Jones or Snyder? NFC East's best battle is for title of Worst NFL Owner

[Alexander]

Let's get ready to stumble
Jones or Snyder? NFC East's best battle is for title of Worst NFL Owner

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10169465/flem-file-jerry-jones-daniel-snyder-nfl-worst-owner

 

[Dodger12]

Let's get ready to stumble
Jones or Snyder? NFC East's best battle is for title of Worst NFL Owner

"JONES -- Forbes says the Cowboys are the most valuable NFL franchise at $2.1 billion. It's official: The perpetually .500 Cowboys have become the Kardashians of the NFL -- the Cowdashians, if you will -- all hype and style and flash with no substance or talent or accomplishments."

Ouch, that's got to leave a mark......

 

[DallasEast]

David Fleming says, "By my count, Snyder is way behind on the scorecard -- for now." The margin of governing futility between both men is not large at all. I don't think it should be a question of whether Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder are the worst owners in the NFC East. Rather, both men should (strongly) self-reflect on the reasons why they are now considered less effective owners than Jeffrey Lurie or John Mara.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The owner has two distinct jobs as head of a sports franchise.

1. Keep the business end profitable.

2. Hire the right personnel to lead the franchise toward winning.

Now the first is clearly the most important. Without the profitability aspect, the owner cannot open a checkbook and purchase the talent - both coaching and players - to be competitive.

But the owner has a secondary job in assembling the right staff to win.

Now you have to ascertain if the owner wants to actually win, or be competitive enough to maximize profits Those have two distinct meanings. An owner could very well want to create an atmosphere where his franchise is constantly in the press, people talk about his franchise - good or bad - he fills seats which create massive revenue, and he can enjoy the profits by simply being relatively competitive without the goal of winning it all.

Now as far as Jerry is concerned, he tosses money around like he is one of the best owners. He will pay for coaches and players.

However, Jerry has shown over almost two decades he will pay for past performance and not future returns. He is a composite of the two styles of ownership in that he will keep the circus atmosphere alive and promote his team, even when his "antics" make him a laughingstock of the fans of the league. But he will toss money at the team as if he truly wants to win.

The singular difference between he and Snyder in my opinion is Jerry has a belief, and he articulated this within the last few days, that if a GM were to bring a list of players to Jerry for him to sign checks, Jerry would have to do the due diligence on each player before he signed those checks.

In Jerry's mind why not cut out the GM since he would have to investigate the decisions anyway.

Parcels was quoted that Jerry listens, but to the wrong people.

So if Jerry thinks as the President he has to review each decision for its validity before he signs off, then he sees his ownership as a final level of authentication that what is presented is fact.

So he elects to remove the GM position from the hierarchy and place himself there since he thinks what he is going is ultimately the GM's job.

This belief makes him the worst owner because he does not trust the professional opinion of anyone unless he vets the suggestion himself and convinces himself of its truth.

But in that kernel is where he goes wrong. Because regardless of the number of years he has been here, his eye has not been trained for true talent, and his heart has not been steeled in making the tough decisions on the players he does have and when their tanks are empty.

He does not have the skills to determine talent to the degree needed, or the toughness to turn his back on his favorite players when their skills have eroded, or were lacking to begin with.

Jerry is by far the worst owner.

And this comes from his days as a wild-catter in oil.

He once told the story that all the geologists pointed to a place to drill and swore this was a winner.

He told them he would put up their yearly salaries himself and if it was they could share in the success without him.

But if it failed they would work for free for the next year.

They demurred, and in his telling this story he was patting himself on the back for his Solomon-like decision.

What he did not tell in reliving this on the radio is if he actually sunk a bit there and if so did it pay off.

So Jerry works this team like he works the oil field. And this, more than any of the successes or mistakes he has made in the GM job, and the convoluted culture he creates by being the GM - which is the hard butt of management - and the owner, who is the head cheerleader, and how that causes the players to walk around any head coach and cry to Mommy when they feel unloved, this is the main reason why he fails.

 

[ajk23az]

Jerry is a good owner but a crappy GM. There is a difference.

 

[TheCowboy]

Jerry the Owner- Best in the NFL

Jerry the GM- Now we have a problem.

 

[Ashwynn]

This is the only thing that will get jones attention other than no seats in the stands, I am so happy someone wrote that on paper (so to speak). Maybe we can shame Jones into straightening up the Cowboys.

Lets put billboards up all over the US proclaiming Jones is the worst owner in the NFL.... Thats the ticket!!

 

[Next Years Champ]

The owner has two distinct jobs as head of a sports franchise.

1. Keep the business end profitable.

2. Hire the right personnel to lead the franchise toward winning.

Now the first is clearly the most important. Without the profitability aspect, the owner cannot open a checkbook and purchase the talent - both coaching and players - to be competitive.

But the owner has a secondary job in assembling the right staff to win.

