Javonte or Pickens?

[thunderpimp91]

I'm not giving him number one money i'm not paying him like Washington paid their number one you think we should pay that for a number two? That's not fiscal responsibility LOL

BB the thing is Terry McLaurin's contract isnt bad at all....again we have to get past just looking at the annual average and look at the entire situation. Two years of very reasonable cap hits ($17m, $18M) then you have the option to cut him if you want before his cap number explodes. For a lot of these guys it seems to be more about getting recognized as a top player at their position rather than getting every penny they can squeeze out of a deal. McLaurin with Washington is the #6 contract average in the league at WR right now, but its unlikely he is around to see half that money. He basically signed a glamorous 1 year extension.

 

[DuncanIso]

If we can only bring one back next year?
Who would you pick?

gonna be tough to keep either.

but JWill is making us all believe.

 

[Stash]

You guys always do this and I promise you George Pickens wouldn't sign a deal right now if you threw one at him He is waiting to see how really good a season he has so he can market himself to other teams his agent is doing this not Jerry jerry cannot sign everyone early because the agent and the players have more control over that they came here to use the Dallas Cowboys to raise their value they're showcasing his skills to the rest of the league right now..

Why In the world would they sign the deal now when they can get offers from other teams to be the number one guy for a big bag they have negotiating rights if they make it to the end of this season.

Has been a false narrative for a lot of years the agents are not stupid especially Lamb he already admitted his agent was waiting either for Chase or Jefferson to sign and that's what took so long Parsons was waiting for Miles Garrett and some of the others to sign before he was even going to ever sign a thing here that's how it goes they're not going to purposely sign a lesser deal..

Know why they have representation right so they don't get screwed signing a less than market deal early to help the team is not what's in the best interest of most of these greedy players and agents they're looking for the most money shortest years most guarantees they're not getting that because most owners want a longer term deal That was the biggest hold up with the Parsons deal it wasn't just about the money they were never going to sign a 5 year deal even if it was around two hundred and five million or whatever it was rumored to be.

On another bite at the apple sooner if you would have got Prescott in 2020 or whatever it was he would have wanted a three year deal he wasn't going to sign ahead of time he bet on himself purposely he put all this extra stuff in his contract he had intentions of doing the very thing that happened he was going to let Jerry make him wait so that way he can maximize his money and he did he got the franchise tag clause put in there the no trade clause this is what Agents do for you they don't allow you to sign early...

I know you think that but not all players are like Tyron Smith or Tyler Smith or Trayvon Diggs A lot of stuff got done early or on time in years past and this year they signed an awful lot of players those you want to sweep under the rug but that doesn't mean every agent every player is going to do the same thing they all have different agendas but George Pickens does not have one of those team friendly agendas I keep hearing the words maximizing my value by showcasing my talent with Dallas..

Said that at least three times in the last three interviews that tells me what he's really looking for is number one money and that is not on Jerry to pay him that kind of money to be a WR2..

These are facts that you want to leave out because you don't like Jerry and it's understandable jerry's annoying he says stuff that nobody wants to hear he makes up stuff but in the end most of these late contracts were purposely done by the agents and the players they had reasons to do it to maximize money don't tell me that money wasn't one of their main concerns.

We're waiting on the markets to be reset so they can reset the market it's as simple as that if you believe otherwise and you tell me I'm delusional I'm gonna tell you the same thing if you believe the agents and players didn't have their best interests in mind meaning waiting Then I'm gonna tell you you're wrong too...

You really need to reign in your emotions.

It’s just a conversation.

As for why they could sign a deal now?

Ask Javonte Williams.

The NFL is a violent game and every snap might be your last.

Williams’ injury nearly ended his career.

During the season, the risk of injury is on the player.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

[calicowboy54]

If we can only bring one back next year?
Who would you pick?

oh man this is a tough one. Watching JW picking correct hole and using power and speed to keep chains moving is beautiful. GP as much as i love him he can be taken out of equation but man when he's on he's on and unstopable.

id like to bring Javote back on a 3 year deal he's 25 and draft someone and see what blue looks like in 3 years.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Zero reason Dallas can't keep both. Pickens will likely cost about what Jameson Williams and Tee Higgins got; which Dallas can manage. Williams has certainly outplayed his $3 million deal so far but realistically the Cowboys could probably get him back on a deal worth about $7 to $8 million annually.

 

[Stash]

The prices go up but that still doesn't change the fact I don't think you make offers to first year players with you 5 games into the season.

It's one thing to have a player play 3 years for you and show they make your team better and are worth the investment a new contract brings.

It's another to gamble on a first year player after 5 games.

The price increase between waiting mid-season to end-of-season is like insurance .. you hate paying for it, but if you need to use it, you're very glad you have it.

Both of these players do have a history in the league. Neither one is a rookie, so I think you know what you’re getting.

If making a deal now gets me a bargain, I’m considering it.

Of course, it depends on how much of a bargain I get.

 

[Stak78]

oh man this is a tough one. Watching JW picking correct hole and using power and speed to keep chains moving is beautiful. GP as much as i love him he can be taken out of equation but man when he's on he's on and unstopable.

id like to bring Javote back on a 3 year deal he's 25 and draft someone and see what blue looks like in 3 years.

