Jay Mariotti: If Cowboys Think Big, Why Keep Phillips? (Caution: very negative)

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Dont shoot the messenger when the message is correct, JJ keeps this system in place because he has 2 people who coach offense and defense while he is the real HC and has the final say.

Make no mistake, this is nothing but an ego trip for JJ.

As much as I wanted this december run and the first playoff win by my cowboys, these may have set us back a few years. Just as JJ has used the lack of success during BPs tenure to mean that a "real" coach is not needed, he will milk this december and playoff success for years to come. Mediocrity will continue to be accepted in the name of "continuity" or at best we will see garrett installed as the future HC.

No one on this board will be happier to eat crow than me if/when wade and garrett lead our cowboys to their 6th SB, but I really dont think that is going to happen with the current "system" in place. JJ has found 2 well-paid minions who will continue to kowtow to him and it suits him perfectly.

There is a reason no other franchise is run this way, there is a reason this model has never produced a SB winner, there is a reason other SB winners follow a different "system". Unfortunately our owner/GM is on an ego trip and there is no holding him back.

Self delusion is a killer and JJ is a master at it.
 

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burmafrd;3244706 said:
Fact is that he does have a point. Jerruh would rather have a puppet then a top coach.


This is bull**** and Jerry's hire of Parcells proved it.

Tell me what "Name HC", clearly better and more qualified than Wade was availible in Feb 2007?

Now tell me why Wade should be fired?
 

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Alexander;3244588 said:
Because we won that all elusive playoff game. The monkey is dead. So all is well now. That self-designed structure is still not showing definitive results.



No offense to Romo, but I doubt even he could explain exactly what our system is.

What is Cowboys football? Just last season, we had no direction and everyone was full of doubt. Suddenly we have that now? The shrubbery changed but the landscaping is still the same. Any "system" we had was here two years ago. So what exactly is our "system" and who defines it?

Is it Wade Phillips? If so, extend him. Don't be wishy washy about it and chisel away with little extensions here or there.

If it is Garrett, promote him.

If it is Jerry Jones liking things the way they are so long as he is making money and he can keep the wolves at bay, by all means, continue with the undefined process.

This is how I view things.

If Jerry Jones thinks Wade Phillips is the "guy" then he should give him a multi-year deal and let him choose his own Coaches.

If he thinks Jason Garrett is the "guy", let Wade Phillips go and let Jason Garrett choose his own staff and try to win his way.

If Wade Phillips is only extended only 1 year, I believe this will be sending a very bad message to the entire team.
 

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dboyz;3244704 said:
Our drafting the past few years has actually been pretty good under the Jones/Phillips regime (of course the jury is still out on the 09 draft, which pretty much validates Jerry's way of doing things and undercuts the idea that we need a conventional football operation here.
Actually I approve of the '09 draft because in the end the draft is filling your need. In the '09 Draft the Cowboys were looking to improve Special Teams and only Special Teams. Although a good portion of the draft class was either cut or put on IR you saw the improvement on Special Teams, esp. David Buehler. In the end you got what you drafted, a bunch of low end players who likely won't be in the league and a few that will contribute on special teams, but that was the goal. When you have a bunch of second day draft picks and no first day picks that's what you expect, and this regime (when they have picks) has been pretty good at getting the sure thing (i don't consider anything after 4th round a sure thing).
 

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Maikeru-sama;3244812 said:
This is how I view things.

If Jerry Jones thinks Wade Phillips is the "guy" then he should give him a multi-year deal and let him choose his own Coaches.

If he thinks Jason Garrett is the "guy", let Wade Phillips go and let Jason Garrett choose his own staff and try to win his way.

If Wade Phillips is only extended only 1 year, I believe this will be sending a very bad message to the entire team.
They have yet to announce anything and anything that is kicked around right now is just conjecture. I would expect Jerry to extend Wade at least an additional year or two because of the labor situation.
 

