Jerry throwing everyone under the bus

NoLuv4Jerry

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The Ravens have their own problem. Didn't their GM come out and say that they listen to ESPN scouts like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay and look at mock drafts from sports writers to dictate how they will draft?

The Ravens have won 2 Super Bowls since we last won. The Ravens have played in multiple AFC title games....that is actually my second favorite team. Whatever "problems" they have...somehow it has not stopped them from winning.
 

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Hey, it's Jerry, learn to tune out what he says most of the time.
Players have heard much worse criticism so this is nothing for them. It's a business, and they know it.
 

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Hard to say what the class looks like. If we are lucky you may get a Chad Kelly that gets out of the top 10

You just watch this draft? :) All the good QB prospects will go @ the top. Love Romo but he is wearing out.
 

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When Jerry said he regreated not overpaying for Lynch, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that someone else in management stopped him from doing it. He probably just decided not to overpay, and now he's having second thoughts on his desicion. I'm so glad we didnt overpay though. Apparently we offered our 2nd and 3rd and it wasn't enough. So "overpaying" probably meant our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks for Lynch. So Lynch instead of Jaylon Smith, Maliek Collins, and Charles Tapper. Oh boy that would've sucked.

I strongly believe he was overruled
 

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I strongly disagree that Johnny Manziel was a 1st round talent. It took one preseason game....against the Washington Commanders....where Johnny Manziel tried his scrambling acrobat bit...and got walked down by 50 year old Ryan Clark...who was in his last season in the NFL....to confirm what I already knew. On top of that...being drafted in THAT division was a recipe for disaster. He would have NEVER held up physically in that environment. If you recall the magical year RG3 had his rookie year....if you go back and watch the games he played against the AFC North...they were a disaster. He actually got knocked out by Baltimore and thus could not play against Cleveland..but that division showed you EXACTLY what to do against a read option QB....and they showed Kapernick in the Super Bowl as well. Kapernick was crying to the ref after every play...and eventually just gave up on running the read option...because the Ravens were lighting is a** up!

Maybe i'm in the minority but with the talent around him in Cleveland.....I didn't think Manziel played that bad. Like I said above, its in between the ears with him. And i'm not trying to downplay that. In hindsight, that's a good reason not to want him. But the guy for a young quarterback has shown flashes in the NFL. He's shown he can play but he hasn't shown he can stay out of trouble. Him being out of the league right now has nothing to do with what he's shown on the field or his body not being able to hold up.
 

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LOL. I love the fantasy you guys live in.

It is up to him. He's the owner and the GM. He said he probably should have overpaid. Not that he wasn't allowed to.

I strongly disagree. I truly believe he was overruled. And based on his personality....I think that he deliberately let everyone know that if it as up to him...he would have overpaid.
 

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Time for Jerry to throw Cowboy fans a bone and let us chew on his draft board. No harm letting us fans take a look at it now. Good for the sport. I wish all teams did that.

Scouts would love it too because they get to put their name to their work and don't remain anonymous.
I've been wanting the same thing for years. I'm surprised that the league hasn't included the idea with their post-Draft/offseason, billion dollar hype machine. Public speculation of the sport would be that much more heightened.
 

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He has admitted that he wanted Paxton Lynch.....then Connor Cook. Hope Dak enjoys coming to work knowing he was an afterthought.

And he has complained about NOT overpaying to get Lynch. Which is his way of letting everyone else know that if it was up to him, he would have overpaid. So not sure if this is good or bad....but it certainly confirms Jerry is not pulling the strings. He is letting us know that if Paxton Lynch turns out to be a stud...."don't blame me".

But this is what it boils down to for me. He should show a united front. What's done is done. And you don't let your new players know that you really wanted someone else. And you don't out the front office/coaching staff by letting everyone know you disagreed with the direction they took. Of course this stuff happens....but the quality organizations don't come out and SAY it.

There is too much transparency. We are an open book. It is simply unprofessional. And I know nothing can be done about it...but if you cannot muzzle him after all these years.....I think it will get even worse as he starts to circle the drain.

sigh...

in the first round of the 1990 draft, jimmy johnson wanted james francis, a linebacker out of baylor (who never amounted to much), but the bengals took him before us. so, jimmy settled for emmitt smith.

that worked out okay.

so, no, i don't care that the lynch trade didn't work out. i don't care that cook was taken before us.

what i do care about is what dallas did with the picks it had -- that it stuck with, despite the pressure to trade up or down, by the way -- and the fact that everyone in the room, jerry included, signed off on some pretty solid players.
 

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I strongly disagree. I truly believe he was overruled. And based on his personality....I think that he deliberately let everyone know that if it as up to him...he would have overpaid.

