Jerry Jones: Learning from mistakes?

[wileedog]

The NFL as a whole began to skyrocket in worth because of the maverick ways of Jerry Jones. The other owners are worth as much as they are because of his actions to increase the worth. You honestly do not realize that?

What does that have to do with Jerry the GM? Heck you could say its detrimental.

What other GM in the league is also building a mega stadium and negotiating concession stand deals with the Yankees? Oh and running an oil company?

 

[Idgit]

Try to stick to the terms of my hypothetical. If Jerry were a CEO beholden to shareholders, with wins and losses signifying corporate strength, he'd a been bounced years ago.

Um, I thought Bill increased the talent base? Now it's Jerry's accomplishment?

When you go from 13 to 3 or 4, I think we can stop crowing about the Pro Bowl. Big difference between a meaningless exhibition game and All-Pro.

No, right now we have loads of potential, not talent. "Talent" gets it done.

The same GM who, were he to make himself available, couldn't get a job anywhere else in the league? Good question.

Jerry inherited a rebuilding project in 1989. He's gone 173 and 147 since that time, made the playoffs 11 of the 19 seasons he's been GM, won three Superbowls, and had the team finally competitive again specifically because he was willing to swallow his pride and adapt. He's also done a fantastic job of managing the cap recently. Other than his abrasive personality that could clash with any owner in the NFL, I see no football-related reason why he couldn't be a GM in any number of other cities.

This team's shortcomings don't have much, if anything to do with Jerry Jones. We've got some coaching issues and had significant execution problems on the field in 2008. You don't solve those by flushing babies with bathwater.

 

[noletime95]

Jerry has done a fine job of accumulating talent, no doubt. The personel dept still seems strong, unless they were just working off of Ireland lists last year (I know its not that simple, but his input was available the majority of the year).

I just can't understand how he feels Wade can bring this group of players together and have them playing sound football. Plus, Romo desperately needs some help in the form of "tough love". Dallas is going nowhere unless Romo gets the assistance he needs. Garrett is a smart guy, but I'm not sold he can develop Romo. I'm still holding out hope for Shanahan, but I doubt that happens.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

IMO that was a good thing he did then which is why I am giving him some slack.

Look, Parcells is gone, but I still see us drafting well. I love Choice and Scandrick. Love them I tell you. I think Bennett turned out to be all we could ask for and more. Felix thrilled me. I was wanting him to touch the ball more. I think the sky is the limit on Jenkins, and I was a Cason guy big time.

All we can really ask of a GM is that he do what he has to so that the team will win. Jerry is doing that. Those who think the needed change is him stepping aside are trying to pee in the corner of a round room.

As long as he is doing what he should to move this team forward, and not going backwards like we did with Campo then I am on board.

As soon as we are going backwards I will be critical again. But as it stands right now, Jerry is held to a standard no other GM in the NFL is held to. I'm not on board with that.

I agree with that in bold. With one exception. Jenkins took camp cupcake way to literally.

 

[punchnjudy]

Giving Jerry a Pass? Not on your life. But I'm not going to give the fanbase one either. Not when they are applying one standard to Jerry Jones. Apply it to him then you apply it to all 32 GMs.

That is being constant.

There's nothing funnier than reading the 'Jerry isn't judged fairly' comments that people post here from time to time.

Please.

Name me one gm who has spent this much money on payroll over a 12 year period without winning a playoff game, and still kept his job.

No owner in the league would accept such mediocre results from such large investments over and over again. period.

 

[Hostile]

There's nothing funnier than reading the 'Jerry isn't judged fairly' comments that people post here from time to time.

Please.

Name me one gm who has spent this much money on payroll over a 12 year period without winning a playoff game, and still kept his job.

No owner in the league would accept such mediocre results from such large investments over and over again. period.

There isn't one and I never said there was. Is it your money? Is the team cap strapped? Then what is the issue beyond a need to gripe about something that isn't going to change?

 

[Dodger12]

Its not passing the buck its acknowledging reality. It has been reported in Dallas media Garrett wanted Johnson here.