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The article is right, but whats the point? I mean Jerry is not going to change, for the most part I have accepted that and have to come to realize that this just means its going to be that much harder for us to get back to the top.

Sure Wade is capable of getting us there if we have a VERY strong set of players who can act as leaders (guess what, we still don't have that though we are close), but Wade adds absolutely nothing special to this team himself, he is simply there.

As for Garrett, he takes away from this team, he costs us games, or at leasts makes it harder for us to win games...

Some teams have coaches that help them win games, some teams have coaches that are just there, some teams have coaches the cause them to lose games. With Wade and Garrett we have the last two, and thats a dang shame, because with the first type of coach I think this team could have made it much further the past three years, but Jerry has what he wants and Jerry has the money, so we are just going to have to hope to do it the hard way.
 

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Gzus;3244817 said:
Actually I approve of the '09 draft because in the end the draft is filling your need. In the '09 Draft the Cowboys were looking to improve Special Teams and only Special Teams. Although a good portion of the draft class was either cut or put on IR you saw the improvement on Special Teams, esp. David Buehler. In the end you got what you drafted, a bunch of low end players who likely won't be in the league and a few that will contribute on special teams, but that was the goal. When you have a bunch of second day draft picks and no first day picks that's what you expect, and this regime (when they have picks) has been pretty good at getting the sure thing (i don't consider anything after 4th round a sure thing).

What I have bolded is yet another reason Jerry is a failure.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3244565 said:
If Cowboys Think Big, Why Keep Phillips?

1/19/2010 1:00 AM ET
By Jay Mariotti

Jerry Jones built the world's largest domed stadium, one with an exterior made of fritted glass and limestone rock, one that cost $1.3 billion and has a magnificent high-def screen hanging from one 20-yard line to the other, one with 3,000 LCD units and huge partitions that open in both end zones, one that charges $800,000 per year to lease a luxury suite and prices a pizza at $90 and a 12-pack of beer at $66 in those suites, one that has players enter the field through a sports bar with see-through walls and delirious fans, one that even includes a elaborate locker room for -- ta da! -- the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.

"Words just can't explain how grateful we are for it. Each girl has her own locker like the players, with our own individual mirror, plugs and storage," gushes Cassie Trammell, a squad member.

And yet, though he constructs such a colossus and continues to proclaim the Cowboys as America's Team 14 years since their last Super Bowl victory, Jones made a decision Monday that reflects comparatively smallish thinking. The owner/general manager, a dangerous combination in his case, will reportedly bring back Wade Phillips as coach for the 2010 season. This is akin to inventing the world's sleekest automobile, then installing an 8-track tape player. And it confirms what we've known throughout a dry, maddening period in Cowboys history: That Jones would prefer to have an inferior coach whom he can puppeteer, one whose image never will be larger than his, than appoint a marquee name who can win a championship.

Had he gone to Bill Cowher with a promise -- to stay out of the way, promote prize fights and rock concerts at his entertainment complex and spend games eating $90 pizzas instead of wandering down to the sideline -- my guess is that the premier unemployed football coach on the planet would have signed immediately. But Jones' massive ego never could handle relinquishing power, even when it has been established that he closely resembles a buffoon as a lead executive.The problem is that the Cowboys, under an elite coach named Jimmy Johnson, won consecutive Super Bowl titles, then a third under Barry Switzer two years later, not long after Jones purchased the franchise in 1989. Since then, Jones has convinced himself that he is the central reason for that dynasty, conveniently forgetting that his monster has won exactly one playoff game since 1996.

The fact the win came this postseason, in the wild-card round, was enough for Jones to retain Phillips. Never mind that this past Sunday, in the divisional round, the Cowboys were pummeled so convincingly by the Minnesota Vikings -- 34-3 says it all -- that it washed away all momentum gained from the previous few weeks. Never mind that the way Jones has structured the team's coaching infrastructure, with Phillips responsible for the defense and Jason Garrett responsible for the offense, has trivialized the concept of Phillips as the head coach. Never mind that the lack of a leadership totem pole becomes an issue when Garrett needs a kick in the tail for not adjusting to the Vikings' furious pass rush, for giving the ball to a plodding Marion Barber too much in the second quarter when Felix Jones had been so effective earlier, for not developing Tony Romo into a poised, savvy quarterback who can improvise his way out of pressure instead of dancing around haplessly like a drunk on Greenville Avenue.

