John Ross WR

[xwalker]

This kat would look great in a Cowboys uniform, that speed is something serious. I heard he runs a LEGIT 4.29!

I can run a 4.29 also (In the 5 yard dash).

 

[xwalker]

lmao, you tell me, how does 5 rec and 28 yards look to you? " OHHH but the O-line sucks!!" . Please.

I guess you don't understand how football works, but it's cool that's not stopping you from sharing your thoughts on the board.

I don't put much stock in college stats because they are often very misleading. I sometimes use the stats to determine which games I want to review. If a player has really great or really terrible game in terms of stats, then I'm going to try to watch that game to see what happened; however, the stats themselves don't mean much. There are just too many variables that affect college stats. Level of competition, level of surrounding talent, scheme, etc.. It's especially true for WR where he is dependent on his QB and surround offense. If his QB can't get him the ball or he is aggressively double-covered on every snap then his stats will suffer. On the flip side, he'll probably have some game where the defense is not very good and his stats will be inflated.

The above is especially true on per game stats. Obviously if a player has extreme career stats either positive or negative, then that's something you can't completely ignore, but again you still have to primarily rely on the game footage to evaluate the player.

 

[xwalker]

Generally speaking. I see two smallish receivers that rely on speed and quickness. I wonder if their game is more suited for the college game. I realize Ross is a bit bigger, but still on the smallish side. Will his game translate better than Austin's who in my opinion has been having a so so career so far.

I am thinking a lot of DEs and DBs will be ahead of him on our draft board.

I would be surprised if the Cowboys draft a sub-5'11 WR in the first round. They really like their outside WRs to have size.

Tavon Austin is a good reference in terms of smallish receivers tending to be dominant in college but not in the NFL. TWill has way more yards and TDs in 4 years than Austin has in the same time-frame. Obviously Ross is a couple of inches taller than Austin.

On the flip-side of the argument, Antonio Brown and DeSean Jackson both measured in right around 5-10

 

[LatinMind]

I think he is a speed demon that would make our offense a absolute nightmare.

People need to not put their hopes on WR. Think this team is set on bringing back their own guys

 

[Sydla]

People need to not put their hopes on WR. Think this team is set on bringing back their own guys

I hope not because I suspect Williams is going to get paid a bit. Think Sanu type money plus a little more.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

True but he got smothered pretty good though by the Bama secondary. They did a great job on him even when Washington was trying to figure out ways to get the ball in his hands early. They took Ross out of the game.

The efficacy and production of offensive skill positions is directly related to the play of the offensive line.

I watched the entire game; the Huskies were mandhandled and Browning was harassed all game. There was a clear disparity in talent.

 

[tm1119]

Ross is no more than a 50-60 catch in this offense. Not worth a 1st round pick. He can definitely be a weapon and may very well succeed for someone else, but I don't think a 1st round wr makes sense for us. 3rd round seems like it could be where the value lies for WR. If we could get Chris Godwin or Zay Jones in the 3rd I'd be ecstatic.

 

[Sydla]

The efficacy and production of offensive skill positions is directly related to the play of the offensive line.

I watched the entire game; the Huskies were mandhandled and Browning was harassed all game. There was a clear disparity in talent.

The OL got beat up pretty good against USC and Ross went off against them.

I watched the game too and even when Washington tried some quick hitters and short stuff to get the ball out of Browning's hands, Bama stifled Ross.

I get that you like the kid but to say he wasn't shut down by Bama is simply erroneous IMO. In fairness to him, few skill players go off on Bama other than say Mike Williams.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The OL got beat up pretty good against USC and Ross went off against them.

I watched the game too and even when Washington tried some quick hitters and short stuff to get the ball out of Browning's hands, Bama stifled Ross.

I get that you like the kid but to say he wasn't shut down by Bama is simply erroneous IMO. In fairness to him, few skill players go off on Bama other than say Mike Williams.

I'm not getting your dig?

I'm not claiming Ross wasn't clamped up by Bama, I'm claiming the whole Huskie offensive unit was. To think a WR is going somehow be productive when the offensive line is being dominated and QB harassed all game is misguided. A productive WR is the byproduct of the play of his QB (and by extension the play of the offensive line), not the other way around.

You bring up his game against USC. He beat Adoree Jackson on a move off the line for a 70-yard TD. However, if you remove that catch he averaged just a little more than 10 yards a reception. That's understanding the numbers in context.

 

[reddyuta]

I would be surprised if the Cowboys draft a sub-5'11 WR in the first round. They really like their outside WRs to have size.

Tavon Austin is a good reference in terms of smallish receivers tending to be dominant in college but not in the NFL. TWill has way more yards and TDs in 4 years than Austin has in the same time-frame. Obviously Ross is a couple of inches taller than Austin.

On the flip-side of the argument, Antonio Brown and DeSean Jackson both measured in right around 5-10

I like Ross,i think this team will benefit from very good Run after the catch WRs but i dont think he is on the level of Odell Beckham who can play well both inside and outside and just dominate everybody.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not getting your dig?

I'm not claiming Ross wasn't clamped up by Bama, I'm claiming the whole Huskie offensive unit was. To think a WR is going somehow be productive when the offensive line is being dominated and QB harassed all game is misguided. A productive WR is the byproduct of the play of his QB (and by extension the play of the offensive line), not the other way around.

