Jerry Jones: Learning from mistakes?

[Alexander]

Cap problems had a lot to do with these QB's as Dallas was in no position to look for top prospect.

And who was responsible for the cap problems?

 

[Hostile]

Anybody who saw him play for the Jets in 2003 knew he was done just as anybody who saw Johnson play for Minny in 2006 knew he was done also. Both of them showed their age before we brought them here. That, to me, is not good scouting or learning from past mistakes.

What can I tell you? He could squat 400 pounds and was a friend of Bill.

 

[BigDFan5]

And who was responsible for the cap problems?

Philadelphias turf, and multiple concussions

 

[Doomsday101]

And who was responsible for the cap problems?

No question we had many top player with SB rings who were signed and we were still paying for them after they retired or forced to leave the game due to cronic injuries. Funny many praised Jerry for getting those same players resigned and ripped him for it later. That is what I call having your cake and eating it to.

 

[Hostile]

Not that Jerry will ever change but so long as enough fans hold this point of view, there isn't even the slightest of chances.

And I'll agree to disagree. Everything in life is about contants and patterns. We learn who we are and what we need to change by seeing our constants and patterns.

There is only ONE constant in over a decade of disappointment...Jerry and his meddling.

And sorry Hos, when you name 32 owners who are also GMs and marketing guys...and run every facet of an organization, then your argument will hold water. I don't have to apply the same standard to the others GMs...I have to apply the standard that Jerry has set for himself because he has separated himself from just about any other organization, in ALL sports, by the way he handles this one.

And Hos, since we're asking questions...let me ask you a question...You're the GM...you saw Brad Johnson in BOTH preseasons...and I can only imagine he looked the same in practice, is he your primary back up in a league where QB's drop every week? With a roster with THIS much talent? Are you going into 2007 and 2008 with Brad Johnson as your back up?

I don't need to name 32 owners who are GMs. You need to show me where 31 other GMs never make personnel mistakes like poor backup QBs.

I don't think you can. I don't think anyone can. Jerry is held to a higher standard than any other GM because he has failed for the team we love.

I never wanted Brad Johnson from the word go. What does that matter? Forgive me if I don't see the relevance of the question as it pertains to the point. Can you assure me that no other GM has ever had more than 1 bad backup?

If so, I will be all over wanting to hire that guy. I am on that bandwagon like a fat kid on cake. Good luck. That's a needle in a haystack.

I consider Tex Schramm the best GM in the History of the NFL. He gave me Steve Pelleur and Gary Hogeboom to root for. Not even Tex is above the standard set for Jerry.

 

[Juke99]

Just to make sure you are consistent. Was Jerry in Charge of all decisions since he bought the team, or only the bad ones?

Lemme try this one more time cuz this is my favorite annoyance here...people who respond to things that weren't said in the original thread....

Go back to the original thought in this thread..it's not about mistakes...it's about learning from them...and it is with regard to ONE thing, the back up QB...Brad Johnson.

When Jimmy was here, after they BOTH made the mistake of not having a good back up QB, the lesson was learned. When Jimmy left, the lesson was unlearned.

as far as your question, which was not on point to this thread...yes, Jerry gets all the credit either way. NO ONE can make a decision in this organization without Jerry's approval. An example, last year's draft...very good one. I'll gladly give the credit to Jerry.

And I will also give Jerry the blame for over a decade of disappointments.

 

[Juke99]

I don't need to name 32 owners who are GMs. You need to show me where 31 other GMs never make personnel mistakes like poor backup QBs.

I don't think you can. I don't think anyone can. Jerry is held to a higher standard than any other GM because he has failed for the team we love.

I never wanted Brad Johnson from the word go. What does that matter? Forgive me if I don't see the relevance of the question as it pertains to the point. Can you assure me that no other GM has ever had more than 1 bad backup?

If so, I will be all over wanting to hire that guy. I am on that bandwagon like a fat kid on cake. Good luck. That's a needle in a haystack.

I consider Tex Schramm the best GM in the History of the NFL. He gave me Steve Pelleur and Gary Hogeboom to root for. Not even Tex is above the standard set for Jerry.

I give up. You're not discussing the point I was trying to discuss.

Yes Hos...NO other GM's ever make a mistake. Only Jerry.

OK. Yeah, I'm that stupid. That's what I'm saying. :bang2:

 

[Hostile]

You are splitting hairs about an analogy, while ignoring the real issue.

The bottom line here is that Mister Jones has no clue how to manage the QB position. In fact, you could almost say he learned nothing from having a great one in Aikman at all and that he undervalues the position.

All you have to do is list the ridiculous collection of QBs we have had in Cowboy uniforms post-Johnson and it is enough to make you cry.

Not all of them Alexander. We had some decent QBs after Jimmy as well as the duds.

Could we have done more? You bet. I've hated that we haven't.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I give up. You're not discussing the point I was trying to discuss.

Yes Hos...NO other GM's ever make a mistake. Only Jerry.

OK. Yeah, I'm that stupid. That's what I'm saying. :bang2:

Dude have you seen your picture? I mean all any one has to do is look at your avatar.

 

[Hostile]

And who was responsible for the cap problems?

The NFL when they voted to do it. Once we got out of the initial cap hell when it was first instituted and we had expensive players, have we been back in it?

The cap has been fairly well managed once we got out of the initial handcuffs of it.

 

[Juke99]

Dude have you seen your picture? I mean all any one has to do is look at your avatar.

