Jerry Jones: Learning from mistakes?

[Juke99]

Someone explain to me how the lesson of having a horrible back up QB, like uh Babe Laufenberg, who cost us a shot at the playoffs when Aikman went down...was learned by Jerry?

With Jimmy around...short term...they learned. Beurelein was brought in...Steve Walsh was drafted..Kosar came in...Peete...all solid back up QBs

Fast forward...2007....we're back in contention...we are a playoff caliber team. The back up is Brad Johnson.

2008 the back up is still Brad Johnson.

The Cowboys lose to the Rams. BIG. That is what cost them the playoffs. (not that they would have had any success if we made it). Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

And we're supposed to trust that Jerry has learned?

 

[TNCowboy]

Someone explain to me how the lesson of having a horrible back up QB, like uh Babe Laufenberg, who cost us a shot at the playoffs when Aikman went down...was learned by Jerry?

With Jimmy around...short term...they learned. Beurelein was brought in...Steve Walsh was drafted..Kosar came in...Peete...all solid back up QBs

Fast forward...2007....we're back in contention...we are a playoff caliber team. The back up is Brad Johnson.

2008 the back up is still Brad Johnson.

The Cowboys lose to the Rams. BIG. That is what cost them the playoffs. (not that they would have had any success if we made it). Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

And we're supposed to trust that Jerry has learned?

I think Jerry ignored common sense and listened to Jason Garrett, who mostly just wanted to have his buddy Brad around.

 

[KingintheNorth]

While I never would have thought Jerry was dumb enough to bring back the guy who lost control of this team this past year, if he does not address the back-up QB issue this off-season he will be the worst GM in football. I'm talking Al Davis and Matt Millen bad.

 

[Alexander]

I think Jerry ignored common sense and listened to Jason Garrett, who mostly just wanted to have his buddy Brad around.

I agree somewhat.

But it is not like Jerry Jones' grasp of the QB position has been all that trustworthy over the years. Just think about the parade of clowns we have had and ask yourself, does Brad Johnson surprise you?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Someone explain to me how the lesson of having a horrible back up QB, like uh Babe Laufenberg, who cost us a shot at the playoffs when Aikman went down...was learned by Jerry?

With Jimmy around...short term...they learned. Beurelein was brought in...Steve Walsh was drafted..Kosar came in...Peete...all solid back up QBs

Fast forward...2007....we're back in contention...we are a playoff caliber team. The back up is Brad Johnson.

2008 the back up is still Brad Johnson.

The Cowboys lose to the Rams. BIG. That is what cost them the playoffs. (not that they would have had any success if we made it). Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

And we're supposed to trust that Jerry has learned?

Nobody expected Johnson to be that bad. He showed he could play in the pre-season. He IS a Superbowl winning QB. While that doesn't mean you're great, it says you can manage a game. As I said though. Nobody expected him to perform at such a poor level. If he is back next year, then their something to worry about. I seriously doubt he will be.

 

[chinch]

scary huh

:laugh2:

you can't use "logic" when examining jerruh's pathetic football moves. you simply have to laugh and realize it's out of any credible persons control.

Someone explain to me how the lesson of having a horrible back up QB, like uh Babe Laufenberg, who cost us a shot at the playoffs when Aikman went down...was learned by Jerry?

With Jimmy around...short term...they learned. Beurelein was brought in...Steve Walsh was drafted..Kosar came in...Peete...all solid back up QBs

Fast forward...2007....we're back in contention...we are a playoff caliber team. The back up is Brad Johnson.

2008 the back up is still Brad Johnson.

The Cowboys lose to the Rams. BIG. That is what cost them the playoffs. (not that they would have had any success if we made it). Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

And we're supposed to trust that Jerry has learned?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Someone explain to me how the lesson of having a horrible back up QB, like uh Babe Laufenberg, who cost us a shot at the playoffs when Aikman went down...was learned by Jerry?

With Jimmy around...short term...they learned. Beurelein was brought in...Steve Walsh was drafted..Kosar came in...Peete...all solid back up QBs

Fast forward...2007....we're back in contention...we are a playoff caliber team. The back up is Brad Johnson.

2008 the back up is still Brad Johnson.

The Cowboys lose to the Rams. BIG. That is what cost them the playoffs. (not that they would have had any success if we made it). Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

And we're supposed to trust that Jerry has learned?

While I agree we need a better backup... it did not cost us the playoffs.

 

[Alexander]

Nobody expected Johnson to be that bad.

They should have. They even had faith in him through the losses.

He showed he could play in the pre-season

Against Denver's substitutes. Coincidentally, Denver had one of the worse overall defenses in football.

He IS a Superbowl winning QB.

So is Trent Dilfer. It doesn't mean we should covet him as the backup. Brad Johnson was here as the result of professional nepotism. No other reason.

While that doesn't mean you're great, it says you can manage a game.

Managing a game doesn't mean you are just terrible but avoid mistakes. Occasionally, even a game manager has to make plays and be a leader. I would call Chad Pennington a game manager. But he made crucial plays when he needed to. He also played in an offense structured to his strengths. Brad Johnson didn't have a strength to design to and that is the staff's fault, not his.

As I said though. Nobody expected him to perform at such a poor level. If he is back next year, then their something to worry about. I seriously doubt he will be.

