Jerry Jones: Learning from mistakes?

[Dave_in-NC]

You guys forgot all about Vinny Vicenzo Testaverde stint here as the back up to Quincy Carter only to start throughout the year. Is that one on BP or Jerry?

You mean Couldn't put the pipe down Carter?

VT was brought here as a mentor. Carter smoked VT into a starter.

 

[silver]

VT was brought here as a mentor.

40 year old washed up mentor at that.

 

[Yeagermeister]

As bad as Brad Johnson is IMO he's still better than Babe. At least Brad managed to win a game.

 

[Alexander]

Babe Laufenberg was here under Jimmy too from 1989 to 1990. We needed 1 win in the final 2 games to be 8-8. Since we had beaten New Orleans, the other 8-8 NFC team we would have been the 6th seed.

Not sure how Jimmy gets a pass on Laufenberg, but Jerry gets blame. And then praise for Jimmy for a trade for Beuerlein when the GM makes the trades. I have never heard of a team calling a Head Coach to offer a trade. Now Jimmy may very well have been the impetus behind acquiring Beuerlein but the details would be the GM.

Babe was gone in 1991. Brad will be gone in 2009.

Not sure how 8-8 is better than 9-7.

Babe only started 1 game in 1990 though he played in 4.

If we bring Brad back in 2009 consider it Jerry did not learn. Until then I don't think this analogy is applicable at all.

At the beginning of the 1990 season, Steve Walsh was our backup, not Babe Laufenburg. Walsh was traded to the Saints in late September.

Brad Johnson was our backup from day one, for two years. Laufenburg wasn't. There is a distinct difference.

 

[Hostile]

You guys forgot all about Vinny Vicenzo Testaverde stint here as the back up to Quincy Carter only to start throughout the year. Is that one on BP or Jerry?

He was never going to be Q's backup. I knew Q was gone long before that August. He had to shine in Camp or they were moving on. Vinny was their insurance.

 

[Juke99]

Babe Laufenberg was here under Jimmy too from 1989 to 1990. We needed 1 win in the final 2 games to be 8-8. Since we had beaten New Orleans, the other 8-8 NFC team we would have been the 6th seed.

Not sure how Jimmy gets a pass on Laufenberg, but Jerry gets blame. And then praise for Jimmy for a trade for Beuerlein when the GM makes the trades. I have never heard of a team calling a Head Coach to offer a trade. Now Jimmy may very well have been the impetus behind acquiring Beuerlein but the details would be the GM.

Babe was gone in 1991. Brad will be gone in 2009.

Not sure how 8-8 is better than 9-7.

Babe only started 1 game in 1990 though he played in 4.

If we bring Brad back in 2009 consider it Jerry did not learn. Until then I don't think this analogy is applicable at all.

The point of my thread was LEARNING...not that they made a mistake with Laufenberg. Mistakes happen. When they happen twice, you haven't learned.

Obviously, Jimmy learned. Obviously, Jerry didnt.

Hos I am amazed at the number of passes you'll give Jerry.

There's been one constant for the past decade of disappointment.

Different head coaches.

Different assistant coaches.

Different QB's

Different players.

Different offensive systems.

Different defensive systems.

Defense went from 4-3 to 3-4.

And yet, each season has ended the same way...in disappointment.

What's the constant?

 

[Hostile]

At the beginning of the 1990 season, Steve Walsh was our backup, not Babe Laufenburg. Walsh was traded to the Saints in late September.

Brad Johnson was our backup from day one, for two years. Laufenburg wasn't. There is a distinct difference.

The only similarity is that the starters got injured. If Laufenberg was the 3rd guy then compare him to Bollinger not Johnson.

 

[BigDFan5]

I agree, Jerry should not have listened to the coaches, he should make all decisions without their input

err what?

 

[Yeagermeister]

The point of my thread was LEARNING...not that they made a mistake with Laufenberg. Mistakes happen. When they happen twice, you haven't learned.

Obviously, Jimmy learned. Obviously, Jerry didnt.

Hos I am amazed at the number of passes you'll give Jerry.

There's been one constant for the past decade of disappointment.

Different head coaches.

Different assistant coaches.

Different QB's

Different players.

Different offensive systems.

Different defensive systems.

Defense went from 4-3 to 3-4.

And yet, each season has ended the same way...in disappointment.

What's the constant?

Brain's hair? :laugh1:

 

[silver]

He was never going to be Q's backup. I knew Q was gone long before that August. He had to shine in Camp or they were moving on. Vinny was their insurance.

Anybody who saw him play for the Jets in 2003 knew he was done just as anybody who saw Johnson play for Minny in 2006 knew he was done also. Both of them showed their age before we brought them here. That, to me, is not good scouting or learning from past mistakes.

 

[Juke99]

Brain's hair? :laugh1:

Or perhaps the hare brain that is the GM?

 

[Hostile]

The point of my thread was LEARNING...not that they made a mistake with Laufenberg. Mistakes happen. When they happen twice, you haven't learned.

Obviously, Jimmy learned. Obviously, Jerry didnt.

Hos I am amazed at the number of passes you'll give Jerry.

There's been one constant for the past decade of disappointment.

Different head coaches.

Different assistant coaches.

Different QB's

Different players.

Different offensive systems.

Different defensive systems.

Defense went from 4-3 to 3-4.

And yet, each season has ended the same way...in disappointment.

What's the constant?

