Jerry Jones as GM over the last 12 years

[zrinkill]

I don't think anyone on here want Jerry to sell the team

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133178

:laugh2:

 

[smoovb]

I don't think anyone on here want Jerry to sell the team, I think everyone really appreciates what he does as the owner, but lots are sick of him as GM.

Selling the team is a ridiculous notion. And I would agree most believe Jimmy built our SB teams. But I say Jerry was then, an inexperienced owner/GM who looked for guidance. And that was a brilliant move! However, once his ego got in the way I think he truly believed he knew how to go at it alone. And boy did he learn his lesson. Enter BP. Seems Jerry went back to a familiar formula he knew would pay dividends (sort of). But after many years, ups and downs, I think he does a fairly okay job (see the past 2 draft classes). But I would point out that Jerry works best with a strong, football-mined, coach in the draft room. Hiring someone like Bill Cowher to be a consultant during these times makes pretty good sense to me. Not as a GM or coach, but a consultant. Just wanted to be clear on that last point.

 

[utrunner07]

(see the past 2 draft classes). But I would point out that Jerry works best with a strong, football-mined, coach in the draft room. Hiring someone like Bill Cowher to be a consultant during these times makes pretty good sense to me. Not as a GM or coach, but a consultant. Just wanted to be clear on that last point.

Too early to evaluate last two years drafts...but one thing to notice is the oline picks are turning out to suck...big problem...

a consultant? really? like that would work, why would Cowher want to do that?
A strong head coach? ugh....its just not going to happen as long as jerry is gm.

 

[Nors]

BP/JJ on that tarmac on Long Island negotiating final football decisions (GM). Parcells had it with an unspoken agreement.

HIRE AND TRUST YOUR FOOTBALL PEOPLE
He has it all backwards now and is going to scapegoat others for a lot of his collective moves as post Parcells era kicks in.

 

[Nors]

Who is perfect at the draft? NO ONE

Parcells genius was accepting a mistake and moving on. And wise to say hay - Romo, Ferguson, Ratliff's of the world offset that.

Far worse to do what JJ does is draft bad players and hang onto them too long AND then overpay them...... Over time that kills your 53 and practice squad and dilutes team long term.

 

[smoovb]

Too early to evaluate last two years drafts...but one thing to notice is the oline picks are turning out to suck...big problem...

a consultant? really? like that would work, why would Cowher want to do that?
A strong head coach? ugh....its just not going to happen as long as jerry is gm.

Yeah I hear you on the O-line. They be sucking pretty bad these days.

But hear me out on the draft day thing. I simply plucked Bill Cowher out of my head. Im not inferring he should be the guy. What Im trying to say is Jerry drafts well when under the right influence and guidance. Im not sure who the buddah on the mountain is these days, but we all know Jerry has the heart and the balls to do what ever is necessary to win. But he himself, most recently, has said his passion blinds him.

I think it is fair to say the past 2 classes are still under evaluation. But this team presently lacks "it". What is "it"? I say "it" isnt talent. I say "it" is character. Now 95% of that responsibility falls to the owner/GM and coaches to select their players. The other 5% falls to the players themselves.

 

[stiletto]

Point is that the same guys who rag on Jerry give Jimmy all the credit for those teams ..... yet without Jerry, Jimmy was able to do nothing.

If you take away Jerry's accomplishments with Jimmy

You have to take away Jimmy's accomplishments with Jerry.

Its only fair.

It's A LOT easier to write checks than it is to lead men into battle....Is kind of like saying, who would you give credit to Eisenhower or people at the Pentagon that paid for the landing boats??

 

[CowboyMark]

Jerry would have been fired during Campo's era. 12 years without a playoff win. Bad trades(Galloway). Poor drafts 96-01. Revolving door of head coaches and quarterbacks. Jerry would have been praised during the super bowl years. Yet heavily bashed during the terrible years. Plain and simple Jerry would not be here is he was just the GM. But hes not and it sucks. We are stuck with him for a long time to come(unless he passes soon. god forbid)

 

[DawnOfANewD]

Pretty amazing.