Here is an article from dc.com where Garrett discusses Johnson and even says if he wanted someone different he would absolutely get someone different http://cowboyszone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-124421.html

Its an article from the Dallas Cowboys media and their mouthpiece, Mickey who's reporting the story. And in that article, Johnson was described as follows:

"He's got plenty of arm, he's got plenty of ability to move, and what we love about him is his experience, his ability to go into a game in a moment's notice and execute our offense. And it's his leadership and his ability to function as a quarterback, that's what you're looking for in a backup."

Plenty of arm and ability to move? If Jerry, Wade, JG and our scouts all agreed on that assessment, then things in Cowboy land are worse that I could have ever imagined.

Not according to him

The article is an attempt by the organization to sell the Cowboys faithful on Brad Johnson. The only reason it was written was because questions and concerns were raised regarding our back-up QB. Read the article again and tell me you don't cringe at the absolute fluff and hyperbole regarding Johnson. But JG never laid claim to Johnson in the article as you would have someone believe by posting the link. But to be fair, that doesn't mean that I don't think that JG had a hand in Johnson coming here.

You want a guy who has been a defensive coach to step in and overrule the OC, who has been a QB coach and a professional QB about which QB to sign? uhh what?

This logic is so flawed I have a hard time believing that you belive it. That “guy that’s been a defensive coach” is the HC with 30 years of NFL experience. I want him to do what HC’s do which is to evaluate his football team, as opposed to a new coordinator evaluating his team. I swear this must be the only organization and fan base that so shamelessly minimizes the role of a HC. The HC should be able to step in and over rule the rookie OC, but we know he can’t because that’s not how the Cowboys chain of command works among the coaching ranks. The OC has more authority than the HC and therein lies the problem and goes to the heart of this thread regarding Jerry Jones learning from his past mistakes.

Also, by your logic, since Jerry never played professionally, he’s not qualified to judge pro talent, no more than the HC is qualified to judge an offensive skill player and over rule the OC because he’s a defensive minded coach. At best (and I’m not minimizing Jerry’s football skills as a young man), I believe Jerry played OL in college so does that limit his ability as the GM to accurately judge positions other than on OL over that of a rookie OC because he played professionally? Uhh what? Please.

So now Jerry isnt bad for having Johnson, he is bad for having coaches that wanted johnson? lol

If I’m Jerry, I’m pissed as hell that this is the best advice my coaches and/or scouts could give me regarding a back up QB. As a fan, I’m pissed at my HC, the genius heir apparent OC and the GM. Jerry paid a ton of bonus money and traded away most of our first day draft picks in 2009 to improve the offense and the best we could do was an aging QB that was so obviously flawed and over the hill even to the average fan. But I do give Jerry credit; he saw the looming trouble and downside with Johnson, but he chose to have Mickey Spagnola write an article in DC media to sell him to the masses as opposed to trying to improve the position and not take a chance in tanking the season if Romo got hurt.

 

[Jon88]

Name me one gm who has spent this much money on payroll over a 12 year period without winning a playoff game, and still kept his job.

No owner in the league would accept such mediocre results from such large investments over and over again. period.


You are correct. But that's OK because Romo is the QB. We're going to try again next year. And if we don't win a playoff game, OK.

 

[Alexander]

There isn't one and I never said there was. Is it your money? Is the team cap strapped? Then what is the issue beyond a need to gripe about something that isn't going to change?

Since when should understanding change will not happen equal acquiescence or even outright support? That's what I am seeing.

 

[BigDFan5]

Its an article from the Dallas Cowboys media and their mouthpiece, Mickey who's reporting the story. And in that article, Johnson was described as follows:

"He's got plenty of arm, he's got plenty of ability to move, and what we love about him is his experience, his ability to go into a game in a moment's notice and execute our offense. And it's his leadership and his ability to function as a quarterback, that's what you're looking for in a backup."

Plenty of arm and ability to move? If Jerry, Wade, JG and our scouts all agreed on that assessment, then things in Cowboy land are worse that I could have ever imagined.

