Jets reportedly videotaped Patriots last season in Foxborough

[WoodysGirl]

Updated: December 12, 2007, 10:39 AM ET

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There's a new wrinkle in the Spygate controversy between the Patriots and the Jets.

According to a published report, a Jets employee was asked to stop videotaping the Patriots sideline during the first quarter of a game in Foxborough last season. Jets officials claim everything was above board.

"All filming at last year's Patriots game was done with pre-approval from the Patriots and in accordance with NFL rules," Bruce Speight, the Jets' senior director of media relations, told Newsday.

The Jets employee at the stadium was removed but the camera was not confiscated, according to the report. The employee's filming took place on the mezzanine level of the stadium.

The newspaper also said there was some confusion as to which Patriots home game the videotaping occurred. New York played at New England twice, including a playoff game.

In Week 1 of this season, New England was sanctioned by the NFL for videotaping the Jets' sideline. The NFL took away the Patriots' first-round draft pick, fined the team $250,000 and fined head coach Bill Belichick another $500,000.

On Sunday, New England is looking to improve its record to 14-0 when they host the Jets at Foxborough. The Patriots can clinch home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win.


Newsday article: http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets1212,0,3978329.story

 

[Doomsday101]

I think we will see Belicheck stick it to the Jets this weekend big time. Then the Pats will turn about and lose to the perfect 0-15 Dolphins the following week.

 

[Eddie]

I think we will see Belicheck stick it to the Jets this weekend big time. Then the Pats will turn about and lose to the perfect 0-15 Dolphins the following week.

Karma is a be-otch, but this is highly probably scenario. Stranger things have happened, and I'm absolutely sure this is what's in store for the Pats.

 

[Doomsday101]

Karma is a be-otch, but this is highly probably scenario. Stranger things have happened, and I'm absolutely sure this is what's in store for the Pats.

Don't put money on it. I think they only real stumbling block out there is the Giants. Jets and Dolphins I think those games will be over before halftime. But is would be funny to see the unbeaten Pats lose to the winnless Dolphins.

 

[Nav22]

I think trading a 5th rounder next year for the Pats D in fantasy, like I did on the night before the trade deadline, might be the move that wins me the championship.

Next 2 games... Jets at home, Dolphins at home.

 

[TheHerd]

Karma is a be-otch, but this is highly probably scenario. Stranger things have happened, and I'm absolutely sure this is what's in store for the Pats.

Karma never seems to find these guys. 5 years and counting...

 

[theebs]

The only thing that is more boring than talking about politics is talking about the spygate incident.

It is a non issue. The same people who are up in arms over it would be dissmissing it if it happened to there team.

I cant wait till this nonsense is over especially since it looks to me that the pats can tell the 11 guys playing defense across from them which play they are going to run and the defense would have about a 30% chance of stopping it.

 

[onetrickpony]

If the Pats ever hang a hundred on someone, this is the game.

 

[Rack]

Updated: December 12, 2007, 10:39 AM ET

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There's a new wrinkle in the Spygate controversy between the Patriots and the Jets.

According to a published report, a Jets employee was asked to stop videotaping the Patriots sideline during the first quarter of a game in Foxborough last season. Jets officials claim everything was above board.

"All filming at last year's Patriots game was done with pre-approval from the Patriots and in accordance with NFL rules," Bruce Speight, the Jets' senior director of media relations, told Newsday.

The Jets employee at the stadium was removed but the camera was not confiscated, according to the report. The employee's filming took place on the mezzanine level of the stadium.

The newspaper also said there was some confusion as to which Patriots home game the videotaping occurred. New York played at New England twice, including a playoff game.

In Week 1 of this season, New England was sanctioned by the NFL for videotaping the Jets' sideline. The NFL took away the Patriots' first-round draft pick, fined the team $250,000 and fined head coach Bill Belichick another $500,000.

On Sunday, New England is looking to improve its record to 14-0 when they host the Jets at Foxborough. The Patriots can clinch home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win.


Newsday article: http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets1212,0,3978329.story

All this does is prove that Belicheat is a lying piece of crap.


Remember when he said he didn't know the rules and thought it was ok to cheat (aka film defensive signals)?

If he thought it was ok, why would he and the taperiots want an alleged Jets employee removed from the game for videotaping them?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Karma is a be-otch, but this is highly probably scenario. Stranger things have happened, and I'm absolutely sure this is what's in store for the Pats.

I think it was the Dolphins that ruined the Bears perfect season years back.

However I doubt they pull it off this time, would love it if they did though.

 

[theebs]

I think it was the Dolphins that ruined the Bears perfect season years back.

