Jerry Jones just explained everything during the press conference

[Galian Beast]

Jerry is a liar.There is no way they had Frederick,Escobar,and Williams ranked as the 22nd-27th players on their board.If that is true,that tells you everything you need to know about this organization.By saying that,he's basically telling every Cowboy fan out there that he thinks they're stupid.That they will buy into it.

I'm not quite sure that is what he meant. I'll have to go back and listen to what he said.

That being said, I know people didn't believe that they had a first round grade on Sean Lee... but how did that turn out?

 

[Galian Beast]

Doesn't fit our defense? Why's he on the board then? I'm not even that high on Floyd, I'm talking from a draft strategy standpoint.

All the players are going to be on the board if they received a grade from the scouting department. I don't think that necessarily means that they are a fit for our scheme.

It's like you aren't going to draft a 3-4 inside linebacker and expect him to play well in the tampa 2... It's just not going to happen.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't get it. You have a 1st round grade on Floyd, he's there for your pick and you trade away from talent so you can get a WR later in the draft? What kind of draft strategy is that?

According to Cowboys logic, they essentially got the 22nd- and 23rd-best players in the draft for not taking the 7th-best. Two second-rounders, by their rankings, instead of one first.

I think the strategy was 1) we want an offensive lineman and 2) this draft is deep with solid prospects and we can get two guys we rate as second-round values with this trade down.

One "stud" we didn't really want vs. two solid starters we did.

 

[hra8700]

Doesn't fit our defense? Why's he on the board then? I'm not even that high on Floyd, I'm talking from a draft strategy standpoint.

1. My original post was a misinterpretation, the strategy was not predicated on getting williams in the 3rd, that was happy chance.

2. It has never been confirmed by anyone real that we had a 1st round grade on floyd, thats just speculation. Jerry made comments yesterday indicating we werent confident he could be a fast twitch 3 tech.

 

[TheCount]

1. My original post was a misinterpretation, the strategy was not predicated on getting williams in the 3rd, that was happy chance.

2. It has never been confirmed by anyone real that we had a 1st round grade on floyd, thats just speculation. Jerry made comments yesterday indicating we werent confident he could be a fast twitch 3 tech.

Broaddus seemed pretty sure Floyd was on the board. I believe he even gave a number, but he may be misinformed, of course.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I have to ask - If tight end was a need position according to our board why in the world did we pass on perhaps one of the best TE's to come out in years and who was above reproach in his personal evaluation in round one when we still could've got our center most likely in round two since no other center has come off the board. Essentially we have to buy into the fact that Frederick is THAT much better than everybody else? And then we have to believe that Escobar fits our scheme better than Eifert? Really?

Well if he does great, but all you had to do was see the faces of death in the War Room when we made the trade to know this is not the way they wanted it to go down. Especially, Jason, he was not happy. The organization simply cannot try to sell to fans that they handled the first two selections very well. Even Mickey was at a loss in trying to explain it.

But...we won't know for a couple of years maybe they'll both be great and maybe there's a Hall of Famer waiting in the 5th round so let's hope for the best.

 

[Galian Beast]

I have to ask - If tight end was a need position according to our board why in the world did we pass on perhaps one of the best TE's to come out in years and who was above reproach in his personal evaluation in round one when we still could've got our center most likely in round two since no other center has come off the board. Essentially we have to buy into the fact that Frederick is THAT much better than everybody else? And then we have to believe that Escobar fits our scheme better than Eifert? Really?

Well if he does great, but all you had to do was see the faces of death in the War Room when we made the trade to know this is not the way they wanted it to go down. Especially, Jason, he was not happy. The organization simply cannot try to sell to fans that they handled the first two selections very well. Even Mickey was at a loss in trying to explain it.

But...we won't know for a couple of years maybe they'll both be great and maybe there's a Hall of Famer waiting in the 5th round so let's hope for the best.

Frederick was the consensus best center in the draft. Compare his ranking with most other centers and you will see that while some places had Frederick ranked lower with the rest of the centers, some others had him rated much higher among other offensive linemen. Especially when you consider his rank among guards... where as most of the other centers aren't necessarily guards. You ignore this because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Drafting Escobar had nothing to do with Ertz and Eifert, but the reality is that Escobar was considered the best pass catching tight end in the draft. He had mroe touchdowns than both Ertz and Eifert. And he had more receiving yards than Eifert or Ertz (I can't remember which).

 

[TheCount]

All the players are going to be on the board if they received a grade from the scouting department. I don't think that necessarily means that they are a fit for our scheme.

It's like you aren't going to draft a 3-4 inside linebacker and expect him to play well in the tampa 2... It's just not going to happen.

You mean like Sean Lee?

Garrett proceeded to pout for 45 minutes after the trade down. An usual reaction if you're just passing up guys that can't play for you.

It's football, all these guys can help your team if you've graded them correctly. I can't think of any prospect I'd pass on because I'm running a particular scheme. Talent is talent.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I love that people are buying into this "Floyd can't play in a 4-3" just because Jerry said it. He throws out terms like "quick twitch" like he has any clue what the hell he is talking about. Just ridiculous.

