JJT: Jason Garrett deserves blame for Cowboys' horrendous offense

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We're the seventh-worst scoring offense because we have the highest interception rate in the league (ie., terrible quarterbacking), the third-worst average starting field position (defense is terrible at forcing turnovers) and our head coach thinks punting, kicking field goals and "keeping the game close" are the keys to winning. Everything else is tangential.
 

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I don't think it's possible to completely stock a team with players that can simply always win their one-on-one match ups.

And if you're trying to do that, why bother having coaches at all if they bring nothing to the table?

It was possible before the salary cap....
 

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I don't think it's possible to completely stock a team with players that can simply always win their one-on-one match ups.

And if you're trying to do that, why bother having coaches at all if they bring nothing to the table?

Exactly my point.

Rather than complain (most of us on the board) about the WRs and their liabilities, we should focus on the coaches who failed to capitalize on their abilities.
 

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Just curious, why are you a huge Garrett supporter?

Not speaking for anyone but I wonder the same thing and I think the answer to your question has everything to do with perception. Let look at what you want in a coach, YOUTH, because if he's successful then he'll probably be here for awhile. Next is SMARTS, the guy graduated from Princeton need I say more. TIES TO THE ORGANIZATION, he was a backup here in the glory days. THE LOOK: in the press conferences and on the sidelines JG looks the part and in the press conference he quotes directly from Coach Speak 101.

Notice I didn't mention anything about the on field product, he gives you no advantage on the sidelines on Sundays but he sure does look the part. He has it all down pat with the exception of the coaching part.
 

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Not speaking for anyone but I wonder the same thing and I think the answer to your question has everything to do with perception. Let look at what you want in a coach, YOUTH, because if he's successful then he'll probably be here for awhile. Next is SMARTS, the guy graduated from Princeton need I say more. TIES TO THE ORGANIZATION, he was a backup here in the glory days. THE LOOK: in the press conferences and on the sidelines JG looks the part and in the press conference he quotes directly from Coach Speak 101.

Notice I didn't mention anything about the on field product, he gives you no advantage on the sidelines on Sundays but he sure does look the part.

Thanks for answering, unfortunately now I'm even more confused.
 

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I read maybe a year back an article that indicated the Cowboys WRs ran more "Go" routes than any other team in the NFL.

What that means? I'm not sure so -- however, the insinuation was that Cowboy's WR routes weren't very varied.

It tells me the run the same CR#$ over and over again and take what the defense gives them. Very little variation.
 

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I have argued (now that comes as a shock to most of you) since the days after Jimmy left, when this site was at a different location and had a much different look, that coaching is beholden to the players on the team. Great coaches normally have great players that execute his scheme. My argument was that Campo was never Vince Lombardi, but there is no way any of the fans could possibly know how good a head coach he was if he did not have a quarterback who could execute his scheme. Campo was not a great head coach, but what skills he might have possessed were hidden by the crap the team put on the field week in and week out.

Campo was still a doofus and lousy coach. So hear what I am saying.

I am not a Garrett fan. I think this was some laissez-faire nepotism that got him hired because he was on the team when they won. Along with an owner who had to pave the way for a GM to take credit.

All success has many fathers, but, this season is an orphan on the doorstep of questionable talent. You can make claim of the talent that is here. Lawrence is showing he might be the real deal. Jones was an excellent draft pick and will pay dividends for the next seven or eight years. Fred-beard, Zach, and Tyron Smith are certainly talents. And Collins is headed toward being one, as well.

Sean Lee is head and shoulders above everyone on this team but Romo.

But the subtraction of playmakers in Romo, Dez, and a consistent running back caused this team to fall apart.

This is the truth about the 92, 93, and 95 teams. They played a bend don't break defense, but it was the pressure the offense put on other teams that made the defense better. So with this in mind, the falling from grace of the 2015 Cowboys could have been predicted to a degree when the fact the players who drove the offense left.

I do not hold Garrett responsible for those players leaving/getting hurt. And when laying blame, Garrett should not be responsible for the subtraction of the epi-center of quality that made the team a contender the year before.

So in this debate I do not agree with JJT this aspect of the 2015 team is inconsequential and has no bearing on the outcome.

However, the premise of the article strikes at Garrett's weakness, which was there for all to see season after season when he was the OC and then ushered into the HC job. He just isn't very clever at being clever.

NEWSFLASH: Tony Romo is the reason the offense works. Not because of his skill set as quarterback, per se, but his skill set at putting the pieces in place so his talent can deliver.

And in that nugget is why Garrett was along for the ride last year, and is simply a red-headed version of Dave Campo with better talent.

Most coaches are run of the mill. So talent will usually win the day when it comes to average coaches. Great coaches although they need talent like the rest, they have a way of getting every ounce of talent in a player. And given equal or slightly less talent they will win more times than not against lessor coaching. And most great coaches are innovators and they change the game in some way.

