Jerry, take notice

[DenCWBY]

Not horrible but average .

I really don’t think he has anything to prove but he thinks he does because of what the media and fans have produced not giving him any credit for the rings with Jimmy.

And why he’s still chasing that dream to prove he can do it without a coach like Jimmy.

Chasing because of his ego over the blood, sweat and tears of many player and life long fans. I have a hard time respecting that philosophy.

 

[visionary]

While as a fan this sounds awesome.,.you need to remember this is Jerry’s team. He isn’t interested in being a Jefferey Laurie type owner. This isn’t just an investment vehicle for Jerry. This is his daily job. The attention he gets, the radio shows, the way everyone in America knows his name and face is not something he plans to ever give up.
Winning with someone else getting credit as the football genius isn’t winning if you are Jerry Jones.
I understand him.....
May not like this but it’s reality.

This
This guy is a psychopath level football idiot and is not about to change

 

[DenCWBY]

I think that he "won" those Super Bowls in spite of himself.

Let's face it, when he came in, he didn't know a thing about running a football team. And that was ultimately a good thing.

It meant that he listened to Jimmy and stayed out of the way. Only after a few years, when he got more "comfortable" (that hated word), did he begin to assert himself more. And the poor results followed.

Eventually, his influence was enough to drive a wedge between he and Johnson, leading to the split that inevitably cost this team one championship and possibly more.

And it's been that way for most of his tenure since, save for the Parcells era, and even then, he had to make some of his moves (TO).

Sadly, that one move with Parcells is my sole reason for hope at this point, that Jones might one day again realize that he needs to "take a step back in order for the team to move forward." In fact, I hear that exact quote in my head. Likely wishful thinking, but it's my biggest reason for optimism right now.

Funny you mention... I recall the moment driving home from work listening on Denver sports radio hearing that Parcells was hired in Dallas and my first thought was finally Jerry gets it and he's putting the fans ahead of himself. Little did I know.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Most opinions of Jerry Jones are somewhere on the Satan to Rasputin scale. Jerry Jones is a "football" guy, certainly compared to many team executives, including some GMs. He was an all-SWC guard at Arkansas and started on a national championship team. His family bubbles football. He now has spent circa three decades running an NFL team. And that football knowledge might lead to some problems. It isn't that he knows nothing. Clearly he knows a great deal about the game -- and certainly more than the average fan. People might not enjoy hearing that, which has nothing at all to do with whether it is true.

But the owner/GM combination is tough. One, it would be a great deal to ask of anyone. It must be remarkably time-consuming. Two, there surely are times when the interest of an owner do not necessarily run parallel with the interest of a GM. An owner is beholden to doing what is, in his or her judgment, in the league's interest. A GM should be focused on the team's interest. Three, an owner is not accountable to a boss. Ultimately a GM can be fired. An owner can only sell the team.

I certainly think Jones was a great owner through the championship years, and he was probably a strong GM as well. Yes Johnson bought the groceries. But Jones almost certainly handled many other traditional GM duties, including handling contracts. Jimmy Johnson was head coach and the lead personnel guy, but there is no evidence he did the entire job of a GM.

The Cowboys were unfortunate in the timing of full free agency. It came along when the Cowboys were the league's best team, so naturally their talent was desirable and in many cases overvalued. It was almost inevitable they would suffer on the field. But that is not to excuse poor drafts. They became cocky and arrogant and even had what they called a "special teams" draft. Jones has to take responsibility for those blunders.

As to Johnson's departure -- look at Johnson's track record and personality before laying too much blame at Jones' feet. Johnson never stayed anywhere very long, a fact that he is acknowledged. Johnson wanted to be in Miami. And loyalty is not one of Johnson's qualities. It might be Jones' best quality. Johnson did a great job at Dallas, but he is a deeply unusual guy. Deeply unusual. Jones couldn't handle it, but I'm not sure many people could have handled it. I'm not excusing Jones' ego, but my sense if that Johnson intentionally played the weakest part of Jones' character -- his ego. Johnson is a manipulative guy.

