has so he can market himself to other teams his agent is doing this not Jerry jerry cannot sign everyone early because the agent and the players have more control over that they came here to use the Dallas Cowboys to raise their value they're showcasing his skills to the rest of the league right now..

Why In the world would they sign the deal now when they can get offers from other teams to be the number one guy for a big bag they have negotiating rights if they make it to the end of this season.

Has been a false narrative for a lot of years the agents are not stupid especially Lamb he already admitted his agent was waiting either for Chase or Jefferson to sign and that's what took so long Parsons was waiting for Miles Garrett and some of the others to sign before he was even going to ever sign a thing here that's how it goes they're not going to purposely sign a lesser deal..

Know why they have representation right so they don't get screwed signing a less than market deal early to help the team is not what's in the best interest of most of these greedy players and agents they're looking for the most money shortest years most guarantees they're not getting that because most owners want a longer term deal That was the biggest hold up with the Parsons deal it wasn't just about the money they were never going to sign a 5 year deal even if it was around two hundred and five million or whatever it was rumored to be.

On another bite at the apple sooner if you would have got Prescott in 2020 or whatever it was he would have wanted a three year deal he wasn't going to sign ahead of time he bet on himself purposely he put all this extra stuff in his contract he had intentions of doing the very thing that happened he was going to let Jerry make him wait so that way he can maximize his money and he did he got the franchise tag clause put in there the no trade clause this is what Agents do for you they don't allow you to sign early...

I know you think that but not all players are like Tyron Smith or Tyler Smith or Trayvon Diggs A lot of stuff got done early or on time in years past and this year they signed an awful lot of players those you want to sweep under the rug but that doesn't mean every agent every player is going to do the same thing they all have different agendas but George Pickens does not have one of those team friendly agendas I keep hearing the words maximizing my value by showcasing my talent with Dallas..

Said that at least three times in the last three interviews that tells me what he's really looking for is number one money and that is not on Jerry to pay him that kind of money to be a WR2..

These are facts that you want to leave out because you don't like Jerry and it's understandable jerry's annoying he says stuff that nobody wants to hear he makes up stuff but in the end most of these late contracts were purposely done by the agents and the players they had reasons to do it to maximize money don't tell me that money wasn't one of their main concerns.

We're waiting on the markets to be reset so they can reset the market it's as simple as that if you believe otherwise and you tell me I'm delusional I'm gonna tell you the same thing if you believe the agents and players didn't have their best interests in mind meaning waiting Then I'm gonna tell you you're wrong too...

 

[thunderpimp91]

So let me get this straight you think George Pickens has high value he's a great wide receiver but you don't think he'll get paid like a number one ride receiver somewhere number one wide receivers make more than number two how do you know what his value is somehow Parsons was able to up his value about 5 1/2 million more than he deserved he's got an agent that can do it they're using Dallas to do it....

Yes I believe he can get more guaranteed money but also be the guy did you not hear that part 'cause you somehow go blank he wants to be the guy he has an ego he wants to be the number one wide receiver and he's not going to do that here...

Courses in a contract year using the Cowboys who he's gonna be on his best behavior but once it's over and he has control to try to leave here all bets are off he will push him to get his way out of here with his wonderful agent that we already dealt with and I don't even acknowledge he exists...

No I don't think he gets paid better than Higgins who you mentioned. Higgins is the #11 WR per AAV this year at $28M. To me that seems to be about the ceiling for a guy like Pickens who I just can't see getting into the top 10 of WRs after no one wanted to better the Cowboys trade offer just a few months ago. I'm not sure what has really changed from the time Pickens was traded to now where some team wants to pay Pickens top of the market money. His numbers are right in line with his 2024 production, maybe even slightly less depending what metrics you take into consideration.

Micah Parsons got the big AAV headline, but the $47M number isn't a big deal. His guaranteed money is still right in line with the other top guys at his position. His contract is sort of structured similarly to what the Dolphins did with Tyreek Hill after they traded for him. He signed a 4 year / $30M per year deal with them, then renegotiated just a year into the extension for another 3/$30 per extension. Now they are likely to cut him after this season and in no year will Hill have cost Miami $30M or more against the cap. The guaranteed money and the number of years are both significantly more important in evaluating contracts than the AAV is.