These are the type of coaches that need to be here in Dallas. Garrett is nothing even close. In 10 years he wouldnt be anything close. That was obvious from day #1 when he was the OC here.

Now he cant be blamed for romo getting hurt, but he can be blamed for not have a good enough backup and not drafting a suitable young QB to groom. And or having Weeden or Cassell ready or properly implementing them. Its his job to make sure of those things.

And he certainly can be blamed for NOT bringing in enough quality talent at RB after Murray was let go. And if NONE of that was his decision and he doesnt control the players that come in here, then like I have said many times he is absolutely useless. If you are the head coach and you cant convince Jones of his dumb obvious mistakes, then you dont belong here. THIS team MUST have a strong willed head coach that convinces Jerry away from his stupid decisions. Garrett is simply happy to have a head coaching job as it would appear. We need a guy that could care less if he works here or not and will speak his mind regardless. A guy that will all but quit if he feels his advice is not being taken seriously.

Jason Garrett is the poster child for EXACTLY the type of coach we DO NOT NEED in Dallas. Wade was the same way. WE DONT NEED PUPPETS here in Dallas.

Not the fact that Jones WANTS puppets is besides the point. And I will never agree to any kind of "he is the best we can hope for" nonsense.
 

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I might add Broaddus seems to be getting a little more publicly critical of Garrett also. More implied in his breakdowns but he too seems exasperated with the game planning.

I don't know how anyone can miss it. The other teams sure don't. We took Witten out of the last game plan before it even started and the Bills said thank you give us Hanna!
 

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I am a HUGE Garret supporter and just as I praise him for the good things I also blame him for the bad ones. He is the HEAD COACH .. not gonna call for his head or go overboard.. but no team with such group of players should lose 7 in a row..

I think the DC and OC are fine, even excellent, but the position coaches and their head coach need to take the blame and the head coach needs to reshuffle his coaching staff .. CBs, DBs, WRs, TEs, DLs, OLs .. ALL need to go .. and Jerry (I doubt it gonna happen) should let Garret hire everybody

:cool:

I give you a lot of credit for admitting you are a HUGE Garrett supporter at this time. Well done. Most of the Garrett lovers are in hiding these days and wont come out and play. Or they have jumped ship where guys like you have not.

All that aside, I have trouble respecting that as a Cowboys fan. Any true blooded Cowboys fan with the team dear in their hearts could NEVER support Garrett at this point. But maybe you think that support of anyone and anything Cowboy is what makes you a great Cowboys fan. I am sure we could argue that for a while, which we wont.
 

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I am a HUGE Garret supporter and just as I praise him for the good things I also blame him for the bad ones. He is the HEAD COACH .. not gonna call for his head or go overboard.. but no team with such group of players should lose 7 in a row..

I think the DC and OC are fine, even excellent, but the position coaches and their head coach need to take the blame and the head coach needs to reshuffle his coaching staff .. CBs, DBs, WRs, TEs, DLs, OLs .. ALL need to go .. and Jerry (I doubt it gonna happen) should let Garret hire everybody

:cool:

LOL......I just finished reading the whole post. So we should basically get rid of everyone, most of the players, and even the coaches. But keep Garrett and let him be the one to make the decisions? LOL

How about we just get rid of Garrett instead of everyone else? You cant be serious with that post. ON some levels, its trollish. Only a true Cowboy hater would say anything so ridiculous.
 

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Exactly my point.

Rather than complain (most of us on the board) about the WRs and their liabilities, we should focus on the coaches who failed to capitalize on their abilities.

And how infuriating is it that one of the WR's who looks like he could have helped was deactivated for a guy who plays special teams (badly)?

It gives me little hope that these coaches even know what to do with talent when they have it.
 

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Not speaking for anyone but I wonder the same thing and I think the answer to your question has everything to do with perception. Let look at what you want in a coach, YOUTH, because if he's successful then he'll probably be here for awhile. Next is SMARTS, the guy graduated from Princeton need I say more. TIES TO THE ORGANIZATION, he was a backup here in the glory days. THE LOOK: in the press conferences and on the sidelines JG looks the part and in the press conference he quotes directly from Coach Speak 101.

Notice I didn't mention anything about the on field product, he gives you no advantage on the sidelines on Sundays but he sure does look the part. He has it all down pat with the exception of the coaching part.

Youth, ties, and look are absolutely 100% at the bottom of the list on what you want in a coach. Smarts is even debatable. You need a good football mind, but guys dont have to be geniuses to be great coaches in this league.

So I am going to assume that this is what you think Garrett lovers think you should look for in a coach correct?
 

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Youth, ties, and look are absolutely 100% at the bottom of the list on what you want in a coach. Smarts is even debatable. You need a good football mind, but guys dont have to be geniuses to be great coaches in this league.

So I am going to assume that this is what you think Garrett lovers think you should look for in a coach correct?

No that's what some thought we were getting when he was hired.
 

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And how infuriating is it that one of the WR's who looks like he could have helped was deactivated for a guy who plays special teams (badly)?