Sure you do. Because you want to believe that.

What you can't do, though, is bring any direct quotes from that article that indicates that. He was 2nd guessing himself. As the GM of the team.
 

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The Ravens have won 2 Super Bowls since we last won. The Ravens have played in multiple AFC title games....that is actually my second favorite team. Whatever "problems" they have...somehow it has not stopped them from winning.

Well I don't deny the success they have had. You bring up Jerry talking to the media and you asked what GM does that. I bring up the Ravens as an example and you bring up all the success they had. So clearly Jerry doing his meddling or his weekly radio shows or talking to the media isn't really that big of a concern.
 

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Something stopped them last year.
You just watch this draft? :) All the good QB prospects will go @ the top. Love Romo but he is wearing out.
Just throughing names out....

Keil is a guy I can see being a "1st round talent" but not quite at the top of the draft. Could be this years Lynch in terms of value. Have to see how he plays in 2016
 

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True too...high bust factor to consider, etc. Trust the scouts.

One of the reasons Im glad we didnt trade a 1st to move up for Lynch

I have litterally never seen the " trade a future first to move into the late first for a QB" work.
 

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He has admitted that he wanted Paxton Lynch.....then Connor Cook. Hope Dak enjoys coming to work knowing he was an afterthought.

And he has complained about NOT overpaying to get Lynch. Which is his way of letting everyone else know that if it was up to him, he would have overpaid. So not sure if this is good or bad....but it certainly confirms Jerry is not pulling the strings. He is letting us know that if Paxton Lynch turns out to be a stud...."don't blame me".

But this is what it boils down to for me. He should show a united front. What's done is done. And you don't let your new players know that you really wanted someone else. And you don't out the front office/coaching staff by letting everyone know you disagreed with the direction they took. Of course this stuff happens....but the quality organizations don't come out and SAY it.

There is too much transparency. We are an open book. It is simply unprofessional. And I know nothing can be done about it...but if you cannot muzzle him after all these years.....I think it will get even worse as he starts to circle the drain.

Not sure I agree with your assessment of what Jerry said and what it means.

He wanted Lynch and would have overpaid to get him.

But what really transpired is the Broncos out maneuvered Jerry for Lynch. That, in and of itself is not a bad thing. Doesn't make Jerry stupid or inept. There is plenty of evidence to make those claims, but Elway made the correct move when he needed to because he knew Jerry was trying to move up.

Now I do agree that Jerry will toss others under the bus, as if they had a mother-loving thing to do with any decision after Jerry talks himself into a player.

As far as the players are concerned, they are meat. Simply put they are a cog in a machine Jerry "builds," and their feelings are secondary to his ownership.

But this is one aspect of Jerry where I might agree. Send an unmistakable message that your time here is predicated on your value to the franchise and nothing more. While there may be a pretense this is a family, it is, in fact, a business and you buy tomorrow with excelling today. So strap on your big boy pants and get ready to impress. Because you, in most likelihood, can be replaced fairly easily.

Come big, or you get sent home.
 

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So... whenever anyone says or infers that Jerry Jones has totally manipulated every Cowboy draft... can we link this thread as a past discussion that disputes that claim?
 

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One of the reasons Im glad we didnt trade a 1st to move up for Lynch

I have litterally never seen the " trade a future first to move into the late first for a QB" work.
So, does this mean it cannot work because you have never seen it.

There was a day when I had never seen a team with the season rushing title go and win a Super Bowl.

That occurred three times in the early to mid 890's with Emmitt Smith.

I guarantee in 1992 there were articles written as he won that title that teams have never won it all with the title holder running the ball for them. It was mentioned in print, on the radio, and on TV.

I think of this every time I see someone say or imply never in a comment here about this league. The moment you say it never will, it usually does.

Thanks Emmitt for proving them wrong.
 

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You believe he was overruled based on what?

Because he said he could not sleep after round 1...he said he was still mad the next morning... and he said my BIGGEST success in life have come from overpaying.

We are talking about a guy he gave up 2 #1 for Joey Galloway...we are talking about a guy that gave up a #1 and a #3 for Roy Williams...and tore up his contract and gave him $45 million dollars...while he was battling Plantar Fascitis...because he saw him as the heir apparent to TO. I know Troy Aikman and Deion Sanders had some input in the Joey trade. But after you live through that disaster...you turn around and do it again. Who in their right mind would EVER view Roy Williams as TO heir apparent? If we actually employ someone who gave Jerry that advice...they should not have a job in the NFL!

I know someone who know Martin Mayhew (Detroit GM)..and he said Mayhew was STUNNED what we agreed to give up for Roy....and even more stunned that we paid him before he showed us anything. He was overweight and injured when we re-did his contract
 
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