Before the season starts, Jerry is a God who has bestowed on us humble Cowboys acolytes an amazing team and the gift of a new stadium while we prostrate ourselves before him offering praise and adulation.

7 games into the season, Jerry's a senile totally incompetent PR-hungry egotistical sociopathic ******* lol.

With "fans" like these, who needs enemies?

 

[28 Joker]

Jerry Jones brought in Bill Parcells. That was a great move. Parcells was needed in the organization, and he helped rebuild the organization.

However, if you look at Parcells' 2006 draft, it wasn't very good at all. We took Bobby Carpenter at # 18 and left an athlete like Cromartie on the board. He took Anthony Fasano in the second. Fasano wan't cutting it for Jason Garrett, and he let a TD pass go right through his hands and hit his facemask in the playoff game last year. If he catches it, Dallas probably wins. He took Jason Hatcher in the third. Of all the players, this is the guy who had the most promise, but he doesn't look physical enough when I watch him. Skyler Green in the fourth. Montavious Stanley in the sixth..

Look what Jerry Jones did in the 2007 draft and free agency:

Leonard Davis
Andre Gurode (locked him up)
Tony Romo (locked him up)
Ken Hamlin (Parcells tried to plug the hole with a 5th round pick)
T.O. (2006 was Jerry's move)
Anthony Spencer
Cleveland's 2008 1st round pick
Nick Folk
Courtney Brown


Where Jerry Jones made his mistake in the 2007 draft was keeping Jeff Ireland around after the horrible 2006 draft. Drafting Free and Marten based on Parcells' template for offensive linemen was a big mistake, and it hurt this draft, big time. Those are wasted fourth and third round picks. Drafting Stanback in the fourth was risky. That was Ireland, too. We'll see how that turns out. I still have some hope for Hathcher. He seemed to play real well on the inside in the 4-2-5 when Parcells was the coach.

2008

Terence Newman (locked up)
Ken Hamlin (locked up)
Jay Ratliff (locked up)
Flozel Adams (locked up)
T.O. (locked up)
Felix Jones
Mike Jenkins
Martellus Bennett
Orlando Scandrick
Tashard Choice
Zach Thomas
Pacman Jones

I didn't put this up to bash Parcells. I put it up to show that Jerry Jones has done his part to add and keep the talent he already had. I don't know what else he could do as far as acquiring the players. He can't help it if injuries hit the team, and he doesn't play in the games.

I'm simply high-lighting Jerry Jones' hunger to win. He spends the money on his proven players and stars, and that gives you a chance every Sunday.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I was listening to Dale Hansen while coming home from working out.

He made statement that was kind of interesting. He stated that no GM in the league would still have a job if the team they presided over hadn't won a playoff game in 12 Seasons.

I think it is a little unfair, but that is an interesting point.

Discuss?

