Jerry Jones Has Finally Learned How To Be GM

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Great posts on this. It became pretty evident to me that Stephen was assuming more control a couple of years ago, and that he was finally able to provide a voice of reason that Jerry would listen too when it came to not pulling the trigger on something stupid. The Manziel situation was the ultimate test for the changed front office and they passed it and the team and fanbase were rewarded with an all pro rookie. Jerry still has the final say, but he is indeed now following The Vision and listening to his staff/son.
 

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Great posts on this. It became pretty evident to me that Stephen was assuming more control a couple of years ago, and that he was finally able to provide a voice of reason that Jerry would listen too when it came to not pulling the trigger on something stupid. The Manziel situation was the ultimate test for the changed front office and they passed it and the team and fanbase were rewarded with an all pro rookie. Jerry still has the final say, but he is indeed now following The Vision and listening to his staff/son.

I just hope that the Cowboys will be able to retain Will McClay in the near future.
 

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I once was a writer for the Blotter Report's Cowboy board, but was banned because I wouldn't stay quiet on slandering Jerry. Period. I stood up for him, and now as well. He has been a journey, but most in the NFL is that to begin with. Parody requires intelligence, and even a little luck. Both are found in Jerry and his team, the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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I wrote this in another thread, but wanted to make its own thread to see what people feel about Jerry the GM in recent years.

He has definitely done much better since 2010. He is still the final decision maker but IMO, he simply trusts someone for a change.

Here is what I wrote:

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Of all of Jerry's faults, one that I can't say is that he doesn't learn. The guy makes his mistakes but once he's realized he was doing it wrong, he will change more quickly than most.

From Jimmy's exit until Parcells arrived, Jerry thought he knew what he was doing, IMO. He thought he had put together a 3-time super bowl champion and knew how to do it.

By the time he hired Parcells, I think Jerry realized he was on the wrong path and knew he needed some help. Bill showed Jerry a lot about drafting and how to oversee pro personnel department. There was a definite change in Jerry's methods after Parcells. He still wasn't doing great but he had made changes that have been permanent. He never went back to where he was prior to Bill.

He made a bad hire in Phillips as coach and the 2009 draft was and still is an abomination... but when Garrett came in, Jerry had two guys who he truly listened to in Jason and Stephen.

Jerry has always been the final decision maker and he still is. The difference, IMO, is that prior to 2010 he would listen to the coaches and scouts and then try to pick the best player for the Cowboys. It was much closer to drafting for need than BPA, I think. It was a collaborative effort, just like Jerry always said... but the problems were that:

1. He was forcing too much for need, letting better players like Shady McCoy get past him.

2. He would project players too much, IMO. Looking at what they could be and not what they were. Guys like Jason Williams and Akwasi-Owusu-Ansah are examples of this.

3. He considered himself a wheeler-Dealer, and liked to try to get cute instead of just picking the best player.

4. This is the big one, IMO... he didn't really have a vision and a direction for the franchise, so his personnel decision were willy-nilly and was Jerry taking who he thought fit a need. In other words, he didn't take a global view of the team and its needs. It was just, "Our weakest link on defense is a CB, so lets get the best corner we can in the draft." He would then listen to everyone to come to a group decision on the best CB and draft him. No real vision of the direction of the team. No plan laid out on who they wanted the team to be, how they wanted to play, or what kind of player they wanted to bring in. He would spend freely on big name free agents because they were good players, but how they fit and what they were going to do to the cap long term wasn't a consideration necessarily.

You can't really blame Jerry entirely for Dallas being a rudderless ship in the night because the biggest piece he needed to make that stop was a head coach that he completely trusted. Switzer, Gailey, and Campo were just glorified coordinators who truly just coached up whoever Jerry brought in. They didn't have much of a vision for the team and if they did, I don't think Jerry would have trusted them enough to follow it.

Then came Parcells. He was a hell of a coach and knew how to structure a scouting department. He knew the type of players he wanted and he indeed did give some direction to the franchise. Jerry trusted him too. The problem was that he was always going to be a short-timer in Dallas. Even if you don't consider that Parcells always grew tired of a situation, his age meant he wasn't going to be there long.

Then, the Wade Phillips era began and while Jerry had indeed learned a lot from Parcells, the ship was again rudderless. Jerry didn't trust him with anything more than the defense and with no direction and nobody that he really trusted other than Stephen, the personnel decision were still being made in a scattered, helter-skelter sort of way.

Then, along comes Garrett. Jerry likes him. Likes him a lot. Not only that though, Jerry knows that Jason is smarter than him. The best thing of all though is that Garrett has a true, long-term vision for the team and the kind of players he wants to bring in. He tells Jerry that he wants a young team. He wants to build in the trenches and have a team that looks more like the early 90's Cowboys. A physical team full of guys that love to play the game and to whom winning is very important. The kind of guys Jason wants is more important than the position they play at. Spending free agent money only on young guys who still have their prime ahead of them so they can play out their entire contract. Big name guys who had a couple of good years left weren't the way he wanted to go. Those kind of contracts will kill your cap in the long run and you always have an old roster. Let go of your old stars when they are no longer worth the money they make.

