Jay Mariotti: If Cowboys Think Big, Why Keep Phillips? (Caution: very negative)

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So based on articles I'm reading, such as this one, and the other one in USA Today about how the playoffs are better without the Cowboys, I should just stop being a fan of the Dallas Cowboys.

I'm really surprised at the venom being spewed by so-called journalists these days. If the Cowboys are as insignificant as this guy, and other guys claim, then why do they spend so much time writing about them after a playoff loss?

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. Only thing some of us are not accepting is Knee Jerk reaction after a bad loss.[/QUOTE]


I think a knee jerk reaction may have been after the 2007 finish.. or maybe any of the 3 or 4 late 2008 disasters..
 

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Doomsday101;3244889 said:
Because some of us feel that not wanting to fire the HC and rebuilding is somehow accepting mediocrity? Dallas could hire a lot of different coaches but there is no sure thing out there. It is not that easy.

Jimmy had everything at Miami yet could not repeat what he was able to do in Dallas why? He is a great coach yet did not go to Miami and win and yes got his butt handed to him vs Jacksonville in the playoffs.

People talk about Cowher yet there is nothing to show he could go anywhere and re live what he did at Pitt.

Starting over and rebuilding is what the Commanders keep doing and even with big names yet have done nothing expect put players in a situation where they are constantly learning new systems. Only thing some of us are not accepting is Knee Jerk reaction after a bad loss.
You mean the same Cowher that when he left the Steelers, they ended up winning another Super Bowl soon with Tomlin as the coach? Head coaches are overrated. Talent is what matters. Switzer proved that. I'm glad we kept Wade, because he is a great defensive coordinator. Yes great.

Btw I agree with you.
 

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Cover 2;3244917 said:
You mean the same Cowher that when he left the Steelers, they ended up winning another Super Bowl soon with Tomlin as the coach? Head coaches are overrated. Talent is what matters. Switzer proved that. I'm glad we kept Wade, because he is a great defensive coordinator. Yes great.

Btw I agree with you.

I agree talent matters. I also think guys like Cowher and Jimmy are very good coaches but they are not some sure thing and having success at one location does not ensure the same results at others.
 

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sonnyboy;3244803 said:
This is bull**** and Jerry's hire of Parcells proved it.

Tell me what "Name HC", clearly better and more qualified than Wade was availible in Feb 2007?

Now tell me why Wade should be fired?

And that only happened after he got desperate following three consecutive 5-11 seasons. But Switzer, Gailey, Campo and Wade prove he's more interested in puppet coaches while he remains the face of the franchise than he is in actually trying to win it all.

Now we have a coach who had never been past the 2nd round of the playoffs in nearly two decades of coaching, let alone to a Super Bowl, with 4 different teams. He's good enough most times to get over .500, and often even good enough to make the playoffs. Finally after all those years he's finally won a playoff game. But, what's the odds that this slightly-better-than-mediocre HC can win 3-4 postseason games in a row and win a Super Bowl? I'd say closer to slim and none.

So it comes down to how much do you want to win? And Jerry has answered that resoundingly. Being able to make the playoffs and maybe winning a wildcard game is good enough for him. Now of course I'm sure he'd love to win the Super Bowl, but his actions speak louder than words. He's obviously satisfied with just being in the mix and getting fans to fill his stadium and buy his merchandise. It really is sickening how low the bar has been lowered.
 

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rockwood2;3244909 said:
. Only thing some of us are not accepting is Knee Jerk reaction after a bad loss.


I think a knee jerk reaction may have been after the 2007 finish.. or maybe any of the 3 or 4 late 2008 disasters..[/QUOTE]

I wish we could win the SB every year but that is not going to happen. Belicheck is a great coach yet got their butts kicked in wildcard weekend by the Ravens being a great coach does not prevent your team from getting beat and beaten badly. Since Wade has been here we have won 2 out of 3 NFC East titles, we have gotten over a couple of humps this season. Frankly not many coaches would be called out for their jobs when they have produces that type of record in there 1st 3 years as HC. So firing him yes in my view is knee jerk.
 

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What a piece of garbage this is. Thi tarticle is so full of **** it isn't even funny. Not to mention it is full of non facts. Someone please tell this idiot that Wade was never fired from the Chargers. In fact he was never even the head coach there. Also comparing them to the Yankees was stupid. They had a great run in the 90's just like our Cowboys. Then just like our Cowboys they went through a bad stretch until this year. Guy simply has an axe to grind and anyone that agrees with this crap does to.
 