However I doubt they pull it off this time, would love it if they did though.

are duper, clayton, johnson and marino going to be there?

oh then um no miami has no chance!!

 

[Don Corleone]

are duper, clayton, johnson and marino going to be there?

oh then um no miami has no chance!!

No, but Mercury Morris will be there to give a pre game pep talk.

 

[Nors]

Ibroke this story months ago, and fact is in regular season situation they escorted the Jets employee off the field. And they didn't rat him to NFL like Manginirat did. Good look for that snitch getting another NFL Job. His best chance is to be a coordinator for Petrino.....


Mangini: Jets taped during playoff game last season, but received permission from Pats

By DENNIS WASZAK Jr., AP Sports Writer
December 12, 2007

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- The spy games between the New York Jets and New England Patriots began last season.

The Jets were caught videotaping at Gillette Stadium last season and the Patriots had that New York employee removed from the area, according to published reports Wednesday. Jets coach Eric Mangini said his team received permission to film behind both end zones during the playoff game in January.

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"We taped the game, is what we taped, and we taped end-zone copy of the game, and we tape a double end zone, which is standard operating procedure for us," Mangini said Wednesday. "We request that every single road game, and it's usually granted if physically it's possible. And when people request it from us, we do the same thing: We grant it."

Mangini maintained the Jets did nothing wrong, and had filmed at New England during the regular season without incident. It was nothing like what the Patriots did earlier this season, when a New England employee was caught taping New York's defensive signals and punished by the league.

"We do it every time we go on the road," Mangini repeated. "We ask for permission to do it. It's within the league rules, and when people ask us to do it, we grant it, as well."

When asked why the Patriots stopped the Jets if they had already given them permission, Mangini just shrugged.

"I don't know," he said. "Really, it just was what it was. We had asked for permission, it was granted and then that changed, and we respect their decision. It's their stadium."

Mangini was also asked if the Jets were, at all, taping the Patriots' defensive signals.

"No," Mangini said smugly.

He was then asked if the Patriots requested similar permission to have someone taping at various angles or end-zone angles. Again, Mangini replied simply: "No."

The Jets have not asked the undefeated Patriots if they can film from the end zones this Sunday at Foxborough.

"Just didn't look to get permission," Mangini said. "Didn't think it would be granted."

New England coach Bill Belichick refused to address the situation during his news conference with Patriots reporters.

"There's a lot of things that have happened in the past," Belichick said. "Really, the past is in the past."

Patriots players were also staying away from the issue, much as they did when Pittsburgh's Anthony Smith guaranteed a victory over New England last week.

"It just doesn't matter. Who cares?" safety Rodney Harrison said. "It has no impact whatsoever, just like when Smith made his comments. It has no impact. The game isn't won or lost through the media Monday through Saturday. It's won or lost on Sunday, 1 o'clock. It's whoever makes more plays."

This is just the latest in the long-running rivalry between the teams. After helping Belichick and the Patriots win three Super Bowls as a defensive assistant, Mangini left to become coach of the Jets. The relationship between the two has been frosty since.

Things got even chillier after a Patriots video assistant was caught taping from the sidelines during their game against the Jets in Week 1, a move some speculated fueled New England's drive to perfection. The NFL punished the Patriots by taking away their first-round draft pick, fined them $250,000 and fined Belichick another $500,000.

A league rule prohibits teams from using a video camera on the sidelines for any purpose. In the Jets' case, they were filming from the end zone. The Jets film from both end zones during practice, a common procedure used by NFL teams.

"When you practice, anytime you practice, you try to shoot the unit from the sideline and then from the end zone behind them, so that you can see hand placement, fits, that type of thing," Mangini said. "That's how you watch practice every day. That's how you evaluate practice every day. And it's the same thing with games. You like to have that same copy because, really, that's just an extension of the evaluation."

Mangini was unsure how many teams have asked for similar permission from New York, but said the Jets have granted it to those that have. He also said the Jets have not been turned down by any teams this season.

"It's usually just a function of whether there's a location that we can do it from or not," he said. "It's a pretty common courtesy."

 

[Nors]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/12/nfl_jets_action.html

 

[Aikbach]

First of all this is a different violation than that of the Pats and since there was no grievance taken to the league office there is no penalty awaiting the Jets.

Secondly you build a preposterous fallacy that seems to want to say that if someone else is caught cheating it excuses another club for having been caught breaking the rules of integrity as well, that is not the case, certainly not a just response.

