JJT: Robert Griffin III isn't a good fit as backup QB in Dallas

[Floatyworm]

I could see him in philly or houston.

Bet my house it's Cleveland....Him and Josh Gordon ride again.

Then watch Cleveland do something to screw us in the draft. You know it's coming.....

 

[Bullflop]

RGIII will have other more lucrative choices to make than being a backup to Romo for the next 2-3 years.

There may be several teams available to him where he would step right in immediately and be a starter.

Teams like the LA Rams, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Houston quickly come to mind in that mold.

 

[DogFace]

I'm convinced. Who's next?

 

[rynochop]

He's not coming here, you don't completely rewrite the playbook for a backup. The one time he was good was a flash in the pan offense that the defensive coordinators figured out

 

[Yakuza Rich]

How is he better in Dallas than Washington?

Gruden runs a good deal of timing based passing, so does Linehan. To me, if he was a bad fit in Washington, that carries over to Dallas.

Two completely different offensive schemes.

The WCO is completely based on the footwork of the QB. If you have a 5-step drop in a WCO it may look like this:

3 medium strides, a studder step and then a big stride.

And when the back foot hits the ground on the 5th step, the QB has to look at the primary receiver, then the next receiver, then the next, then the checkdown.

If the QB takes 4 medium strides and then a big stride...the timing of the play with the receiver is completely thrown off.

That's why WCO coaches often end up loving the QB with lesser ability like Kirk Cousins, Jim Miller, Doug Pederson, etc. The WCO is more like Bob Knight's motion offense in basketball. The plays are designed specifically so somebody gets open and you can have lesser talented athletes and still score a lot of points if they execute the play as designed.

The Zampese passing offense is more like the basketball coach without any real set plays...it's more about understanding defensive concepts and improvising based off that. Linebacker sits down in a certain area and the receiver reads that and sits down in another area.

For some reason, WCO coaches like to try and take running QB's and fit them into their system. Atlanta did that with Vick, but he was far more effective in Dan Reeves' Zampese based system because it's not so footwork dependent.

The problem I have with RG3 is that he can't see over his linemen and he doesn't have the footwork of a Romo or a Brees to find those passing lanes and fire the ball. He could work in read option style offense, but can't take the pounding. Therefore, I'm skeptical he will ever work in the NFL.








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[Sandyf]

Some simple facts,
1) we do run a timing based offense but certainly not every pass play for if we did then Romo would be hit for less that he has been;
2) based on the offense there is no current free agent or prospective draft prospect that ran the same type of offense and whomever is the new QB backup will have to learn, guess what it is the same for any free agent that comes in on offense or defense and same for draft picks;
3) last time I looked JJT had no bearing on what the coaches, GM, scouts or anyone else within the Dallas Cowboys organization on who they believe is the best fit;
4) as to Cleveland or Houston, forget them, John McClain at Houston has said absolutely "no retread" at QB and they will most likely draft Hackenberg at #22 or move up and do so anyway and Cleveland with Hue Jackson is going to draft one he can mold similar to what he did with Dalton;
5) Los Angeles might be a case but suggest everyone read what Jeff Fisher says first;
6) anybody ever listen to RGIII, he has said he would like to be closer to home and closer to family and money is great but he wants to learn from someone that RESPECTS the game, doesn't sound like a starting gig to me;
7) do any of the current free agent backups look any better than Moore other than RGIII, please enlighten me;
8) why is Moore so good for us, duh maybe because he learned the offense from Linehan while in Detroit and lets see the only other guy that knows it would be Matthew Stafford, not sure but don't think he is available to backup Romo;
9) do any of the current draft QB prospects remind anyone of Aaron Rodgers or Mariota or Winston or Bortles or Carr; watch the film most remind me of Geno Smith (not the guy I would draft); and lastly
10) JJT is a writer to elicit responses from fans and state his opinion right, wrong or otherwise; yours or mine or anyone else opinion on whether RGIII is right for the Cowboys all carry the same weight with the Cowboys decision making staff which if you aren't familiar is zero influence like it or no.

For me and my opinion, these are the guys I would like to see Dallas make a play for in free agency, now will it happen, probably not but I can dream.
Robert Griffin III - QB
Jason Pierre-Paul - DE or Mario Williams - DE
Trumaine Johnson CB or Janois Jackson - CB or Sean Smith - CB
Demario Davis - ILB or Danny Trevathan - ILB
and once released by Cleveland Josh Gordon - WR or trade a future conditional 2017 pick for him like say a 7th that could move to a 3rd depending on production.

 

[KB1122]

Not a fit? What does that mean? That Cowboys quarterbacks don't run the football? I have news for them. Kapernick, Wilson and Newton all run the football. Those are the last four quarterbacks of the NFC champions.

Maybe the Cowboys need to worry less about whether a quarterback fits their offense and worry more about running the offense that wins nowadays.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Against inferior competition though......