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Wade was probably the best available at the time though Norv has looked better then what I thought he would in San Diego. But that was then and this is now and Jerruh wants us to think that Wade is the BEST COACH THAT CAN BE GOTTEN TO COACH THE COWBOYS?
 

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Boyzmamacita;3244843 said:
Wade is more than just there. Don't let one bad game spoil your memory. The Cowboys defense is much improved and Wade deserves all the credit. How soon we forget when emotion gets in the way.

Im talking about as a HC, not as a DC, I have no problem with Wade as a DC, as a HC though he is just there.
 

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rangers71;3244963 said:
What a piece of garbage this is. Thi tarticle is so full of **** it isn't even funny. Not to mention it is full of non facts. Someone please tell this idiot that Wade was never fired from the Chargers. In fact he was never even the head coach there. Also comparing them to the Yankees was stupid. They had a great run in the 90's just like our Cowboys. Then just like our Cowboys they went through a bad stretch until this year. Guy simply has an axe to grind and anyone that agrees with this crap does to.

But it does appeal to a demographic who will quote it for truth.

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Every time you are negative ..... a polar bear dies.

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Quit the denial.

the writer could not have said it better. (Wade fist pump)

Again I will say:

World-class stadium
World-class team
Bargain-bin HC.
 

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for the record i tried to tell aikbach the exact same thing yesterday and was accussed of trolling...
 

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Gzus;3244817 said:
Actually I approve of the '09 draft because in the end the draft is filling your need. In the '09 Draft the Cowboys were looking to improve Special Teams and only Special Teams. Although a good portion of the draft class was either cut or put on IR you saw the improvement on Special Teams, esp. David Buehler. In the end you got what you drafted, a bunch of low end players who likely won't be in the league and a few that will contribute on special teams, but that was the goal. When you have a bunch of second day draft picks and no first day picks that's what you expect, and this regime (when they have picks) has been pretty good at getting the sure thing (i don't consider anything after 4th round a sure thing).


You mean the draft where jerry traded away the top picks for an insignificant spoiled player? Special teams was the goal, because there were no picks worthy of aiming for anything more. Good thing wade provided his valuable input into this and put his foot down... Keep playing armchair gm/coach jerry.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3244565 said:
If Cowboys Think Big, Why Keep Phillips?

1/19/2010 1:00 AM ET
By Jay Mariotti

Jerry Jones built the world's largest domed stadium, one with an exterior made of fritted glass and limestone rock, one that cost $1.3 billion and has a magnificent high-def screen hanging from one 20-yard line to the other, one with 3,000 LCD units and huge partitions that open in both end zones, one that charges $800,000 per year to lease a luxury suite and prices a pizza at $90 and a 12-pack of beer at $66 in those suites, one that has players enter the field through a sports bar with see-through walls and delirious fans, one that even includes a elaborate locker room for -- ta da! -- the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.

"Words just can't explain how grateful we are for it. Each girl has her own locker like the players, with our own individual mirror, plugs and storage," gushes Cassie Trammell, a squad member.

And yet, though he constructs such a colossus and continues to proclaim the Cowboys as America's Team 14 years since their last Super Bowl victory, Jones made a decision Monday that reflects comparatively smallish thinking. The owner/general manager, a dangerous combination in his case, will reportedly bring back Wade Phillips as coach for the 2010 season. This is akin to inventing the world's sleekest automobile, then installing an 8-track tape player. And it confirms what we've known throughout a dry, maddening period in Cowboys history: That Jones would prefer to have an inferior coach whom he can puppeteer, one whose image never will be larger than his, than appoint a marquee name who can win a championship.

Had he gone to Bill Cowher with a promise -- to stay out of the way, promote prize fights and rock concerts at his entertainment complex and spend games eating $90 pizzas instead of wandering down to the sideline -- my guess is that the premier unemployed football coach on the planet would have signed immediately. But Jones' massive ego never could handle relinquishing power, even when it has been established that he closely resembles a buffoon as a lead executive.The problem is that the Cowboys, under an elite coach named Jimmy Johnson, won consecutive Super Bowl titles, then a third under Barry Switzer two years later, not long after Jones purchased the franchise in 1989. Since then, Jones has convinced himself that he is the central reason for that dynasty, conveniently forgetting that his monster has won exactly one playoff game since 1996.

