Joey Bosa & Ezekiel Elliott: Drug Concerns

[Questfor6]

Anybody who watched interviews with Bosa knows he is burnt out.

Reminds me of Lattimer from the movie The Program

 

[Shinaoi]

Holy crap, is there a top player in this draft that doesn't come across as a red flag? Wentz or bust at this point.

 

[Shinaoi]

We have to put this in perspective.

These guys are kids about to enter the adult stage of their life.

Expecting them to be Jesus is unrealistic.

I don't care that they party. I just care about spending a 4th overall pick on a dude that gets suspended. To not hit on his pick would be a train wreck. Leave no stone unturned or consideration unthought.

 

[Hailmary]

No problem with these guys going out to party. you can party without ecstacy though, especially during the season.

I live in the middle of buckeye country, and my one concern about taking a bosa/elliott is the lifestyle these kids live on campus. They are treated like celebrities, and think they are untouchable. Lots of stories come out both in the media and just word of mouth around town that back that up. I would assume that's similar to most of the bigger schools anymore though.

I think these college star athletes that get treated like celebrities/untouchables goes on everywhere, but I do have an extra bit of concern because it's an Urban Meyer led team. Heard the exact same things during Meyer's time in Florida and by the time he bailed on them, he had left the program in utter disarray. The SI article I read stated there had been over 30 arrests during Meyer's tenure at Florida......

And now we're starting to hear whispers about similar behaviors from his current team. I definitely consider this story to be a red flag (a minor one, but a red flag nonetheless).

 

[Gaede]

How do you feel about Randy Gregory?

Gregory is different. He had failed drug tests. Chronis behaviour. There has been no official indication of that type of behaviour from Zeke, just heresay and rumours.

I don't like Bosa, and he does have an official strike against him

 

[tyke1doe]

Honestly who didn't party when they were 20ish?

I didn't.

Actually, partying isn't the issue. Partying and taking DRUGS is.

I love Elliott's talent and hope we take him. But - all kidding aside - this story does concern me. Prima donna attitude plus party-hardy obsession plus alleged drug use? I don't know now.

Oh, and I don't know how to take Bosa throwing Elliott under the bus.

. Apparently, their shared place was a party destination, and Bosa told teams that he had to move out and get his own place to get away from all the parties that Elliott had going on.

 

[tyke1doe]

These kids don't rave often without taking ecstacy...

Skip a drug test on top of it and that's all I need to see

Just say "No" to Bosworth, I mean, Bosa.

 

[tyke1doe]

This sounds like a whole bunch of speculation and dot connecting to me. If you got to enough length you can pick a part pretty much any college kid's behavior. From all accounts both showed up and did their jobs on the practice field and on game days plus kept their grades in check enough to remain eligible. When you're off the field habits affect the on field product that is when fans should care, until then I don't give a damn.

But I'd would counter by saying colleges have an incentive to hidden bad conduct among star players. You won't get the same treatment in the NFL.

Secondly, it bothers me that "multiple players" have told teams this about Ezekiel. It would be different if it were one person saying this or one source. But when you have Bosa and other team members sharing this information and multiple teams saying others have told them this, it's cause for pause.

Having said this, however, unlike Bosa - who was suspended - Zeke hasn't been suspended so I'm more lenient with him than with Bosa, who sounds like a pothead.

 

[tyke1doe]

Holy smokes, is there a top player in this draft that doesn't come across as a red flag? Wentz or bust at this point.

 

[LandryFan]

We have to put this in perspective.

These guys are kids about to enter the adult stage of their life.

Expecting them to be Jesus is unrealistic.

When players are picked high in the first round (Elliott may go more toward the mid first round), the expectation is that they are franchise cornerstone players. If you're an NFL team about to pay a kid $5M/year to play football, you're not only counting on them to play at an elite level, but you're expecting them to be a face (if not THE face) of your franchise and to be available for 16 games. The only reason they shouldn't play every game is if they are injured (or in the case of QB's, being developed for the future). Nope, if they're willing to fart around with party drugs while knowing the consequences of getting caught, then I'm not going to pin my franchise's future on them and I'm not going to use a good chunk of my limited salary cap on them, either. Now get them outside of round one and I'll recalculate the risk/reward. The argument that party drug use is excusable if you're a college kid holds a little more water if you're an average college kid going into an average job market ($40-60K/yr), but when you're being paid roughly $5M/year, then the expectations on many fronts are quite different. That's just my humble, amateur opinion of the situation.

