Javonte or Pickens?

[calicowboy54]

They should extend Javonte right now.

I love the way he runs. He takes two-yard gains and turn them into 8-yard first down runs.

Multiple times per game.

i think you let him play out the year resign towards end of the year if his knee is holding up.

 

[amame25]

Pickens(and his agent) will be priced out of Dallas for the next contract. You can’t pay two WR’s elite money and expect to field a competent defense. Well, you could but not with those two bozos trying to figure out the cap.

Tag and trade will be the most likely best scenario.

 

[ATXSRT]

We have enough money to sign them both, why are we choosing? That's why we let Parsons go. This offense when healthy will be elite. Just need to invest the draft picks in defense and we're set. At least until Dak regresses.

 

[amame25]

They should extend Javonte right now.

I love the way he runs. He takes two-yard gains and turns them into 8-yard first down runs.

And the next game he blows out his ACL. Lets let him get a good full year after injury before piling a bunch of money on him.

 

[Shannon1]

Both

 

[blueblood70]

You really need to reign in your emotions.

It’s just a conversation.

As for why they could sign a deal now?

Ask Javonte Williams.

The NFL is a violent game and every snap might be your last.

Williams’ injury nearly ended his career.

During the season, the risk of injury is on the player.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Actually, you got it all backwards,

but that's OK maybe you ought to rein in your emotions, read my stuff a little closer before you say a completely opposite what I'm saying..

I know Williams might sign something early, but why would you flip the script now look at the ownership knowing the same thing about how violent the running back position is, his injury history, his physical nature, why would you sign him this early?? I say you wait until after week 10 and if this is still going on and going well then have a conversation..

But there's still a cap three years 24 million That's what I would pay him , If I was a GM I would offer him 6 million first , Three years 18 million see if he takes it ... But then maybe you negotiate Upwards but capped at eight million a year.

.I wouldn't pay him a dime more because the same argument you just brought up,

you can't pay a running back that kind of money, because you know it could end in one season, they drop off a Cliff...

After what, I really meant has nothing to do with emotions,

george Pickens is not signing a deal early, he won't do it, I know his agent, I know where his heads at,

i'm listening closely you're not listening he literally has said many times that he's glad to be in Dallas so he can showcase his skills and elevate his value..

Only one thing you can take from that he's raising up his prices so other teams can bid on him,

because he wants to leave not 'cause he doesn't like the Cowboys, he truly has an ego he wants to be a number one wide receiver and he wants the number one money, and therefore he's not a good fit here... he would not sign a new deal right now he just wouldn't unless you gave him number one money and you'd be the dumbest GM in the history of football to pay this man like a starter...

I already saw his game as a starter, he is not tier one elite like Lamb, he is a Tier 2 starter like Terry Mclaurin, But you still have to remember there's a salary cap and you can't go overboard, but I know he would not sign here, most players will not sign early when they know there's market setting deals coming up for players in a similar situation...

Has nothing to do with emotion,

it's reality, you all think that Jerry could have signed a bunch of these players early without taking into consideration common sense most of them knew they were going to wait lamb already said he wasn't signing until he saw what chase or Jefferson got. it's a known fact that these big timers the elite players will wait on other players to get paid, so they can then get paid more that is on the agent and player and not Jerry Jones..

maybe they would sign something early but what they're going to do is only do three years and why would you do that as an owner they're going to want a short deal?? so they can come back to the table again and get a bigger piece of the pie really early..

I mean it's all about Jerry Hate around here ,

you think that he's the one that messes around and not get these deals done early when 90% of them get done on time or early.. we don't talk about those it is only some of these guys with the giant egos they're playing at elite levels, and they know their worth and they have agents that will make sure they get every dime they can get, they're not going to sign early..

It's common sense and by the way don't bring in the injury conversation that didn't even work with Prescott,

prescott waited ,he got injured ,he got a record deal, Terence Steele got paid after he got hurt, I mean there is precedent that it's been set here Jerry if he likes you if he really loves the player he will pay you even if you get injured..

That injury risk thing that there was number need for Parsons to hold out and create all that drama that he did I know Jerry's part of that I get that but he didn't need to take it to that extreme every single player has gotten paid and even if he would have practiced and came in and played and got injured Jerry would have paid him anyway, it would not have affected his contract here with the Dallas Cowboys one bit...

I mean Jaylon Smith he got paid, I mean do I need to keep going over guys who kind of injury problem, but they got contracts anyway, or had got injured and got paid..

I mean Prescott's should be the number one poster boy of how this works he didn't care about not having a deal he didn't care about playing under the franchise tag he took the risk he bet on himself he got injured under the franchise tag in 2020 and Jerry still gave him the bag not only gave him the bag gave him the no franchise tag clause and no trade clause I mean he took Jerry to the cleaners and didn't miss one practice Did he create drama online and go to so many lanes to really **** Jerry off And then Jerry went ahead and sent you off to Green Bay parsons did not need to do that...