The fact the win came this postseason, in the wild-card round, was enough for Jones to retain Phillips. Never mind that this past Sunday, in the divisional round, the Cowboys were pummeled so convincingly by the Minnesota Vikings -- 34-3 says it all -- that it washed away all momentum gained from the previous few weeks. Never mind that the way Jones has structured the team's coaching infrastructure, with Phillips responsible for the defense and Jason Garrett responsible for the offense, has trivialized the concept of Phillips as the head coach. Never mind that the lack of a leadership totem pole becomes an issue when Garrett needs a kick in the tail for not adjusting to the Vikings' furious pass rush, for giving the ball to a plodding Marion Barber too much in the second quarter when Felix Jones had been so effective earlier, for not developing Tony Romo into a poised, savvy quarterback who can improvise his way out of pressure instead of dancing around haplessly like a drunk on Greenville Avenue.

Seems Jones painted himself into a corner by growing a little too excited the week before. That is when he hastily declared, "Can we all together on three say it? The demons are -- what? -- gone!" Yeah, gone for a week. If the Cowboys had eluded what would have been an NFL-record seventh consecutive postseason loss, they went on to Minnesota and extended a road playoff losing streak that has lasted 17 friggin' years. To me, Jones is a fraud when it comes to the excessive hype of his franchise. He wants us to believe the Cowboys are the New York Yankees of pro football, that they are as popular as any sports team in the world, that he built a stadium worthy of their magnitude. Yet, on the field, he's content simply to win his first playoff game in eons even after being blown out in the next game and failing to reach the NFC championship game. The Yankees don't think this way. Manchester United and Real Madrid don't think this way. They fire coaches and managers who don't reach expectations.

Jerry JonesTherefore, stop thinking of the Cowboys as America's Team. You can't represent an entire country when three U.S. presidents have served five terms since your last league championship. Shoot, you can't represent an entire country when you're barely the best NFL team in Texas, with the Houston Texans finally shedding their post-expansion rut to become very competitive. If Jones is pleased with Phillips -- who now is 1-5 as a playoff coach with three teams, the first two of whom (Buffalo and San Diego) fired him -- then he's running nothing more than Mediocrity's Team.

"You know I'm pleased with the job he's done, and this game doesn't have any bearing on any decision I make," Jones said after the Minnesota mauling. "This doesn't discourage me from the direction we're going. I had hoped we were there, and we weren't, and this game showed that. But we have a ways to go to from here and build on some of the things we did this year. We've got some really good people and good players."

That score, again, was 34-3. At the very least, he should reduce the pizza prices in the suites to $50.

Even Phillips sounded less satisfied than his boss. "Our goal was to win it all, and if not, then that's not a success," he said. "It's like the elevator falling from the top. It's tough when it's over. If you don't win it all, you have not reached your goal." OK, so explain something: If the goal is to win a Super Bowl and your team falls miserably short in the third-to-last step, how committed are you to winning a championship? In truth, Jones hinted too soon that Phillips was coming back, which ended any chance of landing Mike Shanahan, who signed with the arch-rival Washington Commanders, or wooing someone such as Pete Carroll, who fled USC for the Seattle Seahawks. His wishy-washiness makes him his own worst enemy. Before beating Philadelphia in the playoff game, Jones talked openly about his frustrations and even suggested that criticism toward him was valid after the 2008 season, when the Cowboys missed the playoffs after a 44-6 pounding in Philly.

"My confidence was shaken," Jones said. "The criticism that I deal with the most is that I should have a general manager or I should have a football management in between the ownership and the coach. Because of that kind of self-designed structure that we have here, and hearing it for 20 years, then it was pounding in my head pretty good when we left Philadelphia."

Why should it stop now? Jones admits that he has run through too many coaches and quarterbacks since the glory days, a rapid turnover that has much to do with his inability to bring in great ones. He did have a Hall of Fame coach in Bill Parcells, but Tuna never was comfortable working for Jones and decided to become a big boss himself in Miami. Romo has the arm and the skills, but he remains inconsistent and unreliable in big moments. Why? Because Jones is unreasonably high on Garrett, who has been a hit-and-miss coordinator whose stock has fallen among smarter NFL folks. Face it: Jerry Jones may know how to maximize the Cowboys brand, but as a general manager, he's a dope.

"I wouldn't have dreamed that we would have the turnover in the coaches that we've had," Jones said. "I wouldn't have dreamed we would have had some of the challenges that, whether it was self-imposed or not through me, we've had in our quarterbacking. So all of those things as I look back over these years, I couldn't have imagined that."

Don't imagine it. Realize it.

The Cowboys aren't state of the art. They're stale art.