 

[Reality]

I didn't say I faulted him i'm saying the reality here is don't expect him to stay but don't blame Jerry because the guys going to want so much money but he also wants the glory he wants to be a number one that is a big deal for some of these guys go ask A.J. Brown and devante smith how's that working out over there. I was Surprised T higgins didn't want out of Cincinnati, I was shocked that he stayed he fired David for this very reason, and guess who is representing George?

Right, so the agent is going to be pushing for his client to get the biggest money possible and that's usually means he needs to be number one..

I never said I'm blaming Pickens for using the Cowboys, i'm just saying it's a reality now to not bother Arguing and blaming Jerry when he leaves here.

Because we will use whatever draft capital, we get from him and the money we won't have to pay him and might be able to package it with another pick and we will get a high drafted WR under a rookie deal...

I know this is actually a priority for the Cowboys you know why I know their number one guy on their board last year was Tetorio Mcmillan which we get to TET This coming week, he was gone that's why they had the two other options to pick from they went with Booker but they were going after him he was their top pick....

The Cowboys have no problem making their first-round pick whether it's their higher one or their lower 1, a wide receiver,

It might be their choice too to not have to pay George Pickens but use Answer the draft capital you can use in a trade by franchise tagging him or you get a high compact one way or the other the Cowboys will come out fine on a 1 year rental with him.. It would be better for the team to have a rookie You develop under a rookie contract Instead of paying thirty million dollars for your number two wide receiver...

In a perfect world, you would always get your starters from the draft. The problem is going to come down how they spend those #1 picks.

Usually, when a team stockpiles #1 picks it is to grab a high first round quarterback. However, with how Dak is playing, the Cowboys pay at least use the 2026 #1 pick from Green Bay on a would-be starter.

It's going to come down though to who is available (not a discussion for this thread or this forum as the Draft Zone is for that).

As I said in my first post though, I wouldn't re-sign either right now. Not sure if you missed that as you seem to be more focused on Pickens at the moment.

I would never make mid-season decisions on any player. Too many times you see a player dominating the league the first half only to disappear the second half.

At this point, there are too many question marks to commit to re-signing either of them.

At the end of the season, the Cowboys will have a better idea of what they have.

If Pickens has a great year, continues to play like he has in Lamb's absence, causes little to no drama and is not expecting Lamb money, then I can see the Cowboys making him a reasonable offer.

That's a lot of checkboxes though and the season is only through 5 games, so a lot can change between now and next season.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Pickens is a much more rare talent. Downfield threats at WR are hard to find, and they earn lots of money.

I like what Javonte's doing, but power backs are like the easiest dudes to find in pro football.

 

[blueblood70]

Exactly.

Pickens has been great for Dallas, but I think we are all overrating his value on the open market because it has been so long since we had a second legit wide receiver here that our point of reference is completely out of whack.

It's not like the guy is going over 100 yards every week.

Pickens will be worth no more than what Higgins got. I would fight to keep him, because the impact of having a second legit wide out is massive in the modern NFL.

Correct but it hasn't CD lamb missed two games now and we've been functioning with just one wide receiver but it's because of the run game and the offensive line that that should tell you all you need to know you rather franchise tag George Pickens let him go where he wants maximize the value you get for him and use that and get a rookie to be your WR2 you can get a high drop pick with all the draft picks we have and what we're gonna get with George Pickens leaving I'd rather have a rookie wide receiver under a rookie deal if George Pickens and his agent play hardball I don't even want to be bothered with it.

Isn't that what we've been seeing the last couple of weeks we won yesterday with George Pickens as the only primary wide receiver missing turpin and lamb and still had a nice day.... Yes it's nice to have both But most of these guys want number one money and they want to be the number one guy and I don't see George Pickens hanging around here anyway that's not his intentions I doubt he's staying i've already made up my mind he won't be here next year and it won't be Jerry's fault it's just going to be what he wants We already have that guy and CD lamb.

