JJ Wilcox-can't find anything positive on tape...

Aliencowboy

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Seriously, anyone find something really positive
looking on tape. He's the only player I didn't think
could come in and get significant playing time. The others
all look like talented players to me with a lot of upside.

I saw one play that looked like he demonstrated excellent
hand-eye coordination to knock a ball away only to find out
that it was called a penalty. Didn't look like anything special as
a tackler in the videos I saw either.
 

CATCH17

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Like Escobar there just isn't enough of their games out there to really know.

With what's available I actually agree with you.
 

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I don't think he looked bad and you can see their attraction to his athleticism. I like his speed, athleticism, toughness, and versatility. He's a football player and anywhere you put him he seems to thrive. We'll see. He has the tools to play in this league. So much of the play of DBs esp S and LBs are instincts. That's hard to teach. We'll see.
 

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Aliencowboy;5071938 said:
Seriously, anyone find something really positive
looking on tape. He's the only player I didn't think
could come in and get significant playing time. The others
all look like talented players to me with a lot of upside.

I saw one play that looked like he demonstrated excellent
hand-eye coordination to knock a ball away only to find out
that it was called a penalty. Didn't look like anything special as
a tackler in the videos I saw either.
Hard to believe that you don't see anything positive in this video:

[youtubehd]zkPc_QikvRs[/youtubehd]
 

Aliencowboy

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Wait...now I see it. 4th string running back. Back up returner.

Anyway, hope I'm wrong...


xwalker;5071964 said:
Hard to believe that you don't see anything positive in this video:

[youtubehd]zkPc_QikvRs[/youtubehd]
 

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Aliencowboy;5071984 said:
Wait...now I see it. 4th string running back. Back up returner.

Anyway, hope I'm wrong...
Don't worry. You are.

;)
 

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Aliencowboy;5071984 said:
Wait...now I see it. 4th string running back. Back up returner.

Anyway, hope I'm wrong...
Did you not see any positive defensive plays from the video?
 

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Its not just that, the guy looked like the best safety at the senior bowl.
 

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Aliencowboy;5071984 said:
Wait...now I see it. 4th string running back. Back up returner.

Anyway, hope I'm wrong...

And another one goes on ignore. It's obvious that you have no interest in watching the video. I think there were two plays in there that were not KR or S.

You can watch him break on balls in the air out of a zone and get there to get the INT. You can watch him turn around , find the ball and deflect it in man coverage. Any Cowboys fan should know the merit in that. You can watch his aggressiveness in run support. You can watch his ability to break down and make the tackle when the play is coming directly at him.

It's bloody blatant but you are interested in whatever it is that really interests you because 'seeing' obviously is not it.
 

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Sorry, what I really mean to say is that for a 3rd round pick there
is nothing on that highlight reel against low level competition that makes me think he will start in the NFL or that he has any potential beyond ST.

For all our other picks, I could see a lot of potential and talent to start at their projected positions. Even Holloman looks like twice the player this guy is


03EBZ06;5071990 said:
Did you not see any positive defensive plays from the video?
 

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Got my fingers crossed on Johnson and Wilcox solving our safety dilemma.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;5071997 said:
And another one goes on ignore. It's obvious that you have no interest in watching the video. I think there were two plays in there that were not KR or S.

You can watch him break on balls in the air out of a zone and get there to get the INT. You can watch him turn around , find the ball and deflect it in man coverage. Any Cowboys fan should know the merit in that. You can watch his aggressiveness in run support. You can watch his ability to break down and make the tackle when the play is coming directly at him.

It's bloody blatant but you are interested in whatever it is that really interests you because 'seeing' obviously is not it.

I agree with Fuzzy.

OP is trolling perhaps because a pet cat was not chosen with the pick.

The guy is raw having only played one year at the position and did it at a low level of football.

There are a couple of things I really love about him that are obvious on the film shown here:

1. He is physical

2. He can locate the ball when beaten instead of flailing away and hoping the ball hits him. Not many guys can do that in the NFL.