The fact Johnson was essentially a failure at Miami also is forgotten. He was not the same coach. This suggests that Jones did have something to do both with Johnson's success and with the team's success. Critics don't want to hear that, but the evidence is what the evidence is. Both Jones and Johnson underestimated each other's contributions, and they both suffered for it. The depth of Jones' anger -- and frankly an example of his ability to be petty -- is the fact a coach that led the team to Super Bowl titles isn't in the Ring of Honor. But Jones probably feels Johnson isn't an honorable guy.

In my view, as I've written, Jones overcompensated while trying to prove that he didn't need Johnson. He made unwise personnel decisions and tried to spend the team to glory, a model that hasn't proved successful in the NFL. The team suffered on the field for a few years because of age and talent drain. The it suffered another decade-plus for Jones' frantic overcompensation. These were the worst Jones "GM" years. Another owner would have fired him.

Jones has gotten his feet back under him in recent years. Decisions have improved. Talent has improved. But Jones is paddling against those lost years. One cannot blame fans for including those years in an assessment of Jones' performance. It has been a long time since Jones won. Of course fans have had enough.

But if Dallas stays on its present track, there will be success. In fact, there has been success, though playoff losses are the elephant in the room. Those failures must be included in any assessment of recent years, but they are not necessarily predictive of future results. If recent decisions continue, there will almost certainly be playoff success.

Jones has been deeply loyal to Jason Garrett, which at this point seems to be a mistake. But there are signs that the loyalty could still be rewarded. We will see. I suspect Garrett better prove Jones ultimately correct next season. This season was odd, even by Cowboys standards. Suspensions and injuries hit the team's best players. And a second-year QB was unable to cover warts. I'm not sure that should have been a surprise. In fact, even before many of the negatives occurred, a lot of folks were predicting a 9- to 10-win season. This is still a very young team. But it ought to be mature enough to make a strong recovery next season. That's on Garrett.

 

[Stash]

Funny you mention... I recall the moment driving home from work listening on Denver sports radio hearing that Parcells was hired in Dallas and my first thought was finally Jerry gets it and he's putting the fans ahead of himself. Little did I know.

Unfortunately it didn't last, but that's what gives me hope that he's capable of such a move and may be smart enough to do it again.

 

[visionary]

It’s a Fantasy job we’re all supporting either directly or indirectly as frustrating as it is for us.

As much as I’ve criticized Jethro for the last 20 years I believe it’s not being totally fair not including his entire time here when evaluating his tenure. And why it’s been a love/hate relationship.

In 1989 I never believed he’d win 3 championships and probably screwed up winning 1 or 2 more but he should still recieve credit for winning those . Something only one other team has accomplished this era. It just all came so quickly we’d like to have spread them out possibly .

So, for whatever his agendas present in handicaps and obstacles to overcome now he accomplished more than I thought he would . And this comes from one of his biggest critics just keeping it real.

Again, I hate it when people don't pay attention

Jerry did not win those championships, jimmy was the architect. Jerrys ONLY contribution was that he stayed the heck out of the way.

Also, remember that Jerry hired Jimmy not because he was the most competent HC but because he was Jerrys friend. The same nepotism that is rampant in this organization today, was the reason jimmy was hired. It just so happened that jimmy was a great HC and Jerry was a new owner and the team hadn't won anything yet so he tolerated jimmy. The same reason he got Parcells for a few year, to build his stadium so he can keep making gobs of money on the backs of stupid fans who are still willing to give Jerry their money because that is the only thing he really really cares about other than his ego.

ANYONE who still believes that "Jerry is a bad GM but good owner" for fans of the Dallas Cowboys is completely delusional

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

2 playoff wins in 20 plus years says he is not football smart. He is a good owner and a better business man but a horrible GM. Even if they accidentally win a SB would that be enough to overcome the last 20 years?

Agreed. Cannot understand why no one in his inner circle cannot get him to see the following: IF....IF....we ever win with him as the GM...he STILL will not get the recognition he craves! He has had this job longer than ANYONE in the history of the sport...and the critics will simply say...."about time"....or "even a broke clock is right twice a day". His sickness drives me crazy. Which is why I have recalibrated my feelings for this team.

Understand what game is being played....then decide how you wish to proceed with your fandom!

 

[visionary]

You mean hire a FULL TIME GM so Jerry would be losing the best PART TIME job in the country.