I think like Read, Johnson will be a symbolic mercy killing that will please the masses who blame him for an organizational embarassment in St. Louis.

I worry more about who else we get to be honest. I don't think we really have the tools in place to develop a young QB. That's why Wade Wilson should have been carpooling with Read over the weekend.

 

[Jon88]

Nobody expected Johnson to be that bad. He showed he could play in the pre-season. He IS a Superbowl winning QB. While that doesn't mean you're great, it says you can manage a game. As I said though. Nobody expected him to perform at such a poor level. If he is back next year, then their something to worry about. I seriously doubt he will be.

Johnson had the arm of an 8th grader in the games he played. Did he not have this same arm in training camp and in practice?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Nobody expected Johnson to be that bad. He showed he could play in the pre-season. He IS a Superbowl winning QB. While that doesn't mean you're great, it says you can manage a game. As I said though. Nobody expected him to perform at such a poor level. If he is back next year, then their something to worry about. I seriously doubt he will be.

Actually I disagree and I tell you what... I saw it but I still assumed he would play better when given the chance.

Brad has looked HORRIBLE while under center for us. I mean the arm looked COMPLETELY dead.

I was suprised. I thought we made out when we first got him. I was wrong.

 

[Batman]

Someone explain to me how the lesson of having a horrible back up QB, like uh Babe Laufenberg, who cost us a shot at the playoffs when Aikman went down...was learned by Jerry?

With Jimmy around...short term...they learned. Beurelein was brought in...Steve Walsh was drafted..Kosar came in...Peete...all solid back up QBs

Fast forward...2007....we're back in contention...we are a playoff caliber team. The back up is Brad Johnson.

2008 the back up is still Brad Johnson.

The Cowboys lose to the Rams. BIG. That is what cost them the playoffs. (not that they would have had any success if we made it). Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

And we're supposed to trust that Jerry has learned?

Jerry is a clueless GM as well as owner plain and simple. I look at Jerry as someone who has about the same football smarts and knowledge as those of us who post in this forum. I actually think some in here would make better GMs than Jerry would. Those of us who post in here are dedicated, loyal fans with a passion for the Cowboys. That decription of those who post in here would describe Jerry, except his giant ego comes 1st, then the Cowboys. Just because we are passionate, and we know more than most other fans, that does not mean we are qualified to be a GM of a football team. That pretty much sums it for Jerry as well.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Actually I disagree and I tell you what... I saw it but I still assumed he would play better when given the chance.

Brad has looked HORRIBLE while under center for us. I mean the arm looked COMPLETELY dead.

I was suprised. I thought we made out when we first got him. I was wrong.[/QUOTE]


You should use that phrase more often.



J/k

 

[Venger]

They should have. They even had faith in him through the losses.

...(good stuff snipped for brevity)...

I worry more about who else we get to be honest. I don't think we really have the tools in place to develop a young QB. That's why Wade Wilson should have been carpooling with Read over the weekend.

I agree with this brilliant post as if I had written it myself...

 

[Rampage]

the thread title made me:laugh2:

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Actually I disagree and I tell you what... I saw it but I still assumed he would play better when given the chance.

Brad has looked HORRIBLE while under center for us. I mean the arm looked COMPLETELY dead.

I was suprised. I thought we made out when we first got him. I was wrong.

You should use that phrase more often.



J/k

"so say we all"

 

[Hostile]

Babe Laufenberg was here under Jimmy too from 1989 to 1990. We needed 1 win in the final 2 games to be 8-8. Since we had beaten New Orleans, the other 8-8 NFC team we would have been the 6th seed.

Not sure how Jimmy gets a pass on Laufenberg, but Jerry gets blame. And then praise for Jimmy for a trade for Beuerlein when the GM makes the trades. I have never heard of a team calling a Head Coach to offer a trade. Now Jimmy may very well have been the impetus behind acquiring Beuerlein but the details would be the GM.

Babe was gone in 1991. Brad will be gone in 2009.

Not sure how 8-8 is better than 9-7.

Babe only started 1 game in 1990 though he played in 4.

If we bring Brad back in 2009 consider it Jerry did not learn. Until then I don't think this analogy is applicable at all.

 

[tunahelper]

Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

As bad as Brad Johnson is I think Babe was worse. He could barely stand straight up in the pocket back then. Remember the Falcons used what amounted to a punt block team defense (10 man LOS) against Dallas and Babe still could not throw it? Man he sucked!

 

[silver]

You guys forgot all about Vinny Vicenzo Testaverde stint here as the back up to Quincy Carter only to start throughout the year. Is that one on BP or Jerry?

 

[Doomsday101]

You guys forgot all about Vinny Vicenzo Testaverde stint here as the back up to Quincy Carter only to start throughout the year. Is that one on BP or Jerry?

I figure everything good was someone else and anything bad was Jerry at least that is what seems to be getting sold around here.

 

[MONT17]

Jimmy made ALL the football moves when he was in Dallas and to say other wise is just not true! besides the point was Jimmy did something about his backup... even after this year i doubt Jerry will improve the backup QB!

BTW, Jimmy would still be here if Jimmy were like Wade or Campo... Switzer do I need to go on?