Hello it was direct quotes from Jason Garrett who cares who wrote them down? Your problem seems to be Jerry listened to the coaches, although for some reason I believe if you found out he wasnt listening to coaches you would bag on him for that too

The article is an attempt by the organization to sell the Cowboys faithful on Brad Johnson. The only reason it was written was because questions and concerns were raised regarding our back-up QB. Read the article again and tell me you don't cringe at the absolute fluff and hyperbole regarding Johnson. But JG never laid claim to Johnson in the article as you would have someone believe by posting the link. But to be fair, that doesn't mean that I don't think that JG had a hand in Johnson coming here.

Of course Garrett was fluffing Johnson for no reason. This was all before he came in and sucked ***.

This logic is so flawed I have a hard time believing that you belive it. That “guy that’s been a defensive coach” is the HC with 30 years of NFL experience. I want him to do what HC’s do which is to evaluate his football team, as opposed to a new coordinator evaluating his team. I swear this must be the only organization and fan base that so shamelessly minimizes the role of a HC. The HC should be able to step in and over rule the rookie OC, but we know he can’t because that’s not how the Cowboys chain of command works among the coaching ranks. The OC has more authority than the HC and therein lies the problem and goes to the heart of this thread regarding Jerry Jones learning from his past mistakes.

Also, by your logic, since Jerry never played professionally, he’s not qualified to judge pro talent, no more than the HC is qualified to judge an offensive skill player and over rule the OC because he’s a defensive minded coach. At best (and I’m not minimizing Jerry’s football skills as a young man), I believe Jerry played OL in college so does that limit his ability as the GM to accurately judge positions other than on OL over that of a rookie OC because he played professionally? Uhh what? Please.

I never said he shouldnt do any of that I said you want a defensive guy to overrule a profession QB on a choice about a QB. I think most coaches would defer to the pro in that instance

If I’m Jerry, I’m pissed as hell that this is the best advice my coaches and/or scouts could give me regarding a back up QB. As a fan, I’m pissed at my HC, the genius heir apparent OC and the GM. Jerry paid a ton of bonus money and traded away most of our first day draft picks in 2009 to improve the offense and the best we could do was an aging QB that was so obviously flawed and over the hill even to the average fan. But I do give Jerry credit; he saw the looming trouble and downside with Johnson, but he chose to have Mickey Spagnola write an article in DC media to sell him to the masses as opposed to trying to improve the position and not take a chance in tanking the season if Romo got hurt.

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Since when should understanding change will not happen equal acquiescence or even outright support? That's what I am seeing.

Then you're looking in the wrong places. When Jerry screws up I say so. I just happen to think he's not screwing up right now.

I don't think people understand that things won't change at all. I am highly skeptical of that claim.

 

[Dodger12]

Hello it was direct quotes from Jason Garrett who cares who wrote them down? Your problem seems to be Jerry listened to the coaches, although for some reason I believe if you found out he wasnt listening to coaches you would bag on him for that too......

Of course Garrett was fluffing Johnson for no reason. This was all before he came in and sucked ***.

What's Garrett supposed to say? Is supposed to bag on Johnson? And as I pointed out, you used the article as some sort of affirmation by Garrett that Johnson was his guy and Garrett did no such thing.

I never said he shouldnt do any of that I said you want a defensive guy to overrule a profession QB on a choice about a QB. I think most coaches would defer to the pro in that instance

That's highly debateable. Most coaches with 30 years of experience would/should have a vision for their team and know what they want out of certain players or positions. Wade coached a HOF QB before so I would hope that the guy knows from a coaching standpoint what it takes to be a successful QB in this league, moreso than a rookie OC with limited NFL coaching experience. But I know we're asking allot since he couldn't spot an aging and over the hill QB after a full TC.

It's Wade's job that's on the line. If he's fool enough to defer decisions to his assistants and rookie coordinators, then he's a fool but I don't believe for a second that most coaches would do the same, especially if they're successful.