JFK assassination– conspiracy or not...

[MichaelWinicki]

What are you thoughts?

 

[SMASHMOUTH9473]

Conspiracy..... yes
Can it be proven. ..not yet
Lone gunman LHO....no
Who profited. ...LBJ & his BELL HELICOPTER cronnies
Who mourns. ...a nation

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The black budget that goes into Area 51. That's the riddle of all riddles.

As for Kennedy, all you need to know is what were the secret service agents doing. This is proof something was up.

 

[Bizwah]

Oswald

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Oswald

I've come back to that conclusion... I've read and watched an awful lot of information both pro and anti-conspiracy and while on some days I think, "You know there could have been a conspiracy" to all this, but most of the time I feel like it was Oswald and only Oswald.

Some of the newer information that's out there, and there was something on the History Channel (or something similar) not long ago that showed that the "Magic bullet" theory was more than plausible.

But the real kicker for me was another show that reenacted the shooting of Oswald by Jack Ruby and how the sequence of events was so happenstance that it makes it very difficult to believe Ruby shooting Oswald was a planned "hit" and not just a simple case of Ruby losing his composure because he had the opportunity (then and there) and end this part of the saga for the Kennedy family.

And to me if you remove Ruby as a part of the conspiracy it greatly weakens the rest of the conspiracy story.

Another smaller part of the conspiracy-wrecking aspect is the J.D. Tippet shooting. I just don't see a lot out there in the way of solid-information that supports anyone, other than Oswald shooting Tippet.

And again, if Oswald did shoot Tippet, then he at least proves that he was in a state of mind (at that point) where he could kill or recently could have killed others.

 

[arglebargle]

There was definitely a conspiracy in the investigation of the assassination: They were determined to find it to be the work of a 'lone, crazed gunman'. Makes it much harder to discern whether or not that was true.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

The RFK assassination seems much more like a conspiracy. In 2011 they proved that the guy sitting in jail in 1968 may be innocent as his gun couldn't match the bullets found within Kennedy... since then, nothing. http://news.yahoo.com/lawyers-bullet-switched-sirhans-trial-231726566.html

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There was definitely a conspiracy in the investigation of the assassination: They were determined to find it to be the work of a 'lone, crazed gunman'. Makes it much harder to discern whether or not that was true.

I'm not sure if there was a conspiracy in the investigation or it was simply a poorly done investigation.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Clearly, he was killed by a group of police officers who conspired to knock him out of the picture just because they could.

At least, that's what CowboyMcCoy told me..

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

But the real kicker for me was another show that reenacted the shooting of Oswald by Jack Ruby and how the sequence of events was so happenstance that it makes it very difficult to believe Ruby shooting Oswald was a planned "hit" and not just a simple case of Ruby losing his composure because he had the opportunity (then and there) and end this part of the saga for the Kennedy family.

Gail Raven may disagree . . . . . . . . .

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Gail Raven may disagree . . . . . . . . .

That's the challenge with this case... The contradictions...

Nancy Myers aka Tammi True, was also an exotic dancer for Jack and she says Jack was distraught over the Kennedy shooting and shot Oswald because of that.

 

[Bizwah]

I've come back to that conclusion... I've read and watched an awful lot of information both pro and anti-conspiracy and while on some days I think, "You know there could have been a conspiracy" to all this, but most of the time I feel like it was Oswald and only Oswald.

Some of the newer information that's out there, and there was something on the History Channel (or something similar) not long ago that showed that the "Magic bullet" theory was more than plausible.

But the real kicker for me was another show that reenacted the shooting of Oswald by Jack Ruby and how the sequence of events was so happenstance that it makes it very difficult to believe Ruby shooting Oswald was a planned "hit" and not just a simple case of Ruby losing his composure because he had the opportunity (then and there) and end this part of the saga for the Kennedy family.

And to me if you remove Ruby as a part of the conspiracy it greatly weakens the rest of the conspiracy story.

Another smaller part of the conspiracy-wrecking aspect is the J.D. Tippet shooting. I just don't see a lot out there in the way of solid-information that supports anyone, other than Oswald shooting Tippet.

And again, if Oswald did shoot Tippet, then he at least proves that he was in a state of mind (at that point) where he could kill or recently could have killed others.