It isn't about passes I give Jerry.

I honestly do not think people who put the entire onus on Jerry like this are looking at the entire NFL.

You don't think I can't come up with stinker moves for Bill Polian and Scott Pioli? I promise you I can. I consider them to be the 2 best personnel guys in the NFL. Every GM makes mistakes and they make them more than once.

You can't tell me Jerry is the only GM in the NFL who has missed on backup QBs more than once. Please tell me that is not your contention.

If others have done it why do they not get branded for not learning?

The fan base is too focused on the team we love to look at the big picture. I don't find anything wrong with that, but I'm not going to hop on the train when it is traveling in only one direction and that direction may not be the right one.

It isn't about constants. There is no such thing as a constant in football, on any level.

Giving Jerry a Pass? Not on your life. But I'm not going to give the fanbase one either. Not when they are applying one standard to Jerry Jones. Apply it to him then you apply it to all 32 GMs.

That is being constant.

 

[Alexander]

The only similarity is that the starters got injured. If Laufenberg was the 3rd guy then compare him to Bollinger not Johnson.

You are splitting hairs about an analogy, while ignoring the real issue.

The bottom line here is that Mister Jones has no clue how to manage the QB position. In fact, you could almost say he learned nothing from having a great one in Aikman at all and that he undervalues the position.

All you have to do is list the ridiculous collection of QBs we have had in Cowboy uniforms post-Johnson and it is enough to make you cry.

 

[BigDFan5]

Anybody who saw him play for the Jets in 2003 knew he was done just as anybody who saw Johnson play for Minny in 2006 knew he was done also. Both of them showed their age before we brought them here. That, to me, is not good scouting or learning from past mistakes.

If you had a problem with Vinny your problem was with Parcells

 

[Juke99]

Anybody who saw him play for the Jets in 2003 knew he was done just as anybody who saw Johnson play for Minny in 2006 knew he was done also. Both of them showed their age before we brought them here. That, to me, is not good scouting or learning from past mistakes.

Johnson was SO bad in his three games that no one can tell me he looked good in practice.

If you're gonna be in charge, down to the jocks like Jerry has made clear, then the responsibility sits with him. And last I looked, he IS the GM.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You are splitting hairs about an analogy, while ignoring the real issue.

The bottom line here is that Mister Jones has no clue how to manage the QB position. In fact, you could almost say he learned nothing from having a great one in Aikman at all and that he undervalues the position.

All you have to do is list the ridiculous collection of QBs we have had in Cowboy uniforms post-Johnson and it is enough to make you cry.

Have a heart. Please don't.

 

[Alexander]

Have a heart. Please don't.

Ryan Leaf.

Clint Stoerner.

Quincy Carter.

Chad Hutchinson.



Okay, I will stop now.

 

[Juke99]

It isn't about passes I give Jerry.

I honestly do not think people who put the entire onus on Jerry like this are looking at the entire NFL.

You don't think I can't come up with stinker moves for Bill Polian and Scott Pioli? I promise you I can. I consider them to be the 2 best personnel guys in the NFL. Every GM makes mistakes and they make them more than once.

You can't tell me Jerry is the only GM in the NFL who has missed on backup QBs more than once. Please tell me that is not your contention.

If others have done it why do they not get branded for not learning?

The fan base is too focused on the team we love to look at the big picture. I don't find anything wrong with that, but I'm not going to hop on the train when it is traveling in only one direction and that direction may not be the right one.

It isn't about constants. There is no such thing as a constant in football, on any level.

Giving Jerry a Pass? Not on your life. But I'm not going to give the fanbase one either. Not when they are applying one standard to Jerry Jones. Apply it to him then you apply it to all 32 GMs.

That is being constant.

Not that Jerry will ever change but so long as enough fans hold this point of view, there isn't even the slightest of chances.

And I'll agree to disagree. Everything in life is about contants and patterns. We learn who we are and what we need to change by seeing our constants and patterns.

There is only ONE constant in over a decade of disappointment...Jerry and his meddling.

And sorry Hos, when you name 32 owners who are also GMs and marketing guys...and run every facet of an organization, then your argument will hold water. I don't have to apply the same standard to the others GMs...I have to apply the standard that Jerry has set for himself because he has separated himself from just about any other organization, in ALL sports, by the way he handles this one.

And Hos, since we're asking questions...let me ask you a question...You're the GM...you saw Brad Johnson in BOTH preseasons...and I can only imagine he looked the same in practice, is he your primary back up in a league where QB's drop every week? With a roster with THIS much talent? Are you going into 2007 and 2008 with Brad Johnson as your back up?

 

[Doomsday101]

Ryan Leaf.

Clint Stoerner.

Quincy Carter.

Chad Hutchinson.



Okay, I will stop now.

Cap problems had a lot to do with these QB's as Dallas was in no position to look for top prospect. Even Carter who was unwisely drafted the contract he was willing to accept played a big part in him going to Dallas. Guys like Leaf though came to Dallas at a cheap price with small risk long term about all Dallas could deal with considering the cap hell we were stuck in.

 

[BigDFan5]

Johnson was SO bad in his three games that no one can tell me he looked good in practice.

If you're gonna be in charge, down to the jocks like Jerry has made clear, then the responsibility sits with him. And last I looked, he IS the GM.

Just to make sure you are consistent. Was Jerry in Charge of all decisions since he bought the team, or only the bad ones?