Seems Jones painted himself into a corner by growing a little too excited the week before. That is when he hastily declared, "Can we all together on three say it? The demons are -- what? -- gone!" Yeah, gone for a week. If the Cowboys had eluded what would have been an NFL-record seventh consecutive postseason loss, they went on to Minnesota and extended a road playoff losing streak that has lasted 17 friggin' years. To me, Jones is a fraud when it comes to the excessive hype of his franchise. He wants us to believe the Cowboys are the New York Yankees of pro football, that they are as popular as any sports team in the world, that he built a stadium worthy of their magnitude. Yet, on the field, he's content simply to win his first playoff game in eons even after being blown out in the next game and failing to reach the NFC championship game. The Yankees don't think this way. Manchester United and Real Madrid don't think this way. They fire coaches and managers who don't reach expectations.

Jerry JonesTherefore, stop thinking of the Cowboys as America's Team. You can't represent an entire country when three U.S. presidents have served five terms since your last league championship. Shoot, you can't represent an entire country when you're barely the best NFL team in Texas, with the Houston Texans finally shedding their post-expansion rut to become very competitive. If Jones is pleased with Phillips -- who now is 1-5 as a playoff coach with three teams, the first two of whom (Buffalo and San Diego) fired him -- then he's running nothing more than Mediocrity's Team.

"You know I'm pleased with the job he's done, and this game doesn't have any bearing on any decision I make," Jones said after the Minnesota mauling. "This doesn't discourage me from the direction we're going. I had hoped we were there, and we weren't, and this game showed that. But we have a ways to go to from here and build on some of the things we did this year. We've got some really good people and good players."

That score, again, was 34-3. At the very least, he should reduce the pizza prices in the suites to $50.

Even Phillips sounded less satisfied than his boss. "Our goal was to win it all, and if not, then that's not a success," he said. "It's like the elevator falling from the top. It's tough when it's over. If you don't win it all, you have not reached your goal." OK, so explain something: If the goal is to win a Super Bowl and your team falls miserably short in the third-to-last step, how committed are you to winning a championship? In truth, Jones hinted too soon that Phillips was coming back, which ended any chance of landing Mike Shanahan, who signed with the arch-rival Washington Commanders, or wooing someone such as Pete Carroll, who fled USC for the Seattle Seahawks. His wishy-washiness makes him his own worst enemy. Before beating Philadelphia in the playoff game, Jones talked openly about his frustrations and even suggested that criticism toward him was valid after the 2008 season, when the Cowboys missed the playoffs after a 44-6 pounding in Philly.

"My confidence was shaken," Jones said. "The criticism that I deal with the most is that I should have a general manager or I should have a football management in between the ownership and the coach. Because of that kind of self-designed structure that we have here, and hearing it for 20 years, then it was pounding in my head pretty good when we left Philadelphia."

Why should it stop now? Jones admits that he has run through too many coaches and quarterbacks since the glory days, a rapid turnover that has much to do with his inability to bring in great ones. He did have a Hall of Fame coach in Bill Parcells, but Tuna never was comfortable working for Jones and decided to become a big boss himself in Miami. Romo has the arm and the skills, but he remains inconsistent and unreliable in big moments. Why? Because Jones is unreasonably high on Garrett, who has been a hit-and-miss coordinator whose stock has fallen among smarter NFL folks. Face it: Jerry Jones may know how to maximize the Cowboys brand, but as a general manager, he's a dope.