He wanted older guys like Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, Marc Colombo, Roy Williams, and eventually guys like Demarcus Ware and Jason Hatcher, gone. Draft BPA so when you don't pay age, you have a replacement. Get guys who want to win as much as Jason, Stephen and Jerry. Physical, young guys who wear out the other team by the 4th, instead of petering out themselves.

Finally, they had a plan. A vision for not only the kind of team they wanted to be... but the kind of franchise they wanted to be.

Stephen Jones bought it, IMO and with the two of them pointing the way... Jerry was simply convinced that it was the best thing for the franchise.

So finally, after all these years, Jerry fully bought in to someone else's vision for the team. It took a coach who he completely trusted and his son, who he had grown to trust over the years to get him to follow them, but he finally did it.

Now, I think Jerry sees the fruits of that vision. He sees how being frugal with dollars, and getting lower priced free agents is helping the franchise. He sees the toughness of the team and the talent put together from 5 years of drafting BPA, and he loves it.

Frankly, I don't think you could get Jerry to abandon that vision no matter how hard you tried now. He bought into it and he has seen the results. I think Jerry has, after all of these years, and with a lot of help from Jason and Stephen, finally learned how to be a GM.

Jerry has backed off and got out of the way. If not, things wouldn't have changed. Stephen seems to listen to real football people without overruling them. Jerry is just a figurehead the last couple of years. I appreciate your post, but it is not comicated.
 

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Jerry has backed off and got out of the way. If not, things wouldn't have changed. Stephen seems to listen to real football people without overruling them. Jerry is just a figurehead the last couple of years. I appreciate your post, but it is not comicated.

But backing off when it's his money - that shows restraint and improved judgement.
 

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Jerry has backed off and got out of the way. If not, things wouldn't have changed.

Yes he has, I agree. He wouldn't back off if he didn't feel like Jason's and Stephen's vision and direction for the franchise weren't the right way.

Jerry trusts them and follows their advice in the draft and in free agency because they have convinced him their plan is the right way.

In other words... Jerry is still the final decision maker and the guy who pulls the trigger... but he is taking their advice and getting the kind of players they want. He still is doing what he wants, only now he wants to do what Garrett and Stephen want.
 

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There were folks that posted that "Stephen would be Jerry 2" inferring disjointed club management.

I've yet to see that.
 

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Jerry is the same as always. The only difference is the people he has surrounded himself with. Better people = better decisions. It will be no different when Stephen takes the helm. If he hires a Campo or Lacewell type, he will make crap decisions. However, as long as he keeps the Garretts and McClay types in the inner circle he will continue to make great decisions.
 

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But backing off when it's his money - that shows restraint and improved judgement.

I think it is Strohen that is the tight-wad. Remember, Strphen was the one that about stroked when Jerry signed Sanders years ago to the 21 million dollar deal. He has shown that he is conservative with the money.
 

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I think it is Strohen that is the tight-wad. Remember, Strphen was the one that about stroked when Jerry signed Sanders years ago to the 21 million dollar deal. He has shown that he is conservative with the money.
 

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Nice post but I think you're missing some of the context.

I think this team was hit hard by free agency and the salary cap era, but it was also hit hard by a missed opportunity, namely Randy Moss. I think if we draft Randy Moss, Aikman ends up playing longer and healthier, and who knows maybe events unfold differently and Irvin isn't hurt. Either way, I think Jerry knew the window was closing on that team.

This team didn't collapse immediately after winning the Super Bowl. It took some time, the year before we traded for Joey Gallloway we went 8-8. We had a good offense and a good defense, but the offense wasn't good enough without a premier wide receiver, and ultimately we got beat by the team that took Moss.

The thinking going into the next year was we get Joey Galloway and combine him with Rocket Ismail and we might have something again. Joey Galloway had just had 3 1000 yard seasons with the Seahawks and 1 that was very close. He got hurt in the first game, and ultimately injuries would catch up to Aikman. I don't think this was a bad move, what was a bad move however was Parcells letting Joey Galloway go in a trade with Keyshawn Johnson. That was definitely a Parcells move. Galloway would quickly return to form in Tampa Bay, while Johnson was never much of a player here. The trade was costly, but it wasn't a mistake.

The problem was that it had a lot of risk involved, and as a result prevented us from immediately drafting a replacement for Aikman, not that any of those players would have likely worked out here, something that is often ignored, though you could argue we could have drafted Drew Brees in 2001, but I think we still could have done that had we traded up for him.