IF the Jets are found to have actually cheated and penalized accordingly then both organizations should be held in contempt, funny how Mangini springs from the coaching tree of Bellicheat as well, roundaboutly I might as well indict him as well using your loopy logic.

 

[zrinkill]

I broke this story months ago

So you are a reporter now?

 

[Nors]

So you are a reporter now?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97464&highlight=manginirat

No but I told you Pats caught Jets and just escorted them off the field. Post below

Quint, Jimmy Johnson on radio recently said he filmed signals too. Everyone does it. Switzer almost said the same. Does that make us cheaters? Manginirat was taping Pats last year and all Pats did was make them stop.
Oue defense has what 9 turnovers last two weeks? Basically without Ferguson, Tnew and Ellis. I'm ok with Mr Fix its defense. In fact it will only get better. Same defense that imploded on BP. Our defense is a big part of our scoring outbursts. Flat out TD's and short fields.

Teams fall behind will tend to rack up yards and MISTAKES (Turnovers). We are playing from ahead a lot this year

 

[Nors]

I thought NFL stated that it was only legal to do it in press box under a roof? Now a NFL coach says that teams were asking permission to cheat and teams granting?

And why was his tape recorder escorted last year by Pats out of Stadium?

 

[WoodysGirl]

POSTED 4:30 p.m. EST, December 12, 2007

SOURCE: "LEAGUE SHOULD DEMAND TO SEE JETS TAPES"

In light of the Wednesday comments of Jets coach Eric Mangini regarding the team's practice of videotaping during NFL games, a league source tells us that, in the source's opinion, the league should immediately demand to see all of the tapes that the Jets have made.

Mangini explained the practice on Wednesday to the media, and he claimed that the Patriots and other teams routinely gave permission to the Jets to engage in it.

"Really, it just was what it was," Mangini said. "We had asked for permission, it was granted, then that changed and we respect their decision. It's their stadium."

Mangini said that, when playing on the road, the Jets film a "double end zone." One camera is at field level and another one is up above.

"You can see hand placement, fits, that type of thing. That's how you watch practice every day. That's how you evaluate practice every day. And it's the same thing with games."

Mangini thought that the decision of the Pats to grant permission and then revoke it was no big deal. "It was one of those things where the game was over and they have the ability to make those decisions in their stadium. You respect the decisions they make. You have to seek permission, and should they change their mind, they have every right to."

Our source thinks it all a bunch of crap. Said the source: "Do you really think teams are allowing this? The league should ask the Jets who from the Patriots gave them permission. . . . The league should look at the tapes that they have accumulated 'with permission'. They should interview the person that did the videotaping, [and] let that person know that lying would be a big problem."

Besides, why in the heck are the Jets even talking about any of this? Though they've apparently opted not to deny that there was any kind of videotaping that occurred, the explanation that has been provided suggests the existence of a trail of objective evidence that would be readily verifiable or, alternatively, debunkable.

That's why the source thinks the league should look into this. The source believes (as do, we suspect, many other league insiders) that Mangini is offering up a version of reality with which true reality won't mesh.


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POSTED 3:57 p.m. EST, December 12, 2007

JETS CLARIFY TANNENBAUM COMMENTS

We pointed out earlier today that the admission by the Jets of an incident in 2006 regarding videotaping at Gillette Stadium conflicts with comments from October that G.M. Mike Tannenbaum made to Jay Glazer of FOX.

Jets Senior Director of Media Relations Bruce Speight contacted us this afternoon to clarify the remarks.

Speight said that two different questions were being answered. When Glazer posed his question, Speight said, the question was whether the Jets would confirm that one of the team's video employees had been removed from Gillette Stadium for "doing the same thing the Patriots were doing."

"[A]bsolutely no truth to that whatsoever!" Tannenbaum said in response. "Completely false!"

More recently, the question posed to the team was whether a member of the staff was caught taping by the Pats and was then asked to stop.

Is it Clintonesque hair-splitting, or a legitimate misunderstanding? In our view, a more accurate response from Tannenbaum would have been to say that there was no Jets employee videotaping defensive signals, but that there was a situation in which the Patriots had revoked permission to tape that previously had been given.

Using words like "absolutely no truth whatsoever!" and "[c]ompletely false!" creates the impression that there was nothing even remotely close to the same thing going on. Clearly, there was.

 

[Nors]

Jets are in real trouble here - they recorded in 2006 and were caught and removed but not ratted out.

Manginirat is in clear violation of NFL policy but is saying it was a league wide team request and ok to cheat and break NFL policy....

Goodel needs to hammer Manginirat like he did Hoodie - both did the same thing....

Which at end of day most all teams were/are doing.....