Over the last fifty years ever single bit of forensics evidence points to Oswald.

 

[blindzebra]

Oswald alone.

It is not even in question. There is not one single concrete piece of evidence that says otherwise.

A shot from the GK would have exited Kennedy's left side...there was no wound on his left and it likely would have hit Jackie. Every reenactment clearly shows 3 shots from behind. First shot hit the street light and caused the Taque fragment wound. Second shot hit Kennedy and Connelly. Third shot hit Kennedy. If you watch the enhanced Zapruder film there is no question of a exit wound in the front of his head. The flap above his ear is visable in the film.

Every thing about Oswald screams sociopath. He was a narricist who wanted the spot light.

Ruby wanted to spare Jackie of having to relive things at a trial.

And this is coming from a person that was a conspiracy nut growing up.

 

[Bizwah]

Oswald alone.

It is not even in question. There is not one single concrete piece of evidence that says otherwise.

A shot from the GK would have exited Kennedy's left side...there was no wound on his left and it likely would have hit Jackie. Every reenactment clearly shows 3 shots from behind. First shot hit the street light and caused the Taque fragment wound. Second shot hit Kennedy and Connelly. Third shot hit Kennedy. If you watch the enhanced Zapruder film there is no question of a exit wound in the front of his head. The flap above his ear is visable in the film.

Every thing about Oswald screams sociopath. He was a narricist who wanted the spot light.

Ruby wanted to spare Jackie of having to relive things at a trial.

And this is coming from a person that was a conspiracy nut growing up.

Oswald's own brother agrees it was LhO alone. He said if there was any chance of a conspiracy, he'd be shouting it from the rooftops.

And, while it's strange to see JFKs head moving back and to the left, that's not how you determine where the bullet comes from. You use the entry and exit wounds to determine that. Clearly those shots came from Oswald's position in the TSBD.

Oswald alone...period.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

That's the challenge with this case... The contradictions...

Nancy Myers aka Tammi True, was also an exotic dancer for Jack and she says Jack was distraught over the Kennedy shooting and shot Oswald because of that.

You're right, the contradictions are always there. Its a topic that never grows old IMO.

 

[dropdeadfred5]

I have never heard that they were able to show Oswald doing any practicing in the weeks before the assassination. For those so willing to believe it was Oswald alone that is a big poke in their eyes. Oswald was not a sniper or even close to it.

Also the very strange orders given to the Secret Service in the days before the assassination have never been explained.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Oswald was not a sniper or even close to it.

Yep. Oswald pulling that off with a single shot bolt action rifle in that time frame is nothing short of miraculous.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I do not believe there was one gunman.

I have to say though although it was long before my time I really admired President Kennedy. He was making a difference. What a tragedy.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I do not believe there was one gunman.

I have to say though although it was long before my time I really admired President Kennedy. He was making a difference. What a tragedy.

The Kennedy Presidency is a real bugger to judge. On one hand he and the Jackie were mesmerizing. There's just no two ways about it... Like'em, dislike'em you have to say he (they) were more charismatic than any president/first lady since then.

The showdown with the Soviet Union... I don't think any of us who didn't go through that can really understand the tension brought to the entire country and world over that situation. And Kennedy handled it about as well as you could.

For me that's the high point of his presidency. You've got a boatload of outright failures like "Bay of Pigs" and of course there is a connection to Vietnam (no matter what he would have done about Vietnam if he had lived).

I've read that there were no major legislative pieces put forth by the Kennedy administration during his time in office... which of course would be a negative.

 

[Bizwah]

I have never heard that they were able to show Oswald doing any practicing in the weeks before the assassination. For those so willing to believe it was Oswald alone that is a big poke in their eyes. Oswald was not a sniper or even close to it.

Also the very strange orders given to the Secret Service in the days before the assassination have never been explained.

Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter in the Marines.

He got off three shots in 8.4 seconds. Not the 5 that conspiracy buffs hang to. Three shots in eight seconds is very doable.

I'm not sure about the strange orders given by the SS. If you mean publicizing the route...that was fairly standard. If you mean removing the bubble top on the limo, that was JFK himself that ordered it off.