This has been because of the offensive line in the run game the play action passes are working Our tight end is very efficient so it is very nice to have both of these guys but if this showed you anything the last couple of weeks is when you have that run game the offensive line and the tight end and the quarterback like Prescott under center more now because the play action You don't need two number ones on your team or you're gonna end up with the same issue that the Philadelphia Eagles are starting to go through with AJ Brown and Devante Smith yelling and screaming about their lack of use...

 

[Tabascocat]

Pickens(and his agent) will be priced out of Dallas for the next contract. You can’t pay two WR’s elite money and expect to field a competent defense. Well, you could but not with those two bozos trying to figure out the cap.

 

[Reality]

I can appreciate that position but I think we all know that the prices will only go up the longer we wait.

The Joneses have certainly shown us that.

The prices go up but that still doesn't change the fact I don't think you make offers to first year players with you 5 games into the season.

It's one thing to have a player play 3 years for you and show they make your team better and are worth the investment a new contract brings.

It's another to gamble on a first year player after 5 games.

The price increase between waiting mid-season to end-of-season is like insurance .. you hate paying for it, but if you need to use it, you're very glad you have it.

 

[blueblood70]

In a perfect world, you would always get your starters from the draft. The problem is going to come down how they spend those #1 picks.

Usually, when a team stockpiles #1 picks it is to grab a high first round quarterback. However, with how Dak is playing, the Cowboys pay at least use the 2026 #1 pick from Green Bay on a would-be starter.

It's going to come down though to who is available (not a discussion for this thread or this forum as the Draft Zone is for that).

As I said in my first post though, I wouldn't re-sign either right now. Not sure if you missed that as you seem to be more focused on Pickens at the moment.

I would never make mid-season decisions on any player. Too many times you see a player dominating the league the first half only to disappear the second half.

At this point, there are too many question marks to commit to re-signing either of them.

At the end of the season, the Cowboys will have a better idea of what they have.

If Pickens has a great year, continues to play like he has in Lamb's absence, causes little to no drama and is not expecting Lamb money, then I can see the Cowboys making him a reasonable offer.

That's a lot of checkboxes though and the season is only through 5 games, so a lot can change between now and next season.

I thought we've already been through this most of those picks that would be number one is so late in a draft from the Packers it's like a number two you package that one with like a number three or Something in that area four and then you move up and go get your wide receiver.... I fully get what you're saying but you also don't need that the Cowboys were picking at 12 and they were gonna get TET there's plenty of really good wide receivers in these drafts lately and there's more coming that means wherever the Cowboys pick middle of the draft they were willing to take one last year they'll take one this year..

I just don't see the difference if you're gonna get good draft picks for George Pickens and you saving the money on your cap you have the ability to package pics whether it's the first rounders or not you can find a way to get one of the top receivers in this draft coming up.

All kinds of ways to utilize it but I'm saying it's not paramount to overpay George Pickens I'm not giving him number one money i'm not paying him like Washington paid their number one you think we should pay that for a number two? That's not fiscal responsibility LOL that's right I just threw out the big word my head hurts and I'm leaving the screen for the rest of the day you guys can argue about this but I don't think George Pickens wants to be here next year that's what I'm getting from his words and I know this agent we've already went through this....

 

[John813]

Unless JaVonte pulls a Demarco Murray, I can't see his next deal being over 8-10mil range.
Pickens, if he keeps this up, could very well crack the 30mil AAV.
Of course contracts will be designed to be base salary+bonuses to lower the first few years of the extension.

I think Jerry will at the worst tag Pickens through next year. Don't think he lets Pickens walk for a 27 3rd comp.

Would say the easier of the two to re-sign would be Williams

 

[blueblood70]

In a perfect world, you would always get your starters from the draft. The problem is going to come down how they spend those #1 picks.

Usually, when a team stockpiles #1 picks it is to grab a high first round quarterback. However, with how Dak is playing, the Cowboys pay at least use the 2026 #1 pick from Green Bay on a would-be starter.