3. He is aggressive going after INTs when the opportunity presently itself.

4. He seems to understand angles in pursuit and knows how to fill a gap with authority and decisively which is a very important skill for a Safety to have

Only time will tell if it was a good pick and we are able to convert him into an NFL Safety but he demonstrates real Safety skills, has an NFL body, has NFL athleticism, has NFL physicality and ball skills from his days as an offensive player. They could have gone with a safer pick who might hit the field earlier but I think they went after a guy who fits what we envision a Safety to be. He is actually a bit like Matt Johnson's video in that he seems like he is shot out of a cannon compared to the guys around him which is what you want to see from a guy who played at a lower level of competition and looks to be able to compete well against higher levels of competition.
 

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To be honest, I was way more impressed with Johnson's highlights coming out of Eastern Washington than Wilcox's. That might not mean anything other than Johnson has a better highlight real and Wilcox is a better every down player. In any case, I'd have Johnson above him in the depth chart come August.
 

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Eskimo;5072025 said:
I agree with Fuzzy.

OP is trolling perhaps because a pet cat was not chosen with the pick.

The guy is raw having only played one year at the position and did it at a low level of football.

There are a couple of things I really love about him that are obvious on the film shown here:

1. He is physical

2. He can locate the ball when beaten instead of flailing away and hoping the ball hits him. Not many guys can do that in the NFL.

3. He is aggressive going after INTs when the opportunity presently itself.

4. He seems to understand angles in pursuit and knows how to fill a gap with authority and decisively which is a very important skill for a Safety to have

Only time will tell if it was a good pick and we are able to convert him into an NFL Safety but he demonstrates real Safety skills, has an NFL body, has NFL athleticism, has NFL physicality and ball skills from his days as an offensive player. They could have gone with a safer pick who might hit the field earlier but I think they went after a guy who fits what we envision a Safety to be. He is actually a bit like Matt Johnson's video in that he seems like he is shot out of a cannon compared to the guys around him which is what you want to see from a guy who played at a lower level of competition and looks to be able to compete well against higher levels of competition.

Agreed.

Hope he turns into a great safety for us, just have to wait and see.
 

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You must be kidding me. Matt Johnson's tape and JJWilcox's tape are worlds apart. Matt Johnson is a major player in this video. Laying wood, causing fumbles and making interceptions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TeznwsgtCY

MJ was taken in the 4th too. I have hopes for him his year.

Eskimo;5072025 said:
I agree with Fuzzy.

OP is trolling perhaps because a pet cat was not chosen with the pick.

The guy is raw having only played one year at the position and did it at a low level of football.

There are a couple of things I really love about him that are obvious on the film shown here:

1. He is physical

2. He can locate the ball when beaten instead of flailing away and hoping the ball hits him. Not many guys can do that in the NFL.

3. He is aggressive going after INTs when the opportunity presently itself.

4. He seems to understand angles in pursuit and knows how to fill a gap with authority and decisively which is a very important skill for a Safety to have

Only time will tell if it was a good pick and we are able to convert him into an NFL Safety but he demonstrates real Safety skills, has an NFL body, has NFL athleticism, has NFL physicality and ball skills from his days as an offensive player. They could have gone with a safer pick who might hit the field earlier but I think they went after a guy who fits what we envision a Safety to be. He is actually a bit like Matt Johnson's video in that he seems like he is shot out of a cannon compared to the guys around him which is what you want to see from a guy who played at a lower level of competition and looks to be able to compete well against higher levels of competition.
 

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The problem is fans think we were looking for the FS ball hawk in this draft.

The Cowboys think Johnson is a deep safety ball hawk. They've seen Church play decently deep. I believe Wilcox is viewed as the big, fast, downhill SS playing in the box.
 

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Lol I love it. "I can't see anything on tape". You mean youtube highlight videos? Lol. I love forum scouts and youtube scouts.
 

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Chuck 54;5072040 said:
The problem is fans think we were looking for the FS ball hawk in this draft.

The Cowboys think Johnson is a deep safety ball hawk. They've seen Church play decently deep. I believe Wilcox is viewed as the big, fast, downhill SS playing in the box.

Lol no. He's seen as a safety with all around upside. Do people not realize he has only played safety for one year and yet looked competent doing it? I'm really excited about his measurables, character, and attitude he plays with.
 
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