:laugh2: Hey...don't be knockin Marty.

 

[BigDFan5]

Lemme try this one more time cuz this is my favorite annoyance here...people who respond to things that weren't said in the original thread....

Go back to the original thought in this thread..it's not about mistakes...it's about learning from them...and it is with regard to ONE thing, the back up QB...Brad Johnson.

I responded to that already, the backup decision was made by Garrett, so unless you believe Jerry should ignore the coaches and decide everything on his own then how can you blame just him?

When Jimmy was here, after they BOTH made the mistake of not having a good back up QB, the lesson was learned. When Jimmy left, the lesson was unlearned.

as far as your question, which was not on point to this thread...yes, Jerry gets all the credit either way. NO ONE can make a decision in this organization without Jerry's approval. An example, last year's draft...very good one. I'll gladly give the credit to Jerry.

And I will also give Jerry the blame for over a decade of disappointments.

My question was just pertaining to the bolded part of the post I replied to. Just seeing if you were consistent, which it would appear you are except for saying Jerry learned from his mistakes early last year

 

[Doomsday101]

I give up. You're not discussing the point I was trying to discuss.

Yes Hos...NO other GM's ever make a mistake. Only Jerry.

OK. Yeah, I'm that stupid. That's what I'm saying. :bang2:

Jerry has changed many things in how Dallas operate, I don't think when he talked of change he was strickly talking backup QB. Yes many felt even those who cover the NFL that in a 2 or 3 game pinch a guy like Brad Johnson could do the job they were and Jerry was wrong, yet you make this out to be well Jerry has learned nothing? I think many things are being done better than before but no doubt Johnson situation did not pan out.

 

[gimmesix]

Someone explain to me how the lesson of having a horrible back up QB, like uh Babe Laufenberg, who cost us a shot at the playoffs when Aikman went down...was learned by Jerry?

With Jimmy around...short term...they learned. Beurelein was brought in...Steve Walsh was drafted..Kosar came in...Peete...all solid back up QBs

Fast forward...2007....we're back in contention...we are a playoff caliber team. The back up is Brad Johnson.

2008 the back up is still Brad Johnson.

The Cowboys lose to the Rams. BIG. That is what cost them the playoffs. (not that they would have had any success if we made it). Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen.

And we're supposed to trust that Jerry has learned?

I think Jerry believed that Johnson was more along the lines of Kosar and Peete — solid starters who became solid backups — than a never-was like Laufenberg. It's the fault of his trusted coaching staff for not correcting his belief, or for believing it themselves when Joe Average fan could tell that Johnson no longer had it.

I don't think this is a good example to use in trying to point out Jerry not learning from his mistakes. He went with the proven path, only to get burned by it. ... Keeping Johnson around, or turning to another complete washed-up vet, would be not learning from his mistakes.

 

[CowboyJeff]

..... Brad Johnson might be the worst back up quarterback I've ever seen....

You never saw Reggie Collier play. :laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

I give up. You're not discussing the point I was trying to discuss.

Yes Hos...NO other GM's ever make a mistake. Only Jerry.

OK. Yeah, I'm that stupid. That's what I'm saying. :bang2:

No, what you are saying is that Jerry makes mistakes and is accountable for them but other GMs make them and since they aren't owners they aren't accountable for them.

It doesn't work that way.

Football is a dynamic. At no point is Jerry going to bat 1.000. No GM or personnel man is. So to say Jerry goofed with Laufenberg and he didn't learn because he had a similar goof 17 years later with Brad Johnson is just insane.

You are basically telling me that any other GM would not make the Laufenberg mistake ever again. I don't buy that. I don't believe anyone walking the planet and shooting footballs out of his trash like a Juggs machine is that gifted.

There is no such thing as a fool proof GM. Sorry.

 

[silver]

Jerry the GM would have been fired after the Galloway/Campo/Quincy/Hutch fiasco if he wasnt the owner. And in his defense, was in essence fired for the BP tenure only to be rehired for this current turn.

 

[Dodger12]

Just to make sure you are consistent. Was Jerry in Charge of all decisions since he bought the team, or only the bad ones?

the backup decision was made by Garrett, so unless you believe Jerry should ignore the coaches and decide everything on his own then how can you blame just him?

At least you're consistant with passing the buck and blaming everyone but Jerry. But lets say that Johnson was JG's decision. Some people also posted that Johnson was JG's second choice for a back-up. What kind of an organizational structure do we have where a former QB coach and newly apponted OC with such limited experience can make such a vital decision without the HC, who has 30 years of NFL experience, over ruling him? If Wade couldn't see what most every poster here saw, that Johnson was over the hill QB, then that's a real indictment of the HC. And if Wade and all his years of coaching experience thought that Johnson as an adequate back-up, then that's all I need to know about his abilities as a HC. Either way, the whole system that Jerry put in place, from the coaches to the pro scouts, failed with respects to the back-up position.

 

[Quarterback Coach]

Easy....Jerry is on a 13 year learning curve...

 

[wileedog]

You guys forgot all about Vinny Vicenzo Testaverde stint here as the back up to Quincy Carter only to start throughout the year. Is that one on BP or Jerry?

He threw for 3500 yards and completed 60% of his passes. The INTs were high but they always are with Vinny.

In 2 1/2 games Brad threw 5 picks and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Not saying Vinny was going to the Pro Bowl, but he did pretty much what Kerry Collins did for the Titans this year. We may as well have put in Rowdy for Brad.