How many other NFL GMs get to schedule concerts, soccer games, WWF in there stadium? How many other NFL GMs represent their team at owner meetings? How many other NFL GMs run marketing, sales and publicity for their teams?

Well none, because it wouldn't allow them enough time to do their real job of managing all aspects of building the team.

If an average GM works 50 hours/week at their job, how many hours/week do you think JJ dedicates to GM responsibilities (vs. the other things he does as a businessman and owner) for the Cowboys? (Hint) Looks at the results of the last 20 years to get your answer.

Face it, 31 other teams have a GM that is dedicated to making their team better, the Cowboys have a spoiled rich billionaire that uses the GM role as a fun hobby.

Let's sticky this post so delusional fans may understand at least some of it

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Most opinions of Jerry Jones are somewhere on the Satan to Rasputin scale. Jerry Jones is a "football" guy, certainly compared to many team executives, including some GMs. He was an all-SWC guard at Arkansas and started on a national championship team. His family bubbles football. He now has spent circa three decades running an NFL team. And that football knowledge might lead to some problems. It isn't that he knows nothing. Clearly he knows a great deal about the game -- and certainly more than the average fan. People might not enjoy hearing that, which has nothing at all to do with whether it is true.

But the owner/GM combination is tough. One, it would be a great deal to ask of anyone. It must be remarkably time-consuming. Two, there surely are times when the interest of an owner do not necessarily run parallel with the interest of a GM. An owner is beholden to doing what is, in his or her judgment, in the league's interest. A GM should be focused on the team's interest. Three, an owner is not accountable to a boss. Ultimately a GM can be fired. An owner can only sell the team.

I certainly think Jones was a great owner through the championship years, and he was probably a strong GM as well. Yes Johnson bought the groceries. But Jones almost certainly handled many other traditional GM duties, including handling contracts. Jimmy Johnson was head coach and the lead personnel guy, but there is no evidence he did the entire job of a GM.

The Cowboys were unfortunate in the timing of full free agency. It came along when the Cowboys were the league's best team, so naturally their talent was desirable and in many cases overvalued. It was almost inevitable they would suffer on the field. But that is not to excuse poor drafts. They became cocky and arrogant and even had what they called a "special teams" draft. Jones has to take responsibility for those blunders.

As to Johnson's departure -- look at Johnson's track record and personality before laying too much blame at Jones' feet. Johnson never stayed anywhere very long, a fact that he is acknowledged. Johnson wanted to be in Miami. And loyalty is not one of Johnson's qualities. It might be Jones' best quality. Johnson did a great job at Dallas, but he is a deeply unusual guy. Deeply unusual. Jones couldn't handle it, but I'm not sure many people could have handled it. I'm not excusing Jones' ego, but my sense if that Johnson intentionally played the weakest part of Jones' character -- his ego. Johnson is a manipulative guy.

The fact Johnson was essentially a failure at Miami also is forgotten. He was not the same coach. This suggests that Jones did have something to do both with Johnson's success and with the team's success. Critics don't want to hear that, but the evidence is what the evidence is. Both Jones and Johnson underestimated each other's contributions, and they both suffered for it. The depth of Jones' anger -- and frankly an example of his ability to be petty -- is the fact a coach that led the team to Super Bowl titles isn't in the Ring of Honor. But Jones probably feels Johnson isn't an honorable guy.

In my view, as I've written, Jones overcompensated while trying to prove that he didn't need Johnson. He made unwise personnel decisions and tried to spend the team to glory, a model that hasn't proved successful in the NFL. The team suffered on the field for a few years because of age and talent drain. The it suffered another decade-plus for Jones' frantic overcompensation. These were the worst Jones "GM" years. Another owner would have fired him.

Jones has gotten his feet back under him in recent years. Decisions have improved. Talent has improved. But Jones is paddling against those lost years. One cannot blame fans for including those years in an assessment of Jones' performance. It has been a long time since Jones won. Of course fans have had enough.

But if Dallas stays on its present track, there will be success. In fact, there has been success, though playoff losses are the elephant in the room. Those failures must be included in any assessment of recent years, but they are not necessarily predictive of future results. If recent decisions continue, there will almost certainly be playoff success.