 

[Ratmatt]

All the players are going to be on the board if they received a grade from the scouting department. I don't think that necessarily means that they are a fit for our scheme.

It's like you aren't going to draft a 3-4 inside linebacker and expect him to play well in the tampa 2... It's just not going to happen.

Minnesota plays the same defense under Leslie Frazier,and they took Floyd.The Cowboys are the only ones I've heard that don't think he fits the Tampa 2.If they didn't want him,that's fine,but quit treating people like their stupid,by making up
things.

 

[Galian Beast]

You mean like Sean Lee?

Garrett proceeded to pout for 45 minutes after the trade down. An usual reaction if you're just passing up guys that can't play for you.

It's football, all these guys can help your team if you've graded them correctly. I can't think of any prospect I'd pass on because I'm running a particular scheme. Talent is talent.

Sean Lee was a 4-3 linebacker in college, he wasn't a 3-4 inside linebacker.

 

[Galian Beast]

Minnesota plays the same defense under Leslie Frazier,and they took Floyd.The Cowboys are the only ones I've heard that don't think he fits the Tampa 2.If they didn't want him,that's fine,but quit treating people like their stupid,by making up
things.

I love that people are buying into this "Floyd can't play in a 4-3" just because Jerry said it. He throws out terms like "quick twitch" like he has any clue what the hell he is talking about. Just ridiculous.

Reading is fundamental.

No one said he couldn't play in a Tampa 2 or a 4-3.

What was said was that in our Tampa 2 we're putting a premium on 3 technique pass rushers, who can quickly get after the quarterback.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I love that people are buying into this "Floyd can't play in a 4-3" just because Jerry said it. He throws out terms like "quick twitch" like he has any clue what the hell he is talking about. Just ridiculous.

He had 4.5 sacks in 4 seasons of play and 3.5 of those sacks came in two bowl games. He is not a pass rusher, he just isn't.


The stats don't lie, Monte Kiffen wants pressure DTs that can shoot the gaps and put pressure on the QB.

Clearly Floyd has problems getting to the QB, the game tape doesn't lie and neither does his stats.

 

[deadrody]

The rational makes sense, obviously its now up to the players to deliver on the field. IIRC in the 2011 draft Jones said something like they had drafted three first rounds picks and a bunch of people called him an idiot - but if you look at Smith, Carter and DeMarco that is essentially what we came out of the draft with.

If that was our board and our scouts were right, we came of this draft with three (very late round) #1's and a #3. I believe in the rule of waiting three years to judge a draft, lets see how this one plays out.

You can say the same thing about Sean Lee and Bruce Carter. They both look a heckuva lot like first rounders to me. Granted they were both injured, but the fact is, their play on the field is what got them a first round grade.

 

[JerryFan]

He had 4.5 sacks in 4 seasons of play and 3.5 of those sacks came in two bowl games. He is not a pass rusher, he just isn't.


The stats don't lie, Monte Kiffen wants pressure DTs that can shoot the gaps and put pressure on the QB.

Clearly Floyd has problems getting to the QB, the game tape doesn't lie and neither does his stats.

Bingo and I honestly think we like our DT rotation better then what people think.

 

[Section446]

Good ole used car salesman, Jerry Jones selling to his flock that believes anything he says.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Good ole used car salesman, Jerry Jones selling to his flock that believes anything he says.

yeah, they're almost cult like in their parroting everything that blithering fool says, as if it's fact...:laugh1:

 

[9darter]

He had 4.5 sacks in 4 seasons of play and 3.5 of those sacks came in two bowl games. He is not a pass rusher, he just isn't.

Clearly Floyd has problems getting to the QB, the game tape doesn't lie and neither does his stats.

Yup. That's the reason he was never high on my board. At best he was a mid first rounder depending on your type of D.

 

[jobberone]

Some of you like to grouse even when there's nothing to grouse about. Jerry told you he didn't want to miss out on an interior lineman. While I'm not enamored by Frederick he is an anchor. I think he has a little problem with quick DTs at times and I don't like his work in space but he'll keep the point from collapsing very often. And I think he'll get some much needed push in the run game. So mission accomplished. It's not a first class finish but the best interior guys were gone.

Same thing applies to Escobar. Most of you have no idea how good this guy is going to be. You see TE by his name and immediately go into hysterics. He's not a prototypical TE. He's a hybrid and Jerry told you they were going to use him just like I said last nite. That's not because I'm a rocket scientist it's just because that's what people are doing with these huge WRs.

They had no secret plans to pick up Williams later. The guy was a 2-3 and was there so they took him. Solid pick.

If they're lucky they'll get an OT today and I'd like to pick up Fragel, Jones, or Faulk with Hurst and Marquardt possibles. I'd look for a RB and CB as well. There are some OTs that project to G.

 

[KB1122]

So they overrank players compared to the rest of the league and then they fist-bump when they are still there later in the draft?

Still doesn't explain trading down from 18 when the #7 player is still there.