The job of the G.M. is to stock the team with talented players, on PAPER, we CLEARLY have the most talented team the NFL has seen in the longest time, I mean, we had 13 pro-bowlers, had a few who could of made the pro-bowl, have some great rookies with Felix Jones, and brought in another pro-bowler in Zach Thomas and a possible pro-bowler but trouble maker Pacman Jones, and yet ANOTHER PRO-BOWLER in Roy Williams, not only has Jerry done a great job as G.M. for building talent, but Id' have to say this could be the most talented team on PAPER as the NFL has ever seen almost, I mean think about it, how many pro-bowlers did we have?? 13?
Add in Zach Tho9mas and Roy Williams tha'ts 15 pro-bowlers, plus a few players who could of been pro-bowlers but didn't make it and players like Felix jones and Jay Ratliff in round 7, and this team is just INSANELY AWESOME on PAPER, problem is the coachign sucks right now, Stewart looks liek a deer caught int he headlights with no clue how to utilize the talent on defense and I'm even qustioning Garrett since he has a gameplan and NEVER adjusts to what's not working.
But this post is about Jerry the G.M., the G.M. is suppsoed to stockpile your team with talented players, and we coudl have the most taleted team in NFL history almost right now, and the scary thing is, we're YOUNG and onyl gonna get better.
Do you realzie for the next 5 years we don't need to draft a Q.B./R.B./T.E./W.R.???????
That means for the next 5 years all we'll be drafting is O-lineman and ALL DEFENSE, it's crazy how much better this team is gonna get EVERY YEAR over the next 3-5 years.
Right now Jerry shoudl win G.M. of the decade REGARDLESS of not winning a playoff team by the way he's built this team the way it stands now to be a DYNASTY and win a few superbbolws in the next 5 years.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Resume 19 years GM

3 Superbowl Championships
3 NFC Championships
7 NFC East Championships
11 winning seasons
11 playoff seasons

EXACTLY....lets subtract Jimmy's 3 Superbowl/NFC Championships/etc... and you are left with: 0 Superbowls, O-NFC Championships, etc...

So wtih this team Jerrty built now to win about 2-3 superbowls over the next 6 years, if we win 2 more the next 6 years, it will be all Tuna's doing and the other superbolws will be all jimmy's right?

How did Jimmy do in Miami with his drafting once he had FULL CONTROL of the draft?

Oh yeah, he CRAPPED OUT!

 

[Boysboy]

So wtih this team Jerrty built now to win about 2-3 superbowls over the next 6 years, if we win 2 more the next 6 years, it will be all Tuna's doing and the other superbolws will be all jimmy's right?

How did Jimmy do in Miami with his drafting once he had FULL CONTROL of the draft?

Oh yeah, he CRAPPED OUT!

That's b/c he didn't have the luxury of a Herschel Walker trade in Miami. He DID build quite a D there that lasted for years even after he left, but that Fins O was poopie to say the least. None of his RBs were even close to Emmitt.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

That's b/c he didn't have the luxury of a Herschel Walker trade in Miami. He DID build quite a D there that lasted for years even after he left, but that Fins O was poopie to say the least. None of his RBs were even close to Emmitt.

Oh I know, when you get three extra 1st round picks, 3 extra 2nd rounders nd three extra 3rd rounders to go with drafting Aikman and already having Irvin, I'd say a BLIND MAN could of built a dynasty, anyone EXCEPT Matt Millen that is.

 

[scottsp]

I was listening to Dale Hansen while coming home from working out.

He made statement that was kind of interesting. He stated that no GM in the league would still have a job if the team they presided over hadn't won a playoff game in 12 Seasons.

I think it is a little unfair, but that is an interesting point.

Discuss?

Hey, Mick. Interesting thing about this assessment from Hansen, I recall him stating the same thing 3 years ago on The Ticket. The same exact thing except it was 9 years since a playoff win - at the time.

I have problems with Hansen, and I'm not 100 percent sure how I feel about this particular sentiment. We hear about how many "Pro Bowlers" were on this team, but what exactly does that mean?

A collection of talent doesn't necessarily make a good football team. It's tough to argue what Jerry has assembled on the roster as being insufficient from a talent standpoint. On paper, it looks formidable. On paper.

The drafts over the years have brought mixed reviews, but certainly better of late.

My only concern at this point would be the working relationship with a head coach. Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips. To a man, they say no one is better to work with than Jerry Jones. But would they all say it was their team to coach?

I have no doubt Jerry Jones' will to win is there. The man would mortgage whatever he could to bring a sixth title to town. But he only knows one way: socks-to-jocks.

Talent on its own is not enough.

I believe, only the Lions have gone longer without playoff success. Someone feel free to correct that if it's not the case. Any way you cut it, 12 years is a long time.