It gives me little hope that these coaches even know what to do with talent when they have it.

Yeah I never got the Street over Butler thing. Street over anybody for that matter.
 

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I agree with much of your premise... But, he should be offered a choice by Jones either change or resign. Not being able to throw slants and pick plays is killing this team. He also needs to be able to tailor the offense to the players who are going to play on Sunday, not just the stars who have been missing most of this year...

I understand the issue with the play calling but I have a bigger issue with the complete miss-evaluation of the QB position. If these folks couldn't evaluate Weeden after having him on the roster for 2 years, then we have bigger issues.
 

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No that's what some thought we were getting when he was hired.

I have been doing several chat rooms for a long time and in my opinion most of the Garrett lovers were Wade haters. They wanted anyone to come in here and Garrett was the obvious next choice. So when Wade got fired they had already hitched their wagon to Garrett and were hoping upon hope for his success so they could justify their hatred and be right concerning Wade. Some are just Cowboy homers and will support anything Cowboy no matter what. And then there are the few that simply cant see what is right in front of them or analyze a coach to save their lives.
 

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No NFL coach with a lower win percentage has received more time than Jason Garrett...

The only one that even comes close is 2012s Jeff Fisher who has a much better resume than Garrett...

Garrett certainly hasn't done enough to warrant this kind of loyalty... It's absolutely stunning.

The ironic part is that after we lose next week this team will be 4-12 so after a 12-4 season and three 8-8 seasons Garrett is right on par with his 500 record. LOL

How sad it is...................
 

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Just curious, why are you a huge Garrett supporter?

I give you a lot of credit for admitting you are a HUGE Garrett supporter at this time. Well done. Most of the Garrett lovers are in hiding these days and wont come out and play. Or they have jumped ship where guys like you have not.

All that aside, I have trouble respecting that as a Cowboys fan. Any true blooded Cowboys fan with the team dear in their hearts could NEVER support Garrett at this point. But maybe you think that support of anyone and anything Cowboy is what makes you a great Cowboys fan. I am sure we could argue that for a while, which we wont.

Any true blooded Cowboys fan, to that extent even EVERY, was singing the praises for Garret just 5 months ago. Haters (who praise the world when things go right and blame Garret when something goes wrong) will always hate.

I am not gonna flipflop at the first obstacle .. Yes he had a bad season, he didn't do proper job replacing Romo, but I am sticking with him to correct these things, instead of keep rolling coaches through the front door... Does Marvin Lewis situation teach us anything? Does Ron Rivera situation teach us anything? The world wanted to dumb him a year ago and now what!!!!

Garret took a 2-7 team, with nothing to play for, without the starting QB, with a bunch of losers, quitters and cancers all over the team, and achieved 5-3.
In his first 3 seasons he kept the Cowboys relevant to the very last week of the season when Giants, Eagles, and Skins were falling around us.. you like to call it 8-8 8-8 8-8, but for me a rookie head coach with an intrusive, enabling, irritating owner has done wonders .. not gonna get into discussion here because haters gonna hate regardless of the facts...

As for position coaches, go back for the past couple of years and all this year, I never liked our position coaches even last year, including Callahan. This year justifies my opinion..

I for one of the opinion of letting Garret finish his contract FULLY and let him fix it when it breaks .. it's his right ..to m he earned it.

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I understand the issue with the play calling but I have a bigger issue with the complete miss-evaluation of the QB position. If these folks couldn't evaluate Weeden after having him on the roster for 2 years, then we have bigger issues.

Agreed, and a lot of the QB problems - evaluation, coaching, etc. falls directly on the QB coach. Wade Wilson. Who has done what exactly in the many years he has been here ?
Romo himself credits David Lee as the QB coach who taught him to be an NFL caliber QB. (Who is now a head coach at some college)
Wilson, who I don't pretend to know what his day to day duties are, must have been consulted about all these backup QB's - from retaining Weeden, and saying he would improve from last season, to bringing in Cassel or whomever they tried out. He is after all THE QB COACH !!!
Wilson has done nothing to groom anybody, coach up any body, and hell his evaluation of said QB's sucks donkey --lls.
First coach out the door on Black Monday .....
 

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Not speaking for anyone but I wonder the same thing and I think the answer to your question has everything to do with perception. Let look at what you want in a coach, YOUTH, because if he's successful then he'll probably be here for awhile. Next is SMARTS, the guy graduated from Princeton need I say more. TIES TO THE ORGANIZATION, he was a backup here in the glory days. THE LOOK: in the press conferences and on the sidelines JG looks the part and in the press conference he quotes directly from Coach Speak 101.

Notice I didn't mention anything about the on field product, he gives you no advantage on the sidelines on Sundays but he sure does look the part. He has it all down pat with the exception of the coaching part.


He's never once fooled me.


2007 I thought we had something with him but turns out that he wasn't much of the reason for that offenses success.
 
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