Jerry Jones: Learning from mistakes?

[silver]

He threw for 3500 yards and completed 60% of his passes. The INTs were high but they always are with Vinny.

In 2 1/2 games Brad threw 5 picks and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Not saying Vinny was going to the Pro Bowl, but he did pretty much what Kerry Collins did for the Titans this year.

and a 6-10 record is not quite the titans record this year. all the stats that i care about are the win loss column.

 

[Alexander]

There is no such thing as a fool proof GM. Sorry.

That is correct. That is why they get fired all the time.

Except ours, who has the ultimate in job security. He just is challenged by his mirror reflection to "reinvent" himself after disappointing failures.

 

[wileedog]

and a 6-10 record is not quite the titans record this year. all the stats that i care about are the win loss column.

And our defense and running game weren't in the same universe as the Titans. It was our transition year to the 3-4 and we lost Woody just before TC.

My point is with a good team we were capable with winning with Vinny. We didn't have one.

The earlly 90's Cowboy's teams wouldn't have won squat with the current Brad Johnson.

 

[BigDFan5]

At least you're consistant with passing the buck and blaming everyone but Jerry. But lets say that Johnson was JG's decision.

Its not passing the buck its acknowledging reality. It has been reported in Dallas media Garrett wanted Johnson here.

Here is an article from dc.com where Garrett discusses Johnson and even says if he wanted someone different he would absolutely get someone different http://cowboyszone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-124421.html

Some people also posted that Johnson was JG's second choice for a back-up.

Not according to him

What kind of an organizational structure do we have where a former QB coach and newly apponted OC with such limited experience can make such a vital decision without the HC, who has 30 years of NFL experience, over ruling him?

You want a guy who has been a defensive coach to step in and overrule the OC, who has been a QB coach and a professional QB about which QB to sign? uhh what?

If Wade couldn't see what most every poster here saw, that Johnson was over the hill QB, then that's a real indictment of the HC. And if Wade and all his years of coaching experience thought that Johnson as an adequate back-up, then that's all I need to know about his abilities as a HC. Either way, the whole system that Jerry put in place, from the coaches to the pro scouts, failed with respects to the back-up position.

So now Jerry isnt bad for having Johnson, he is bad for having coaches that wanted johnson? lol

 

[silver]

And our defense and running game weren't in the same universe as the Titans. It was our transition year to the 3-4 and we lost Woody just before TC.

My point is with a good team we were capable with winning with Vinny. We didn't have one.

The earlly 90's Cowboy's teams wouldn't have won squat with the current Brad Johnson.

good point. we also lost Terry Glenn for a good portion of that season. Regardless it doesn't excuse the signing of Vinny after his dreadful season in 2003. We should've known too as we beat the Jets that season IIRC

 

[Hostile]

That is correct. That is why they get fired all the time.

Except ours, who has the ultimate in job security. He just is challenged by his mirror reflection to "reinvent" himself after disappointing failures.

You know what, I agree with that. But I will tell you this. I don't see all that much difference in Jerry reinventing himself versus hiring a new GM every 6 or 7 years and starting all over again. Ultimately it is the exact same result. It is still changing the focus of the team.

 

[5Stars]

You know what, I agree with that. But I will tell you this. I don't see all that much difference in Jerry reinventing himself versus hiring a new GM every 6 or 7 years and starting all over again. Ultimately it is the exact same result. It is still changing the focus of the team.

Another thread about Jerry stepping down. :


Why these posts get started is amazing to me! It's not going to happen!

:bang2:

It's a dicussion in futility!

 

[silver]

You know what, I agree with that. But I will tell you this. I don't see all that much difference in Jerry reinventing himself versus hiring a new GM every 6 or 7 years and starting all over again. Ultimately it is the exact same result. It is still changing the focus of the team.

the only time Jerry reinvented himself was when he hired Parcells. Let's see what he has in store for us loyal fans this time around.
hboy:

 

[bbgun]

That is correct. That is why they get fired all the time.

Except ours, who has the ultimate in job security. He just is challenged by his mirror reflection to "reinvent" himself after disappointing failures.

Funny how Jerry gets to "reinvent" himself but not Switzer, Campo, Gailey, Tuna, or Wade (for the moment). They have to go but Jerry "Nine Lives" Jones is granted reprieve after reprieve. Again, if the Boys were a publicly traded company, Jerry would have been exiled years ago.