"I wouldn't have dreamed that we would have the turnover in the coaches that we've had," Jones said. "I wouldn't have dreamed we would have had some of the challenges that, whether it was self-imposed or not through me, we've had in our quarterbacking. So all of those things as I look back over these years, I couldn't have imagined that."

Don't imagine it. Realize it.

The Cowboys aren't state of the art. They're stale art.

Knowing that Jones reads and watches everything, the players simply follow his lead. "He's our head coach," linebacker Bradie James said. "It wouldn't make any sense to let him go right now."

Face it: Jerry Jones may know how to maximize the Cowboys brand, but as a general manager, he's a dope.
"I think it's always good to continue to have the same system in place with the players," Romo told reporters Monday. "It goes a long way to continue to grow and to continue to improve. The system is a large part of it, the understanding of what it takes to do certain things. Now we know what we've got to do to get to that point, and now we have to do even more to take the next step. His record speaks for itself. He's done a great job, kept the team together through a lot of tough times this year. He's done a fantastic job as coach of the Cowboys."

Fantastic? Sean Payton has done a fantastic job as coach of the long-woebegone New Orleans Saints. Rex Ryan, in short order, has done a fantastic job as coach of the New York Jets. Jim Caldwell, in short order, has done a fantastic job as coach of the Indianapolis Colts. Wade Phillips, Son of a Bum, has bumped along as a glorified defensive coordinator, not good enough to be a championship head coach. He couldn't win in the playoffs with the Bills, who canned him. He couldn't win in the playoffs with the Chargers, who canned him. He goes 1-2 in the playoffs with the Cowboys, so-called America's Team, and they keep him.

"I've said all along, 'If you can get the team to the playoffs, you can win,' " Phillips said. "It's learning how to win."

That would be a self-indictment.

And a commentary on Jerry Jones, America's Loser.



:bow:

It's like he read my mind and put it on paper. Simply Brilliant.
 

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Alexander;3244588 said:
If it is Jerry Jones liking things the way they are so long as he is making money and he can keep the wolves at bay, by all means, continue with the undefined process.

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This.
 

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utrunner07;3244824 said:
The article is right, but whats the point? I mean Jerry is not going to change, for the most part I have accepted that and have to come to realize that this just means its going to be that much harder for us to get back to the top.

Sure Wade is capable of getting us there if we have a VERY strong set of players who can act as leaders (guess what, we still don't have that though we are close), but Wade adds absolutely nothing special to this team himself, he is simply there.

As for Garrett, he takes away from this team, he costs us games, or at leasts makes it harder for us to win games...

Some teams have coaches that help them win games, some teams have coaches that are just there, some teams have coaches the cause them to lose games. With Wade and Garrett we have the last two, and thats a dang shame, because with the first type of coach I think this team could have made it much further the past three years, but Jerry has what he wants and Jerry has the money, so we are just going to have to hope to do it the hard way.

Wade is more than just there. Don't let one bad game spoil your memory. The Cowboys defense is much improved and Wade deserves all the credit. How soon we forget when emotion gets in the way.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3244843 said:
Wade is more than just there. Don't let one bad game spoil your memory. The Cowboys defense is much improved and Wade deserves all the credit. How soon we forget when emotion gets in the way.

One bad game?
 

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DaBoys4Life;3244837 said:
:bow:

It's like he read my mind and put it on paper. Simply Brilliant.
So you have the same mindset as Gay Mariotti? Hmmmmmmmm. And where were you when we were winning 4 in a row? You made like a ghost, buddy.
 

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Every time you are negative ..... a polar bear dies.

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Please ...... think of the Polar Bears.


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Boyzmamacita;3244848 said:
So you have the same mindset as Gay Mariotti? Hmmmmmmmm. And where were you when we were winning 4 in a row? You made like a ghost, buddy.

I was here. If you didn't see me then oh well.
 

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Marriotti's an idiot. He can't let the $90.00 pizza go. He's brought it up again and again on ESPN since the stadium opened.

I've seen him naked at the gym and he has a really small *****, so there it is.
 