Thats why his stocked soared at the Senior Bowl. He showed he was just as good VS NFL level talent

 

[darthseinfeld]

Some simple facts,
1) we do run a timing based offense but certainly not every pass play for if we did then Romo would be hit for less that he has been;
2) based on the offense there is no current free agent or prospective draft prospect that ran the same type of offense and whomever is the new QB backup will have to learn, guess what it is the same for any free agent that comes in on offense or defense and same for draft picks;
3) last time I looked JJT had no bearing on what the coaches, GM, scouts or anyone else within the Dallas Cowboys organization on who they believe is the best fit;
4) as to Cleveland or Houston, forget them, John McClain at Houston has said absolutely "no retread" at QB and they will most likely draft Hackenberg at #22 or move up and do so anyway and Cleveland with Hue Jackson is going to draft one he can mold similar to what he did with Dalton;
5) Los Angeles might be a case but suggest everyone read what Jeff Fisher says first;
6) anybody ever listen to RGIII, he has said he would like to be closer to home and closer to family and money is great but he wants to learn from someone that RESPECTS the game, doesn't sound like a starting gig to me;
7) do any of the current free agent backups look any better than Moore other than RGIII, please enlighten me;
8) why is Moore so good for us, duh maybe because he learned the offense from Linehan while in Detroit and lets see the only other guy that knows it would be Matthew Stafford, not sure but don't think he is available to backup Romo;
9) do any of the current draft QB prospects remind anyone of Aaron Rodgers or Mariota or Winston or Bortles or Carr; watch the film most remind me of Geno Smith (not the guy I would draft); and lastly
10) JJT is a writer to elicit responses from fans and state his opinion right, wrong or otherwise; yours or mine or anyone else opinion on whether RGIII is right for the Cowboys all carry the same weight with the Cowboys decision making staff which if you aren't familiar is zero influence like it or no.

For me and my opinion, these are the guys I would like to see Dallas make a play for in free agency, now will it happen, probably not but I can dream.
Robert Griffin III - QB
Jason Pierre-Paul - DE or Mario Williams - DE
Trumaine Johnson CB or Janois Jackson - CB or Sean Smith - CB
Demario Davis - ILB or Danny Trevathan - ILB
and once released by Cleveland Josh Gordon - WR or trade a future conditional 2017 pick for him like say a 7th that could move to a 3rd depending on production.

How do they remind you of Geno Smith

 

[LatinMind]

Robert Griffin III isn't a good fit as backup QB in Dallas

8:00 AM ET
Jean-Jacques TaylorESPN Staff Writer

IRVING, Texas -- Finally, most of you have come to the conclusion that the Dallas Cowboys aren't going to sign quarterback Johnny Manziel whenever the Cleveland Browns release him.

Now, you're focused on Washington Commanders quarterback Robert Griffin III, who probably will be traded or released this offseason. Guess what? He ain't joining the Cowboys to be Tony Romo's backup either.

And cost has nothing to do with it. Griffin isn't going to command big dollars. But whatever he wants, the Cowboys won't be interested in paying it.

Romo, who will be 36 when next season begins, remains the Cowboys' quarterback for the foreseeable future, but after breaking his collarbone twice last season and sitting out 12 games, the Cowboys need a viable backup.

Griffin isn't the answer. In December, one member of the Cowboys' front office said Griffin was an even worse fit in the Cowboys' offense than Manziel.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14795577/why-robert-griffin-iii-not-good-fit-dallas-cowboys-nfl

JTT is worthless. Griffins best yr came under Shanahan who basically runs a west coast office similar to what Dallas runs right? Who used the run to set up the pass? Am i missing something?

 

[RS12]

Still think the guy they are really looking at is Drew Stanton.

 

[darthseinfeld]

JTT is worthless. Griffins best yr came under Shanahan who basically runs a west coast office similar to what Dallas runs right? Who used the run to set up the pass? Am i missing something?

He didnt run one in 2012, he changed his offense to cater to Griffen. Mostly misdirections and a simple read passing game. It really cost Griffen because he never learned to read a defense and his next two years he was probably the worst QB in the NFL at diagnosising plays. Add to that he never had much interest in improving in that aspect as he wouldnt let coaches show his bad plays during film study

 

[darthseinfeld]

Still think the guy they are really looking at is Drew Stanton.

Im in just as long as he brings this with him

 

[darthseinfeld]

Good read on Griffin

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-assess-the-rest-of-the-Commanders-offense/

 

[LatinMind]

He didnt run one in 2012, he changed his offense to cater to Griffen. Mostly misdirections and a simple read passing game. It really cost Griffen because he never learned to read a defense and his next two years he was probably the worst QB in the NFL at diagnosising plays. Add to that he never had much interest in improving in that aspect as he wouldnt let coaches show his bad plays during film study

Am i missing something then Dallas running something different then simple read patterns? throw to the flat, slant to TW cross pattern to beasley and deep to dez? am i missing something?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Am i missing something then Dallas running something different then simple read patterns? throw to the flat, slant to TW cross pattern to beasley and deep to dez? am i missing something?

Not as simple as what they asked him to do in Washington. Griffin will never be more then a one read and bail type QB

 

[robjay04]

RGIII will have other more lucrative choices to make than being a backup to Romo for the next 2-3 years.

There may be several teams available to him where he would step right in immediately and be a starter.

Teams like the LA Rams, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Houston quickly come to mind in that mold.

Exactly, I've been saying this from the start...RGIII will not sign with is when he can make double somewhere else and have a chance to start right away.

Truthfully, QB options are going to be far in between like always this offseason. The few that are available will either resign with their teams or sign somewhere with a chance to compete to start...not sign a discount with Dallas to sit behind Romo. This may work in the favor of the people wanting a QB at pick 4 though.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Hopefully the back up keeps the clipboard warm.

 

[CCBoy]

Exactly, I've been saying this from the start...RGIII will not sign with is when he can make double somewhere else and have a chance to start right away.

Truthfully, QB options are going to be far in between like always this offseason. The few that are available will either resign with their teams or sign somewhere with a chance to compete to start...not sign a discount with Dallas to sit behind Romo. This may work in the favor of the people wanting a QB at pick 4 though.

RGIII's market is probably already set at from $5,000,000 to $6,000,000+.

 

[robjay04]

RGIII's market is probably already set at from $5,000,000 to $6,000,000+.

Correct---which is why he has zero chance to sign with us because we are not going to invest that much salary nor should we.