So now this has nothing to do with emotion these are facts this is common sense this is precedents been set I have examples....

But back to that

yes but the risk works both ways how many times has Jerry paid a player big money and then they end up injured and hardly ever gets a return on his deal so why would he give these deals out early to some of the high-risk positions??

I Want you to think long and hard about it if you even got to this point because you think I'm being emotional and I'm telling you I'm using common sense, yes I believe if Williams keeps producing at this rate, and you see he can hold up then sometime after the bye week, you should consider offering him something early, and see if he takes it.

But I know George Pickens won't take it I know he won't sign here early he will not accept being number two he will not accept anything but the biggest bag he could possibly get and that needs competition it needs other teams vying for him.

So basically bidding on him like it's an auction the only way you're going to do that is to get yourself into free agency or if Jerry franchise tags him and allows him to seek a trade then he can get the highest bidder...

 

[Stash]

Actually, you got it all backwards,

but that's OK maybe you ought to rein in your emotions, read my stuff a little closer before you say a completely opposite what I'm saying..

I know Williams might sign something early, but why would you flip the script now look at the ownership knowing the same thing about how violent the running back position is, his injury history, his physical nature, why would you sign him this early?? I say you wait until after week 10 and if this is still going on and going well then have a conversation..

But there's still a cap three years 24 million That's what I would pay him , If I was a GM I would offer him 6 million first , Three years 18 million see if he takes it ... But then maybe you negotiate Upwards but capped at eight million a year.

.I wouldn't pay him a dime more because the same argument you just brought up,

you can't pay a running back that kind of money, because you know it could end in one season, they drop off a Cliff...

After what, I really meant has nothing to do with emotions,

george Pickens is not signing a deal early, he won't do it, I know his agent, I know where his heads at,

i'm listening closely you're not listening he literally has said many times that he's glad to be in Dallas so he can showcase his skills and elevate his value..

Only one thing you can take from that he's raising up his prices so other teams can bid on him,

because he wants to leave not 'cause he doesn't like the Cowboys, he truly has an ego he wants to be a number one wide receiver and he wants the number one money, and therefore he's not a good fit here... he would not sign a new deal right now he just wouldn't unless you gave him number one money and you'd be the dumbest GM in the history of football to pay this man like a starter...

I already saw his game as a starter, he is not tier one elite like Lamb, he is a Tier 2 starter like Terry Mclaurin, But you still have to remember there's a salary cap and you can't go overboard, but I know he would not sign here, most players will not sign early when they know there's market setting deals coming up for players in a similar situation...

Has nothing to do with emotion,

it's reality, you all think that Jerry could have signed a bunch of these players early without taking into consideration common sense most of them knew they were going to wait lamb already said he wasn't signing until he saw what chase or Jefferson got. it's a known fact that these big timers the elite players will wait on other players to get paid, so they can then get paid more that is on the agent and player and not Jerry Jones..

maybe they would sign something early but what they're going to do is only do three years and why would you do that as an owner they're going to want a short deal?? so they can come back to the table again and get a bigger piece of the pie really early..

I mean it's all about Jerry Hate around here ,

you think that he's the one that messes around and not get these deals done early when 90% of them get done on time or early.. we don't talk about those it is only some of these guys with the giant egos they're playing at elite levels, and they know their worth and they have agents that will make sure they get every dime they can get, they're not going to sign early..

It's common sense and by the way don't bring in the injury conversation that didn't even work with Prescott,

prescott waited ,he got injured ,he got a record deal, Terence Steele got paid after he got hurt, I mean there is precedent that it's been set here Jerry if he likes you if he really loves the player he will pay you even if you get injured..

That injury risk thing that there was number need for Parsons to hold out and create all that drama that he did I know Jerry's part of that I get that but he didn't need to take it to that extreme every single player has gotten paid and even if he would have practiced and came in and played and got injured Jerry would have paid him anyway, it would not have affected his contract here with the Dallas Cowboys one bit...

I mean Jaylon Smith he got paid, I mean do I need to keep going over guys who kind of injury problem, but they got contracts anyway, or had got injured and got paid..

I mean Prescott's should be the number one poster boy of how this works he didn't care about not having a deal he didn't care about playing under the franchise tag he took the risk he bet on himself he got injured under the franchise tag in 2020 and Jerry still gave him the bag not only gave him the bag gave him the no franchise tag clause and no trade clause I mean he took Jerry to the cleaners and didn't miss one practice Did he create drama online and go to so many lanes to really **** Jerry off And then Jerry went ahead and sent you off to Green Bay parsons did not need to do that...

So now this has nothing to do with emotion these are facts this is common sense this is precedents been set I have examples....

But back to that

yes but the risk works both ways how many times has Jerry paid a player big money and then they end up injured and hardly ever gets a return on his deal so why would he give these deals out early to some of the high-risk positions??