Jones has been deeply loyal to Jason Garrett, which at this point seems to be a mistake. But there are signs that the loyalty could still be rewarded. We will see. I suspect Garrett better prove Jones ultimately correct next season. This season was odd, even by Cowboys standards. Suspensions and injuries hit the team's best players. And a second-year QB was unable to cover warts. I'm not sure that should have been a surprise. In fact, even before many of the negatives occurred, a lot of folks were predicting a 9- to 10-win season. This is still a very young team. But it ought to be mature enough to make a strong recovery next season. That's on Garrett.

I agree with everything you said, Stephen. Your dad is headed in the right direction as GM and the arrow is pointing up in spite of the head coach.

Everyone knows Jerry will fire Jason Garrett if they miss the playoffs one more time. No more excuses, it's time to be the best version of himself or he's out. His process has run it's course, time to see results.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I agree with everything you said, Stephen. Your dad is headed in the right direction as GM and the arrow is pointing up in spite of the head coach.

Everyone knows Jerry will fire Jason Garrett if they miss the playoffs one more time. No more excuses, it's time to be the best version of himself or he's out. His process has run it's course, time to see results.

Dang. You're on to me. Want to buy a great collection of sideline jackets?

 

[OmerV]

http://es.pn/2qJ1Rjg

It really is not that difficult. But before you do anything, step down, hire a real football General Manager, show a sense of purpose rather than narcissism. You are a great man, a rich man, a wildcatting river boat gambling man but, but you are as dense as a rock when it comes to football. Then after that bit of humble, do it for the team and the city and your fans all over the world, let the New General Manager, who OBTW is not to be named Stephen, follow the above template and bring glory back to Cowboys Nation.

I hope you aren't planning to hold your breath until this happen. If so, take pictures. You should turn some interesting shades of red, blue and purple.

 

[JustChip]

Most opinions of Jerry Jones are somewhere on the Satan to Rasputin scale. Jerry Jones is a "football" guy, certainly compared to many team executives, including some GMs. He was an all-SWC guard at Arkansas and started on a national championship team. His family bubbles football. He now has spent circa three decades running an NFL team. And that football knowledge might lead to some problems. It isn't that he knows nothing. Clearly he knows a great deal about the game -- and certainly more than the average fan. People might not enjoy hearing that, which has nothing at all to do with whether it is true.

But the owner/GM combination is tough. One, it would be a great deal to ask of anyone. It must be remarkably time-consuming. Two, there surely are times when the interest of an owner do not necessarily run parallel with the interest of a GM. An owner is beholden to doing what is, in his or her judgment, in the league's interest. A GM should be focused on the team's interest. Three, an owner is not accountable to a boss. Ultimately a GM can be fired. An owner can only sell the team.

I certainly think Jones was a great owner through the championship years, and he was probably a strong GM as well. Yes Johnson bought the groceries. But Jones almost certainly handled many other traditional GM duties, including handling contracts. Jimmy Johnson was head coach and the lead personnel guy, but there is no evidence he did the entire job of a GM.

The Cowboys were unfortunate in the timing of full free agency. It came along when the Cowboys were the league's best team, so naturally their talent was desirable and in many cases overvalued. It was almost inevitable they would suffer on the field. But that is not to excuse poor drafts. They became cocky and arrogant and even had what they called a "special teams" draft. Jones has to take responsibility for those blunders.

As to Johnson's departure -- look at Johnson's track record and personality before laying too much blame at Jones' feet. Johnson never stayed anywhere very long, a fact that he is acknowledged. Johnson wanted to be in Miami. And loyalty is not one of Johnson's qualities. It might be Jones' best quality. Johnson did a great job at Dallas, but he is a deeply unusual guy. Deeply unusual. Jones couldn't handle it, but I'm not sure many people could have handled it. I'm not excusing Jones' ego, but my sense if that Johnson intentionally played the weakest part of Jones' character -- his ego. Johnson is a manipulative guy.