Switzer was a glorified coordinator? You mean the three time NCAA championship winning coach? Chan Gailey was a D2 national champ and was the offensive coordinator for the Steelers.

A lot of Jerry's gambles didn't pay off, but I think there is a lot of hindsight here and a lot of unfortunate circumstances that prevented this team from really taking it to the next level.

A lot of people credit Parcells with the recovery of the franchise, but I think he held it back with the move from the 3-4, I think his draft selections of Spears and Carpenter were terrible. I think Parcells seriously lucked out in finding Romo, something I give credit to Sean Payton for over Parcells. I think he built a 80s style 3-4 defense that wasn't prepared to stand up in today's pass heavy offensive era.

I think the scouts and Jerry lost a lot of years that could have been put together helping Romo.

And with all of this I think Jerry still built a lot of good teams. 2007, 2009, and 2011 were all pretty good teams.

There are a lot of teams that have tried to build themselves through the draft and are stuck trying to put things together. Jerry has tried to keep this team competitive, and maybe that hurt us in the long term, but I'm not going to blame him for trying to win.
 

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Hard to say this definitively when Jason Garrett is our coach and there's a decent percentage chance that Darren McFadden starts for this team.
 

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People have also written this narrative that Jerry Jones is no longer involved. They use him as a caricature to blame all the bad decisions, but don't give him credit for the good ones.

Did he listen to football guys when he skipped drafting Moss? Or was that his idea? Cause I can tell you that definitely cost us another super bowl or two or three...
 

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That's definitely not true. There are plenty of guys in this league who are talented, but maybe lazy going half speed on plays, not good locker room guys, guys who don't want to buy into the program. Those are the guys who garret will keep away from this team. Non RKG

I agree there are some coasters but aren't generally "coveted" by other teams for the same reason. No one wants that type of player, etc.
 

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Yeah... Do the opposite.
:D Nice ref.

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Nice post but I think you're missing some of the context.

I think this team was hit hard by free agency and the salary cap era, but it was also hit hard by a missed opportunity, namely Randy Moss. I think if we draft Randy Moss, Aikman ends up playing longer and healthier, and who knows maybe events unfold differently and Irvin isn't hurt. Either way, I think Jerry knew the window was closing on that team.

This team didn't collapse immediately after winning the Super Bowl. It took some time, the year before we traded for Joey Gallloway we went 8-8. We had a good offense and a good defense, but the offense wasn't good enough without a premier wide receiver, and ultimately we got beat by the team that took Moss.

The thinking going into the next year was we get Joey Galloway and combine him with Rocket Ismail and we might have something again. Joey Galloway had just had 3 1000 yard seasons with the Seahawks and 1 that was very close. He got hurt in the first game, and ultimately injuries would catch up to Aikman. I don't think this was a bad move, what was a bad move however was Parcells letting Joey Galloway go in a trade with Keyshawn Johnson. That was definitely a Parcells move. Galloway would quickly return to form in Tampa Bay, while Johnson was never much of a player here. The trade was costly, but it wasn't a mistake.

The problem was that it had a lot of risk involved, and as a result prevented us from immediately drafting a replacement for Aikman, not that any of those players would have likely worked out here, something that is often ignored, though you could argue we could have drafted Drew Brees in 2001, but I think we still could have done that had we traded up for him.

Switzer was a glorified coordinator? You mean the three time NCAA championship winning coach? Chan Gailey was a D2 national champ and was the offensive coordinator for the Steelers.

A lot of Jerry's gambles didn't pay off, but I think there is a lot of hindsight here and a lot of unfortunate circumstances that prevented this team from really taking it to the next level.

A lot of people credit Parcells with the recovery of the franchise, but I think he held it back with the move from the 3-4, I think his draft selections of Spears and Carpenter were terrible. I think Parcells seriously lucked out in finding Romo, something I give credit to Sean Payton for over Parcells. I think he built a 80s style 3-4 defense that wasn't prepared to stand up in today's pass heavy offensive era.

I think the scouts and Jerry lost a lot of years that could have been put together helping Romo.

And with all of this I think Jerry still built a lot of good teams. 2007, 2009, and 2011 were all pretty good teams.

There are a lot of teams that have tried to build themselves through the draft and are stuck trying to put things together. Jerry has tried to keep this team competitive, and maybe that hurt us in the long term, but I'm not going to blame him for trying to win.

It was a bad trade bc Troy never wanted the speed WR as his #1 (delay in opening). Troy does remind me of Warner in that he could have adapted (his accuracy is unmatched to this day) but Troy didn't like small Wr's, etc. That alone should have negated the trade; looked even worse considering we got Rocket the next off season. We had two of the same as the 1 and 2 but didn't have the offensive creativity to make that work, etc. Revisionist history I know, but still stings!
 
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