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Its amazing, and frankly a little sad, how a lot of Cowboy fans find mediocrity so acceptable.

The way this season ended leaves little optimism for the future.

Say what you want about Minnesotas d-line dominance but our team looked woefully ill prepared for Saturdays game.

It appears we are now hanging our hats on two wins over a division rival, with serious injury concerns, as the 'sign' that we have turned the corner.

Oh boy.

Beaten at HOME by the Giants in 2007, crushed repeatedly in late 2008 as we needed wins to get in (including the final game at Texas stadium), and manhandled like a 12 year old to finish 2009.

Yep we are going in the right direction.

6000 yards of offense yet a team that had serious difficulties in the red zone.

This years 'project' is the offensive line, last years special teams, 2011 who knows..

Meanwhile another year of Romos career goes by under the expert 'tutelage' of Wade Wilson and Jason Garrett.

Damn man, it seems so long ago that Landry and Johnson were walking our sidelines.

As always Go Cowboys!
 

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DaBoys4Life;3244853 said:
I was here. If you didn't see me then oh well.
You were a lot less loquacious. I wasn't shocked, nor am I now with anyone who was quieter during that stretch and suddenly since Sunday are vocal again.
 

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Gzus;3244817 said:
Actually I approve of the '09 draft because in the end the draft is filling your need. In the '09 Draft the Cowboys were looking to improve Special Teams and only Special Teams. Although a good portion of the draft class was either cut or put on IR you saw the improvement on Special Teams, esp. David Buehler. In the end you got what you drafted, a bunch of low end players who likely won't be in the league and a few that will contribute on special teams, but that was the goal. When you have a bunch of second day draft picks and no first day picks that's what you expect, and this regime (when they have picks) has been pretty good at getting the sure thing (i don't consider anything after 4th round a sure thing).
I actually liked the draft class at the time and still do. People who have potential to pan out are: Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, Victor Butler, Brandon Williams, Stephen Hodge, and Ogletree. And Buehler has clearly panned out. That's a pretty good crop of players. None of them may turn into superstars, but they could turn into solid players for us, and that is more than a lot of teams got out of the draft.
 

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rockwood2;3244867 said:
Its amazing, and frankly a little sad, how a lot of Cowboy fans find mediocrity so acceptable.

The way this season ended leaves little optimism for the future.

Say what you want about Minnesotas d-line dominance but our team looked woefully ill prepared for Saturdays game.

It appears we are now hanging our hats on two wins over a division rival, with serious injury concerns, as the 'sign' that we have turned the corner.

Oh boy.

Beaten at HOME by the Giants in 2007, crushed repeatedly in late 2008 as we needed wins to get in (including the final game at Texas stadium), and manhandled like a 12 year old to finish 2009.

Yep we are going in the right direction.

6000 yards of offense yet a team that had serious difficulties in the red zone.

This years 'project' is the offensive line, last years special teams, 2011 who knows..

Meanwhile another year of Romos career goes by under the expert 'tutelage' of Wade Wilson and Jason Garrett.

Damn man, it seems so long ago that Landry and Johnson were walking our sidelines.

As always Go Cowboys!

Because some of us feel that not wanting to fire the HC and rebuilding is somehow accepting mediocrity? Dallas could hire a lot of different coaches but there is no sure thing out there. It is not that easy.

Jimmy had everything at Miami yet could not repeat what he was able to do in Dallas why? He is a great coach yet did not go to Miami and win and yes got his butt handed to him vs Jacksonville in the playoffs.

People talk about Cowher yet there is nothing to show he could go anywhere and re live what he did at Pitt.

Starting over and rebuilding is what the Commanders keep doing and even with big names yet have done nothing expect put players in a situation where they are constantly learning new systems. Only thing some of us are not accepting is Knee Jerk reaction after a bad loss.
 

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We have to be warned that a certain columnist doesn't ******* Jerry or Wade? Hilarious. Romper Room continues.
 
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