Knowing that Jones reads and watches everything, the players simply follow his lead. "He's our head coach," linebacker Bradie James said. "It wouldn't make any sense to let him go right now."

Face it: Jerry Jones may know how to maximize the Cowboys brand, but as a general manager, he's a dope.
"I think it's always good to continue to have the same system in place with the players," Romo told reporters Monday. "It goes a long way to continue to grow and to continue to improve. The system is a large part of it, the understanding of what it takes to do certain things. Now we know what we've got to do to get to that point, and now we have to do even more to take the next step. His record speaks for itself. He's done a great job, kept the team together through a lot of tough times this year. He's done a fantastic job as coach of the Cowboys."

Fantastic? Sean Payton has done a fantastic job as coach of the long-woebegone New Orleans Saints. Rex Ryan, in short order, has done a fantastic job as coach of the New York Jets. Jim Caldwell, in short order, has done a fantastic job as coach of the Indianapolis Colts. Wade Phillips, Son of a Bum, has bumped along as a glorified defensive coordinator, not good enough to be a championship head coach. He couldn't win in the playoffs with the Bills, who canned him. He couldn't win in the playoffs with the Chargers, who canned him. He goes 1-2 in the playoffs with the Cowboys, so-called America's Team, and they keep him.

"I've said all along, 'If you can get the team to the playoffs, you can win,' " Phillips said. "It's learning how to win."

That would be a self-indictment.

And a commentary on Jerry Jones, America's Loser.

...all i can say is that if this idiot was sitting in front of a few of the Cowboys players he would'nt get out of the room on anything but a stretcher...

...must've really hurt him to sneak in the 1-2 qualifier about playoff wins...

...this whole rehashed diatribe has all the composure of a seven year old throwing a temper tantrum...did he lose some money on the Cowboys this year???...whomever he owed it probably took it out of his ### from the tone of this...whatever it is...
 

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Doomsday101;3244889 said:
Because some of us feel that not wanting to fire the HC and rebuilding is somehow accepting mediocrity? Dallas could hire a lot of different coaches but there is no sure thing out there. It is not that easy.

Jimmy had everything at Miami yet could not repeat what he was able to do in Dallas why? He is a great coach yet did not go to Miami and win and yes got his butt handed to him vs Jacksonville in the playoffs.

People talk about Cowher yet there is nothing to show he could go anywhere and re live what he did at Pitt.

Starting over and rebuilding is what the Commanders keep doing and even with big names yet have done nothing expect put players in a situation where they are constantly learning new systems. Only thing some of us are not accepting is Knee Jerk reaction after a bad loss.

...new systems, new coaches, new players...a revolving door and no opportunity for consistency...

...the most difficult part about this thread is the extreme marginalization of what Dallas accomplished down the stretch and into the playoffs...and if it had'nt been for the emergence of Miles Austin this team would'nt have made the playoffs...this year was a transition year for the offense and no one can claim to have forseen how it would bounce back from the removal of Owens...in many ways Austin has moved the Cowboys forward a step when they initially looked to have lost a step on offense...in many ways, he saved the season, he just needs a full season and comparable production opposite of him...

...the importance of good offensive line play just falls on deaf ears for some...me and my wife kinda had a little tit for tat yesterday when she opined that Romo lost the game...when you are getting sacked 6 times and hit +20 you're going to play a bad game...everyone here watched Dallas destroy Philly's line TWICE and the result of it but still can't wrap their minds around what happened sunday at the metrodome...the obvious being the big guys who eschew the cameras and the notepads...

...if the Cowboys go how Romo goes then surely that extends to the play of the offensive line, particularly Adams and Columbo...losing both [effectively] in one game is something Aaron Rodgers was forced to painfully deal with early in the season and it was'nt until they started adjusting the offense that they turned things around...they are lucky they found the answer before Rodgers was lost due to injury...
 

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burmafrd;3245035 said:
Wade was probably the best available at the time though Norv has looked better then what I thought he would in San Diego. But that was then and this is now and Jerruh wants us to think that Wade is the BEST COACH THAT CAN BE GOTTEN TO COACH THE COWBOYS?

and the similarity between Wade and Norv is striking.

I just don't see that either one of them has the capacity to go further than they have.

I'm sure you guys saw Norv's decision to go for an on side kick toward the end of the game. I have no idea what he was thinking.

It's like any other job...everyone has a ceiling. Wade has been around long enough to have demonstrated what his is...and I'm afraid, it ain't being a super bowl winning coach.

We'll all keep rooting though. That's what we do.
 
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