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Just once I’d like to hear our owner call a news conference to make the following announcement: "As the quarterback of this franchise, I realize that I’ve made a number of bad reads. I’ve held the ball too long and taken some bad sacks. We are where we are today because of my bad decisions. I’m going to make a good decision today. Effective immediately, I am firing myself as general manager."

 

[5Stars]

Funny how Jerry gets to "reinvent" himself but not Switzer, Campo, Gailey, Tuna, or Wade (for the moment). They have to go but Jerry "Nine Lives" Jones is granted reprieve after reprieve. Again, if the Boys were a publicly traded company, Jerry would have been exiled years ago.

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Just once I’d like to hear our owner call a news conference to make the following announcement: "As the quarterback of this franchise, I realize that I’ve made a number of bad reads. I’ve held the ball too long and taken some bad sacks. We are where we are today because of my bad decisions. I’m going to make a good decision today. Effective immediately, I am firing myself as general manager."

That's my man, bbgun!

Yo...tyke...you here?


:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

the only time Jerry reinvented himself was when he hired Parcells. Let's see what he has in store for us loyal fans this time around.
hboy:

IMO that was a good thing he did then which is why I am giving him some slack.

Look, Parcells is gone, but I still see us drafting well. I love Choice and Scandrick. Love them I tell you. I think Bennett turned out to be all we could ask for and more. Felix thrilled me. I was wanting him to touch the ball more. I think the sky is the limit on Jenkins, and I was a Cason guy big time.

All we can really ask of a GM is that he do what he has to so that the team will win. Jerry is doing that. Those who think the needed change is him stepping aside are trying to pee in the corner of a round room.

As long as he is doing what he should to move this team forward, and not going backwards like we did with Campo then I am on board.

As soon as we are going backwards I will be critical again. But as it stands right now, Jerry is held to a standard no other GM in the NFL is held to. I'm not on board with that.

 

[bbgun]

That's my man, bbgun!

Yo...tyke...you here?


:laugh2:

We're a tag team. I got Jerry and he's got TO.

 

[Hostile]

Funny how Jerry gets to "reinvent" himself but not Switzer, Campo, Gailey, Tuna, or Wade (for the moment). They have to go but Jerry "Nine Lives" Jones is granted reprieve after reprieve. Again, if the Boys were a publicly traded company, Jerry would have been exiled years ago.

No sir. If the Boys were a publicly traded company he'd be the most sought after person ever. In 1989 he bought the Cowboys for $186 million. In 2009, when the stadium is done that same investment will top $1.5 Billion. There isn't an Owner alive who would say, "I've got to get rid of that guy."

Just once I’d like to hear our owner call a news conference to make the following announcement: "As the quarterback of this franchise, I realize that I’ve made a number of bad reads. I’ve held the ball too long and taken some bad sacks. We are where we are today because of my bad decisions. I’m going to make a good decision today. Effective immediately, I am firing myself as general manager."

Good luck with your fantasy.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Funny how Jerry gets to "reinvent" himself but not Switzer, Campo, Gailey, Tuna, or Wade (for the moment). They have to go but Jerry "Nine Lives" Jones is granted reprieve after reprieve. Again, if the Boys were a publicly traded company, Jerry would have been exiled years ago.

http://img154.*************/img154/2530/4221412129vt5.jpg

Just once I’d like to hear our owner call a news conference to make the following announcement: "As the quarterback of this franchise, I realize that I’ve made a number of bad reads. I’ve held the ball too long and taken some bad sacks. We are where we are today because of my bad decisions. I’m going to make a good decision today. Effective immediately, I am firing myself as general manager."

Could it be that Jerry owns the freaking team???

Or using your publicly traded company argument, Jerry owns all the stock.

I personally do not think Jerry has been that bad of a GM. The role of a GM is to acquire talent, that is all.

Considering that we had 13 probowl players last year and all of them are signed long team and considering the fact that almost every team in the NFL says Dallas has the most talent, I cant really blame the GM here.

The GM for Dallas has acquired the most talent in the NFL according to alot of other teams, so as far as I am concerned the GM for Dallas has done a pretty good job.