The fact Johnson was essentially a failure at Miami also is forgotten. He was not the same coach. This suggests that Jones did have something to do both with Johnson's success and with the team's success. Critics don't want to hear that, but the evidence is what the evidence is. Both Jones and Johnson underestimated each other's contributions, and they both suffered for it. The depth of Jones' anger -- and frankly an example of his ability to be petty -- is the fact a coach that led the team to Super Bowl titles isn't in the Ring of Honor. But Jones probably feels Johnson isn't an honorable guy.

In my view, as I've written, Jones overcompensated while trying to prove that he didn't need Johnson. He made unwise personnel decisions and tried to spend the team to glory, a model that hasn't proved successful in the NFL. The team suffered on the field for a few years because of age and talent drain. The it suffered another decade-plus for Jones' frantic overcompensation. These were the worst Jones "GM" years. Another owner would have fired him.

Jones has gotten his feet back under him in recent years. Decisions have improved. Talent has improved. But Jones is paddling against those lost years. One cannot blame fans for including those years in an assessment of Jones' performance. It has been a long time since Jones won. Of course fans have had enough.

But if Dallas stays on its present track, there will be success. In fact, there has been success, though playoff losses are the elephant in the room. Those failures must be included in any assessment of recent years, but they are not necessarily predictive of future results. If recent decisions continue, there will almost certainly be playoff success.

Jones has been deeply loyal to Jason Garrett, which at this point seems to be a mistake. But there are signs that the loyalty could still be rewarded. We will see. I suspect Garrett better prove Jones ultimately correct next season. This season was odd, even by Cowboys standards. Suspensions and injuries hit the team's best players. And a second-year QB was unable to cover warts. I'm not sure that should have been a surprise. In fact, even before many of the negatives occurred, a lot of folks were predicting a 9- to 10-win season. This is still a very young team. But it ought to be mature enough to make a strong recovery next season. That's on Garrett.

Well written and compelling.

As you show, Jerry is a "football" guy, but there's a difference between knowing football and being able to adequately assess talent and how the talent fits in the overall team needs and dynamics. We all have an intrinsic bias, there are coaches that are "defensive" minded and those that are "offensive" minded. Jerry is "star" or "name" biased. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to win, it's just that he will opt to go the big-name free agent route. And, as you point out, that normally means big contracts that become an anchor around the neck of the team.

I would argue that, more than free agency, the salary cap is the primary cause of the Cowboys struggles. There is no doubt in my mind that Jerry would spend into oblivion to win absent the salary cap. Of course, he's not the only one. Little Danny Snyder would do the same.

Jimmy knew the time to leave was when you were on top, not after you fell from the top. He did it everywhere he went. Not many people can and will do that. I don't know what would've happened had Jimmy stayed, maybe we win 3 in a row, maybe not. Jimmy's psychological and authoritarian approach was starting to wear thin. Replacing him with Barry was actually a good move - short term success will almost always result if a relaxed atmosphere follows an authoritarian regime. Same thing occurred with Wade after Parcells. But it's not a recipe for long-term success.

I'm cautiously optimistic about next year and the future. In part because Jerry obviously has stepped back. Had he not, we'd have gone down the Johnny Manziel path which would've been a complete disaster. Just see what happened this year with the Zeke fiasco. I'm cautious, however, because it completely depends on the progression of Dak and whether he can be a capable QB on a Super Bowl caliber team. I don't know the answer to that. He was never supposed to be a rookie starter - he was a 4th round project that was to develop while Romo played the twilight of his career. In reality, Dak wasn't supposed to see the field until his 3rd or 4th year.

 

[DallasEast]

Agreed. Cannot understand why no one in his inner circle cannot get him to see the following: IF....IF....we ever win with him as the GM...he STILL will not get the recognition he craves! He has had this job longer than ANYONE in the history of the sport...and the critics will simply say...."about time"....or "even a broke clock is right twice a day". His sickness drives me crazy. Which is why I have recalibrated my feelings for this team.

Understand what game is being played....then decide how you wish to proceed with your fandom!

No one in his inner circle has any hope of making him see anything unless they are a mental health professional and have his respect for being one. He is a narcissist. It is a personality that some on the outside looking into his inner circle neither understand nor care to accept.