While I agree that the running back makes the biggest impact. They also fall off rather quickly and unexpectedly from one year to the next. With only a few exceptions withstanding. Pickens is a special talent that is harder to find than a bruising running back. I say sign Javonte to a 3 year deal and franchise Pickens if his agent won’t budge. We have to keep this offensive group together for at least one more year.

 

[Reality]

Both of these players do have a history in the league. Neither one is a rookie, so I think you know what you’re getting.

If making a deal now gets me a bargain, I’m considering it.

Of course, it depends on how much of a bargain I get.

If that is the only crtieria, then right now based on what I saw last year in Pittsburgh, I wouldn't give Pickens a contract at all because of how he acted with that team.

I was okay with trading a pick for a one year rental to fix a weakness because there was no long term commitment.

So, if you truly believe you make a decision now, the smart decision is let him play out the season and look elsewhere.

Now, if he plays out the season, plays well and keeps the drama down and the Cowboys and his agent can reach a deal both sides are happy with after the season, then great.

That's still a lot of checkboxes though.

As for Javonte, I clearly explained the logic behind my opinions in a previous post as to why I would not re-sign him right now.

My stance is unchanged .. no way I offer either of these players new contracts until after the 2025 season.

If they get better deals somewhere else, so be it.

While I like what I see from both of them so far, neither of those players are best-in-league so there is no urgency or FOMO there.

 

[Stash]

If that is the only crtieria, then right now based on what I saw last year in Pittsburgh, I wouldn't give Pickens a contract at all because of how he acted with that team.

I was okay with trading a pick for a one year rental to fix a weakness because there was no long term commitment.

So, if you truly believe you make a decision now, the smart decision is let him play out the season and look elsewhere.

Now, if he plays out the season, plays well and keeps the drama down and the Cowboys and his agent can reach a deal both sides are happy with after the season, then great.

That's still a lot of checkboxes though.

As for Javonte, I clearly explained the logic behind my opinions in a previous post as to why I would not re-sign him right now.

My stance is unchanged .. no way I offer either of these players new contracts until after the 2025 season.

If they get better deals somewhere else, so be it.

While I like what I see from both of them so far, neither of those players are best-in-league so there is no urgency or FOMO there.

Sounds like we agree to disagree on this one.

 

[mmohican29]

If we can only bring one back next year?
Who would you pick?

Honestly?

Javonte.

He will be less expensive. And Ryan Flournoy is a legit stud with all kinds of ability himself. He can be a #2. No question.

Ideally- I'd aim to keep both.

 

[erod]

They should extend Javonte right now.

I love the way he runs. He takes two-yard gains and turns them into 8-yard first down runs.

 

[erod]

They should extend Javonte right now.

I love the way he runs. He takes two-yard gains and turn them into 8-yard first down runs.

Multiple times per game.

 

[mmohican29]

Zero reason Dallas can't keep both. Pickens will likely cost about what Jameson Williams and Tee Higgins got; which Dallas can manage. Williams has certainly outplayed his $3 million deal so far but realistically the Cowboys could probably get him back on a deal worth about $7 to $8 million annually.

I agree. I think Javonte has found a home. I think he likes it here, he's producing and is getting the "quan".

He has become an instant fan favorite. Mind you: that Fandom is the largest of all professional sports. There's value there.

He had a bad injury, was pushed off a roster already and knows what is @ risk. He will sign.

GP3? I think his preference would be to stay here as well. But he is a mercurial personality. I think he has a mercenary bone to battle. He will be trickier: but in the end I think he stays in Dallas.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

Would you resign pick end for 30 plus million? He's about 24. 6'3 200 4.48 speed. Or would you let him walk and use that money for defense since flournoys locked up for about two more years? 6'1 200 pounds. 4.44 speed. 39.5 inch vertical with more route upside but 26 years old this year?

 

[fivetwos]

Williams also won't command top money. You can probably have him for $5-$8 mil a year.

I'd sign him to 3 years at $24 million in a heart beat. He's only 25 years old.

I won’t go arguing that. Injury aside, he should rush for about 1200 and a bunch of TDs. Part of the passing game also.

Two things…..he has only done it once since the injury, and also who else is willing to give him more than Dallas? They may. Impossible to know in October

He has looked great though. Hits the hole quickly and makes runs of like 12-20 yards that we haven’t seen in a while.

 

[Acceptablename]

I can't get the Dinero out of my head. So I take Javonte and I guess use the bottom 1st. to be the 2nd WR although Flournoy may have something to add to this story before the end of the seayson is finished

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

If we can only bring one back next year?
Who would you pick?

Javontes style says he won't be in his prime long. I wouldn't pay more than 7 million a year. I think blue can be better. We should study j Charles to see how to use him.

 

[Havic]

Both.

Pickens is more risky because of his behavior. Running backs with a physical style usually don’t last long like Williams.

 

[Bigrandrn]

Javonte easily. Way more impactful.

You can't pay two receivers top money.

What if it was more like Higgins, like a decent chunk below top money?

 

[calicowboy54]

While I agree that the running back makes the biggest impact. They also fall off rather quickly and unexpectedly from one year to the next. With only a few exceptions withstanding. Pickens is a special talent that is harder to find than a bruising running back. I say sign Javonte to a 3 year deal and franchise Pickens if his agent won’t budge. We have to keep this offensive group together for at least one more year.

yeah i like that idea. when javonte is done blue or someone else will be ready.