 

[tm1119]

But I'd would counter by saying colleges have an incentive to hidden bad conduct among star players. You won't get the same treatment in the NFL.

Secondly, it bothers me that "multiple players" have told teams this about Ezekiel. It would be different if it were one person saying this or one source. But when you have Bosa and other team members sharing this information and multiple teams saying others have told them this, it's cause for pause.

Having said this, however, unlike Bosa - who was suspended - Zeke hasn't been suspended so I'm more lenient with him than with Bosa, who sounds like a pothead.

What I'd like to know is what the hell kind teammates are going to the combine and saying this type of stuff to teams. Whatever happened to having your teammates back? I'd take those guys off of my board before before I did Bosa or Zeke.

 

[LandryFan]

What I'd like to know is what the hell kind teammates are going to the combine and saying this type of stuff to teams. Whatever happened to having your teammates back? I'd take those guys off of my board before before I did Bosa or Zeke.

You have to consider that in a lot of these cases, this isn't the case of a kid offering unsolicited information. These are cases of teams asking questions about teammates in such a way that the kid has to answer, with the kid knowing full well that the team may already know the truth and just wants to see his response. And as far as having teammates' backs, that's a two way street. It is my responsibility as a player to behave in such a way that I won't put my teammates in a bind by having them lie to protect me .

 

[kazzd58]

While teams suspect Bosa and Elliott of using those drugs, they don't have view them as risks like Randy Gregory last year.

I'm sorry but do people realize how opposite the effects of molly/ecstacy and weed are? I'd be much more cautious about a raver who gets down with X all the time than a pot head who sits around and plays video games. I don't care what anyone says. This weed thing is getting out of hand. Gregory is more of a risk because he failed tests for weed while Elliot is living college like Don Juan meets Macauly Culkin?

funny right not the risk hell if u fail a drug test u fail a drug test

 

[sureletsrace]

When players are picked high in the first round (Elliott may go more toward the mid first round), the expectation is that they are franchise cornerstone players. If you're an NFL team about to pay a kid $5M/year to play football, you're not only counting on them to play at an elite level, but you're expecting them to be a face (if not THE face) of your franchise and to be available for 16 games. The only reason they shouldn't play every game is if they are injured (or in the case of QB's, being developed for the future). Nope, if they're willing to fart around with party drugs while knowing the consequences of getting caught, then I'm not going to pin my franchise's future on them and I'm not going to use a good chunk of my limited salary cap on them, either. Now get them outside of round one and I'll recalculate the risk/reward. The argument that party drug use is excusable if you're a college kid holds a little more water if you're an average college kid going into an average job market ($40-60K/yr), but when you're being paid roughly $5M/year, then the expectations on many fronts are quite different. That's just my humble, amateur opinion of the situation.

 

[LandryFan]

I didn't intend the pun, but after you pointed it out, I sure see the humor in it.

 

[AKATheRake]

Give me Buckner and put him at LDE, Lawrence at RDE sprinkled in with Gregory after the suspension is over.

They're saying Calais Campbell but he's more proportioned like the best defensive player in the league JJ Watt.

Proportioned like the best pass rusher off all time and 1 of the greatest defensive players of all time, Reggie White.

As a side note, Reggie White went at the 4th overall pick in the supplemental draft.


1st & 2nd downs: Buckner - Crawford - Thornton - Lawrence

3rd downs: Lawrence - Crawford - Buckner - Gregory


You kidding me?

 

[Sydla]

Holy crap, is there a top player in this draft that doesn't come across as a red flag? Wentz or bust at this point.

Seems the only Top 10 potential guys who haven't had a red flag thrown their way are Tunsil and Stanley but even then, didn't Nkemdiche say that Tunsil was with him in his room when he got high/drunk? LOL.

 

[Shinaoi]

Seems the only Top 10 potential guys who haven't had a red flag thrown their way are Tunsil and Stanley but even then, didn't Nkemdiche say that Tunsil was with him in his room when he got high/drunk? LOL.

At this point my pick needs to be a Buddhist monk.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

That's it. The Cowboys should just draft Lynch (providing Ramsey is gone) and be done with it.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Reminds me of Lattimer from the movie The Program

Question, this thread made me think about something else that I heard on the radio. The year that Bosa and Spence played together all the talk was about Noah Spence. Now we all know what happened with him and the drugs, now we hear about Bosa. So if Spence was perceived to better back then and he had a rebounding year this year, why not draft him?