Imagine you were a member of Jones' inner circle and were asked to answer the following questions (based on a Health.com article titled 10 Signs You Might Be a Narcissist) according to your own close up observations of Jerry Jones--

• Does he bask in the glow of being the center of attention?
• Does he often give (unsolicited) advice?
• Does he hate waiting to do anything?
• Does he have unlimited ambition?
• Does he constantly turn on the charm?
• Is he very competitive?
• Does he hold grudges?
• Does he deflect blame from himself?
• Does he take advantage of others?
• Does he become overly sated after achieving goals?

--and most or all of your answers were yes? Perhaps then alternate considerations might finally start sinking in that Jones is not simply being incredibly stubborn in how he runs his franchise.

 

[DFWJC]

http://es.pn/2qJ1Rjg

It really is not that difficult. But before you do anything, step down, hire a real football General Manager, show a sense of purpose rather than narcissism. You are a great man, a rich man, a wildcatting river boat gambling man but, but you are as dense as a rock when it comes to football. Then after that bit of humble, do it for the team and the city and your fans all over the world, let the New General Manager, who OBTW is not to be named Stephen, follow the above template and bring glory back to Cowboys Nation.

I've never supported Jerry the GM, but he's not as dense as a rock regarding football.
The guy has played the game a very high level, been around some of the best coaches of all time, and around the game in general...for his entire life.

You can know and understand football just fine and still not be a good GM (or coach, for that matter). There are countless examples of this.

fwiw, he HAS given up most of his core GM responsibilities to Clay and Stephen. That's a start.

 

[DallasEast]

You can know and understand football just fine and still not be a good GM (or coach, for that matter).

This is the one fact some people cannot accept or digest for themselves. They may even state they understand it yet almost immediately follow up with "But still..."

 

[robjay04]

Actually it was two years ago that people fantasized about the Giants big FA period and it landed them in the playoffs (and beat us twice). Last year, the bottom fell out because of bad QB play and dope as a head coach.

I said a year ago as in last season, one year ago. Even though we were 13-3 and had a better season, a lot of people envied the Giants offseason approach. That approach backfired a year later...same could happen to the Eagles next year. The league is pretty unpredictable.

Unless you think Garrett is a boob and messed up this year, which is possible.

+1

 

[Sydla]

I said a year ago as in last season, one year ago. Even though we were 13-3 and had a better season, a lot of people envied the Giants offseason approach. That approach backfired a year later...same could happen to the Eagles next year. The league is pretty unpredictable.




+1

It didn't backfire on them unless you think spending a lot of money in FA on defense somehow made Manning crappier in 2017 and McAdoo dumber and worse of a head coach. The Giants did not suck in 2017 because of their FA spending in 2016.

 

[Clove]

This entire life is about feeling good. Everything we do, is to feel better. We watch TV, makes us feel better. We fight, it makes us feel better to win. We have the last word, it makes us feel better. We drink, we have this amazing job so we can have better things, which makes us feel better. And in Jerry's mind, being owner, GM, and mr everything makes him feel better.

It feels better to Jerry to do things his way, than to ultimately win.

 

[Pokes12]

Jerry Jones should come with a surgeon general's warning.
having Jerry Jones and control of your football team could lead to... stress, loss of hair and weight, high blood pressure, depression a sense of hopelessness, thoughts of suicide and liver failure due to excessive drinking.

excellent but you forgot a couple,

lethargy
depression
suicidal ideation
homicidal ideatio
transference
erectile disfunction
erectile function
delusional ideations
osetoperosis
urinary tract infection
and
peripheral dementia

 

[Jake]

It’s a Fantasy job we’re all supporting either directly or indirectly as frustrating as it is for us.

As much as I’ve criticized Jethro for the last 20 years I believe it’s not being totally fair not including his entire time here when evaluating his tenure. And why it’s been a love/hate relationship.

In 1989 I never believed he’d win 3 championships and probably screwed up winning 1 or 2 more but he should still recieve credit for winning those . Something only one other team has accomplished this era. It just all came so quickly we’d like to have spread them out possibly .

So, for whatever his agendas present in handicaps and obstacles to overcome now he accomplished more than I thought he would . And this comes from one of his biggest critics just keeping it real.

The early 90s were great, but no other GM would still have his job in 2018 with Jerry's entire track record. He'd have been fired years ago, a 75 year old man the game left behind.