Look at it this way, we didnt make the playoffs because we have a lack of talent...............so why in the world would we want to get rid of the GM that acquired that talent???

 

[bbgun]

No sir. If the Boys were a publicly traded company he'd be the most sought after person ever. In 1989 he bought the Cowboys for $186 million. In 2009, when the stadium is done that same investment will top $1.5 Billion. There isn't an Owner alive who would say, "I've got to get rid of that guy."

For the billionth time, no one wants to fire Jerry the owner. I'm pleased as punch that he's a business-savvy billionaire. What we're talking about is the on-field product, which falls under the GM's purview. Right now, the product screams for a recall or perhaps a Federal bailout.

Good luck with your fantasy

Says the guy who thinks Jerry should keep his job based on merit. I prefer the reality-based community, tyvm.

 

[RoadRunner]

No sir. If the Boys were a publicly traded company he'd be the most sought after person ever. In 1989 he bought the Cowboys for $186 million. In 2009, when the stadium is done that same investment will top $1.5 Billion. There isn't an Owner alive who would say, "I've got to get rid of that guy."

Good luck with your fantasy.

The fan base was already in place for that. The team's value is the natural result of the teams history. It would have happened with or without Jones. We were already the most popular franchise long before Jerry jones turned up.

Snyder's Reskins are worth over a billion too, but I doubt any Commanders fans would agree with the opinion that he is a good GM.

 

[Hostile]

For the billionth time, no one wants to fire Jerry the owner. I'm pleased as punch that he's a business-savvy billionaire. What we're talking about is the on-field product, which falls under the GM's purview. Right now, the product screams for a recall or perhaps a Federal bailout.



Says the guy who thinks Jerry should keep his job based on merit. I prefer the reality-based community, tyvm.

Yeah, because in the "real world" the word exile means welcomed with open arms and lauded.

 

[Hostile]

The fan base was already in place for that. The team's value is the natural result of the teams history. It would have happened with or without Jones. We were already the most popular franchise long before Jerry jones turned up.

Snyder's Reskins are worth over a billion too, but I doubt any Commanders fans would agree with the opinion that he is a good GM.

The NFL as a whole began to skyrocket in worth because of the maverick ways of Jerry Jones. The other owners are worth as much as they are because of his actions to increase the worth. You honestly do not realize that?

 

[bbgun]

Could it be that Jerry owns the freaking team???

Or using your publicly traded company argument, Jerry owns all the stock.

Try to stick to the terms of my hypothetical. If Jerry were a CEO beholden to shareholders, with wins and losses signifying corporate strength, he'd a been bounced years ago.

I personally do not think Jerry has been that bad of a GM. The role of a GM is to acquire talent, that is all.

Um, I thought Bill increased the talent base? Now it's Jerry's accomplishment?

Considering that we had 13 probowl players last year and all of them are signed long team and considering the fact that almost every team in the NFL says Dallas has the most talent, I cant really blame the GM here.

When you go from 13 to 3 or 4, I think we can stop crowing about the Pro Bowl. Big difference between a meaningless exhibition game and All-Pro.

The GM for Dallas has acquired the most talent in the NFL according to alot of other teams, so as far as I am concerned the GM for Dallas has done a pretty good job.

No, right now we have loads of potential, not talent. "Talent" gets it done.

Look at it this way, we didnt make the playoffs because we have a lack of talent...............so why in the world would we want to get rid of the GM that acquired that talent??

The same GM who, were he to make himself available, couldn't get a job anywhere else in the league? Good question.

 

[Alexander]

You know what, I agree with that. But I will tell you this. I don't see all that much difference in Jerry reinventing himself versus hiring a new GM every 6 or 7 years and starting all over again. Ultimately it is the exact same result. It is still changing the focus of the team.

That's fine.

He can "reinvent" himself. Or at least tell himself he's "reinvented".

There is a big difference between honest change with different personalties initiating the actions versus someone going against their nature, trying to do something different. That is exactly what Mister Jones did when Coach Parcells was here. He "reinvented" himself. He shared the spotlight. Briefly. Then he also was there breathing a very public sigh of relief when his eggshell walking days were over.

Sorry. One cannot fight their nature. No matter how hard they tell themselves they are going to do it. Like Emmitt Smith says, "a leopard cannot change its stripes."