It's going to come down though to who is available (not a discussion for this thread or this forum as the Draft Zone is for that).

As I said in my first post though, I wouldn't re-sign either right now. Not sure if you missed that as you seem to be more focused on Pickens at the moment.

I would never make mid-season decisions on any player. Too many times you see a player dominating the league the first half only to disappear the second half.

At this point, there are too many question marks to commit to re-signing either of them.

At the end of the season, the Cowboys will have a better idea of what they have.

If Pickens has a great year, continues to play like he has in Lamb's absence, causes little to no drama and is not expecting Lamb money, then I can see the Cowboys making him a reasonable offer.

That's a lot of checkboxes though and the season is only through 5 games, so a lot can change between now and next season.

Agree with all that but making a reasonable offer doesn't keep a player who wants unreasonable money.. To leave it right there

 

[stinkface]

Javonte easily. Way more impactful.

You can't pay two receivers top money.

Look at Cincinnati. Pay 2 guys and a QB. No running back talent and an injured QB and the season is over.

 

[blueblood70]

Unless JaVonte pulls a Demarco Murray, I can't see his next deal being over 8-10mil range.
Pickens, if he keeps this up, could very well crack the 30mil AAV.
Of course contracts will be designed to be base salary+bonuses to lower the first few years of the extension.

I think Jerry will at the worst tag Pickens through next year. Don't think he lets Pickens walk for a 27 3rd comp.

Would say the easier of the two to re-sign would be Williams

There's no way in hell I'm paying this guy who had an injury laden and last couple years been nothing but a Jag with injury history 8M is the cap.. It start around 6 million If he pushes it to 8 then just go ahead and give him three years $24 million and reasonable guarantees and I do that...

No but you can have both you can franchise tag him and tell him in the meeting that you're not going to try to hold him here But then seek trades and you want to control the narrative on getting the best trade value you can for the guy and then you let him walk now you have a better draft pick...

 

[Reality]

I thought we've already been through this most of those picks that would be number one is so late in a draft from the Packers it's like a number two you package that one with like a number three or Something in that area four and then you move up and go get your wide receiver.... I fully get what you're saying but you also don't need that the Cowboys were picking at 12 and they were gonna get TET there's plenty of really good wide receivers in these drafts lately and there's more coming that means wherever the Cowboys pick middle of the draft they were willing to take one last year they'll take one this year..

I just don't see the difference if you're gonna get good draft picks for George Pickens and you saving the money on your cap you have the ability to package pics whether it's the first rounders or not you can find a way to get one of the top receivers in this draft coming up.

All kinds of ways to utilize it but I'm saying it's not paramount to overpay George Pickens I'm not giving him number one money i'm not paying him like Washington paid their number one you think we should pay that for a number two? That's not fiscal responsibility LOL that's right I just threw out the big word my head hurts and I'm leaving the screen for the rest of the day you guys can argue about this but I don't think George Pickens wants to be here next year that's what I'm getting from his words and I know this agent we've already went through this....

If anything, the agent is going to go out of his way to handle things differently with Pickens should the Cowboys show interest.

The perception of the agent was brought into question by the he-said-he-said comments floating around so I don't expect another Parsons-like situation with Pickens .. again, assuming the Cowboys are interested in the first place.

I think fans get too caught up in the emotional side of agent-vs-team-negotiation tactics. In the business world, no one cares what you called someone yesterday if you can get a deal done today that makes you money or improves your organization.

I'm not a Pickens fan or hater though. He makes the team better, but he's not a top NFL receiver. If he wants a huge contract, I have no problem looking elsewhere.

 

[blueblood70]

The prices go up but that still doesn't change the fact I don't think you make offers to first year players with you 5 games into the season.

It's one thing to have a player play 3 years for you and show they make your team better and are worth the investment a new contract brings.

It's another to gamble on a first year player after 5 games.

The price increase between waiting mid-season to end-of-season is like insurance .. you hate paying for it, but if you need to use it, you're very glad you have it.