You bring up his game against USC. He beat Adoree Jackson on a move off the line for a 70-yard TD. However, if you remove that catch he averaged just a little more than 10 yards a reception. That's understanding the numbers in context.

I never quite understand the logic where you have to remove certain plays as if they didn't happen to make an argument. Did he break loose and use his exception skill to score a 70 yard TD or not?

And why didn't he do it against Bama? Likely because Bama's secondary pretty much shut him down. That's my only point. Bama did a great job taking him away and using their front seven to destroy the UW OL. Washington couldn't even get Ross loose on some quick hitters, which have really nothing to do with how the UW OL held up.

 

[xwalker]

I never quite understand the logic where you have to remove certain plays as if they didn't happen to make an argument. Did he break loose and use his exception skill to score a 70 yard TD or not?

And why didn't he do it against Bama? Likely because Bama's secondary pretty much shut him down. That's my only point. Bama did a great job taking him away and using their front seven to destroy the UW OL. Washington couldn't even get Ross loose on some quick hitters, which have really nothing to do with how the UW OL held up.

The point is that you can't know that from stats. You have to study the game footage.

It's the same in reverse. You don't know from commonly available QB stats if a QB was was hitting big plays to WRs or if all passes were short and a great WR had massive yards after the catch.

It tends to even out over time such that good players probably have good season and/or career stats, but per games stats, especially for college players are very near meaningless without reviewing the game footage.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I never quite understand the logic where you have to remove certain plays as if they didn't happen to make an argument. Did he break loose and use his exception skill to score a 70 yard TD or not?

And why didn't he do it against Bama? Likely because Bama's secondary pretty much shut him down. That's my only point. Bama did a great job taking him away and using their front seven to destroy the UW OL. Washington couldn't even get Ross loose on some quick hitters, which have really nothing to do with how the UW OL held up.

You obviously didn't see the play then.

Jackson stumbled badly trying to mirror Ross and was subsequently dusted. The rest of his receptions consisted of short routes to counter the pressure, which made up the rest of his 7 rec. for ~75 yards.

I don't understand the logic of looking at entirely different group of personnel (UW and USC) and saying "oh, why didn't he just do that again?" As if these players are all just generic autonotoms that all have the same predictable reactions and abilities.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I can run a 4.29 also (In the 5 yard dash).

LOL!!!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I don't put much stock in college stats because they are often very misleading. I sometimes use the stats to determine which games I want to review. If a player has really great or really terrible game in terms of stats, then I'm going to try to watch that game to see what happened; however, the stats themselves don't mean much. There are just too many variables that affect college stats. Level of competition, level of surrounding talent, scheme, etc.. It's especially true for WR where he is dependent on his QB and surround offense. If his QB can't get him the ball or he is aggressively double-covered on every snap then his stats will suffer. On the flip side, he'll probably have some game where the defense is not very good and his stats will be inflated.

The above is especially true on per game stats. Obviously if a player has extreme career stats either positive or negative, then that's something you can't completely ignore, but again you still have to primarily rely on the game footage to evaluate the player.

I would be surprised if the Cowboys draft a sub-5'11 WR in the first round. They really like their outside WRs to have size.

Tavon Austin is a good reference in terms of smallish receivers tending to be dominant in college but not in the NFL. TWill has way more yards and TDs in 4 years than Austin has in the same time-frame. Obviously Ross is a couple of inches taller than Austin.

On the flip-side of the argument, Antonio Brown and DeSean Jackson both measured in right around 5-10

You just give a lecture on how stats need to be nuanced...then turn around and ignore nuance when comparing Williams and Austin and their different situations for the entirety of their careers. Romo & Dak vs the slop in LA.

Funny.

 

[fishspill]

In today's NFL I don't see how a guy like this makes it to 28. He'd be perfect though.

 

[stilltheguru88]

In today's NFL I don't see how a guy like this makes it to 28. He'd be perfect though.

He should last to 28 if teams were smart. I keep seeing him mocked to Tampa. If Tampa were a good run organization why would they draft a wr? Their oline is terrible. This is where the BPA stuff is dumb to me if not exercised with flexibility. If you have Ross ranked slightly higher than say Cam Robinson why would they not take Cam and protect their asset? I only want Ross because with our run game he'd make our playaction deadly. If our team was constructed like Tampa I'd be hesitant on drafting him at 19 if an olineman had a similar but lesser grade.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Regardless of whether we consider him or not, I think the late 20s and early part of the 1st round is a good spot for Ross.

 

[TNCowboy]

His speed makes him interesting, but those knee problems will scare away a lot of teams. Still, can you imagine that speed with all the weapons we have that pull the safeties up?

I suspect the Cowboys will be looking much closer at his teammate, Sidney Jones, than they will Ross.

I still think our #1 pick will be a DB like Lattimore, or a TE like Njoku.

 

[stilltheguru88]

His speed makes him interesting, but those knee problems will scare away a lot of teams. Still, can you imagine that speed with all the weapons we have that pull the safeties up?

I suspect the Cowboys will be looking much closer at his teammate, Sidney Jones, than they will Ross.

I still think our #1 pick will be a DB like Lattimore, or a TE like Njoku.

If we take Lattimore of Adoree Jackson I'm switching teams........jk..........kind of