I Want you to think long and hard about it if you even got to this point because you think I'm being emotional and I'm telling you I'm using common sense, yes I believe if Williams keeps producing at this rate, and you see he can hold up then sometime after the bye week, you should consider offering him something early, and see if he takes it.

But I know George Pickens won't take it I know he won't sign here early he will not accept being number two he will not accept anything but the biggest bag he could possibly get and that needs competition it needs other teams vying for him.

So basically bidding on him like it's an auction the only way you're going to do that is to get yourself into free agency or if Jerry franchise tags him and allows him to seek a trade then he can get the highest bidder...

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[blueblood70]

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I'm sorry dude i'm gonna respond how I feel if you don't like it just pass it right up... So, either read it and learn something, or beat you and try to instruct me on how i'm supposed to respond.

that's almost like me asking you to write my thoughts for me that's not happening...
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You don't like it because I'm right many of you don't like real responses when it's not full of Jerry hate or fits the narrative where it's anti team and you just want to be negative all the time when I try to give you something full of common sense and actual facts you don't want to read it because it's too long you you just don't want to read it because you know I'm right..

 

[Stash]

I'm sorry dude i'm gonna respond how I feel if you don't like it just pass it right up... So, either read it and learn something, or beat you and try to instruct me on how i'm supposed to respond.

that's almost like me asking you to write my thoughts for me that's not happening...
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You don't like it because I'm right many of you don't like real responses when it's not full of Jerry hate or fits the narrative where it's anti team and you just want to be negative all the time when I try to give you something full of common sense and actual facts you don't want to read it because it's too long you you just don't want to read it because you know I'm right..

Ok. I’ll ignore it.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Pickens makes life for Dak easier and is the perfect complement for CD, re-structure some contracts and keep him!

Javonte should not command top money, throw him a fair 3 year deal.

 

[Sydla]

If we can only bring one back next year?
Who would you pick?

Pickens

The fact we plucked a good TB off the scrap heap tells you that it's likely easier to find RB help than WR help.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

JW will cost half of what Pickens will. It’s a no brainer. Having an effective running game completely opens up the offense. I personally think Flournoy could be our #2 next season.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Me gots the feeling that with the emerging Flournoy Jerry is gonna feel like not paying top money to Pickens. And maybe try signing Williams to a 3 yr deal about $7m per. with some added incentives like he has now.

Personally wish they could find a way to keep Pickens cuz you know what happens when CD goes down. The passing game implodes.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Not a hater, but neither. But if I have to choose Pickens.

Williams is an elite runner right now, but I don’t believe in giving RBs big contracts. Especially ones that have been injured frequently.

No doubt - if he’s able to do a team friendly deal I’d take it. But if he wants top RB money he can walk.

Pickens is an animal and a contested catch freak. He is the Dez Bryant type receiver this team has been missing since… well, 2014 Dez Bryant.

I also believe he could go Antonio Brown us, or any team, pretty quickly.

But he’s a harder player to find. There are several great RBs in the league. But how many WRs in this league do you trust to come down with a jump ball over two guys more than Pickens?

 

[Texas_Pete]

Pickens easily. Then bring Mafa up to the varsity.

 

[ScotsCowboy]

Javonte easily. Way more impactful.

You can't pay two receivers top money.

Myth. Total myth.

Tell that to Howie, or to Tee & Ja’Marr.

A WR2 simply doesn’t command as much as a WR1, but certainly they’re still paid very good money by comparison to most other positions - and not one of those teams destroys its cap paying them.

A decent front office makes this happen.

 

[erod]

Myth. Total myth.

Tell that to Howie, or to Tee & Ja’Marr.

A WR2 simply doesn’t command as much as a WR1, but certainly they’re still paid very good money by comparison to most other positions - and not one of those teams destroys its cap paying them.

A decent front office makes this happen.

Tee and Jamarr are the perfect example. The Bengals can't afford to protect Burrow because of it, and he's constantly hurt. That's why the Bengals blow.

 

[charron]

Pickens.

But I still wish they had drafted Golden to pair with CD. Expensive vet and cheaper speedy WR for the next 5 years. Nothing wrong with the guard but they are proving that we can have a high performing offense without him. What they can't have is a high powered offense without a top receiver, if Pickens wasn't here missing CD would be a huge ordeal.

 

[shabazz]

Don’t see why you’d have to choose.

Top end money for WRs is significant, not for RBs.

Great point. Their devaluation of the RB position has made this a moot point.

Derrick Henry had over 2000 all purpose yards and 18 TDS for the low base price of 6 Mil, before incentives, last season.

 

[ScotsCowboy]

Tee and Jamarr are the perfect example. The Bengals can't afford to protect Burrow because of it, and he's constantly hurt. That's why the Bengals blow.

Whatever. Care to take a stab at why Roseman’s SB winning Eagles can pay Brown & Smith, and still afford the stunning roster moves that they make?

WR2s command expensive but affordable contracts to the majority of top teams. We’re mostly run like a joke, hence why it looks difficult for us to do what other teams do all the time.