Now you have to ascertain if the owner wants to actually win, order a be competitive enough to maximize profits Those have two distinct meanings. An owner could very well want to create an atmosphere where his franchise is constantly in the press, people talk about his franchise - good or bad - he fills seats which create massive revenue, and he can enjoy the profits by simply being relatively competitive without the goal of winning it all.

Now as far as Jerry is concerned, he tosses money around like he is one of the best owners. He will pay for coaches and players.

However, Jerry has shown over almost two decades he will pay for past performance and not future returns. He is a composite of the two styles of ownership in that he will keep the circus atmosphere alive and promote his team, even when his "antics" make him a laughingstock of the fans of the league. But he will toss money at the team as if he truly wants to win.

The singular difference between he and Snyder in my opinion is Jerry has a belief, and he articulated this within the last few days, that if a GM were to bring a list of players to Jerry for him to sign checks, Jerry would have to do the due diligence on each player before he signed those checks.

In Jerry's mind why not cut out the GM since he would have to investigate the decisions anyway.

Parcels was quoted that Jerry listens, but to the wrong people.

So if Jerry thinks as the President he has to review each decision for its validity before he signs off, then he sees his ownership as a final level of authentication that what is presented is fact.

So he elects to remove the GM position from the hierarchy and place himself there since he thinks what he is going is ultimately the GM's job.

This belief makes him the worst owner because he does not trust the professional opinion of anyone unless he vets the suggestion himself and convinces himself of its truth.

But in that kernel is where he goes wrong. Because regardless of the number of years he has been here, his eye has not been trained for true talent, and his heart has not been steeled in making the tough decisions on the players he does have and when their tanks are empty.

He does not have the skills to determine talent to the degree needed, or the toughness to turn his back on his favorite players when their skills have eroded, or were lacking to begin with.

Jerry is by far the worst owner.

And this comes from his days as a wild-catter in oil.

He once told the story that all the geologists pointed to a place to drill and swore this was a winner.

He told them he would put up their yearly salaries himself and if it was they could share in the success without him.

But if it failed they would work for free for the next year.

They demurred, and in his telling this story he was patting himself on the back for his Solomon-like decision.

What he did not tell in reliving this on the radio is if he actually sunk a bit there and if so did it pay off.

So Jerry works this team like he works the oil field. And this, more than any of the successes or mistakes he has made in the GM job, and the convoluted culture he creates by being the GM - which is the hard butt of management - and the owner, who is the head cheerleader, and how that causes the players to walk around any head coach and cry to Mommy when they feel unloved, this is the main reason why he fails.

Oh my..

You are going to have to send me the Cliff Notes on this post or at least yellow highlife the important posts of it.

So entirely long it loses its message.

I'm looking for the subscription dialog box to enroll with this thread.

Yikes.

Sorry..not trying to offend but be considerate of those of us with 7inch tablets and tiny keyboards.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I'd take Snyder over Jerry.

But it's like trying to decide to drink mercury or rat poison.

 

[wileedog]

Jerry the Owner- Best in the NFL
.

The Best Owner in the NFL wouldn't have alienated Jimmy out of town, and would have fired his GM several times over by now.

 

[TheCowboy]

The Best Owner in the NFL wouldn't have alienated Jimmy out of town, and would have fired his GM several times over by now.

True. Best Marketer in the NFL

 

[TwoDeep3]

Oh my..

You are going to have to send me the Cliff Notes on this post or at least yellow highlife the important posts of it.

So entirely long it loses its message.

I'm looking for the subscription dialog box to enroll with this thread.

Yikes.

Sorry..not trying to offend but be considerate of those of us with 7inch tablets and tiny keyboards.

Sorry, with me you get prose.

 

[Sasquatch]

The Kardashian comparison is sadly apt.

 

[Deep_South]

With Jerry you get Stephen, who said today that Jerry will lead the Cowboys to a championship "sooner than later", whatever that means.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ys-jerry-will-lead-cowboys-to-a-championship/

 

[Hoofbite]

The owner has two distinct jobs as head of a sports franchise.

1. Keep the business end profitable.

2. Hire the right personnel to lead the franchise toward winning.

Now the first is clearly the most important. Without the profitability aspect, the owner cannot open a checkbook and purchase the talent - both coaching and players - to be competitive

I disagree. With revenue sharing, it's not like any team is in danger of being bankrupt to the point of falling out of the league.

Secondly, if you do #2 then #1 takes care of itself. That's absolute fact. You win, you get more games (playoffs), you sell more merchandise and you have companies begging to have your face on their product.

Satisfying #2 makes #1 a non-issue. Furthermore, improving #2 is really the only thing that can improve #1.

There is nothing about satisfying #1 that automatically satisfies #2. Jerry and Snyder prove this much. 2 of the 3 top revenue teams in the NFL and they're both losers.


OT but possibly relevant to the discussion of making money but here's a little something about all the restructuring that Dallas has been doing. Aside from open cap space, guess what else it does..........puts more money into Jerry's pocket.

Salary Cap = Base Salaries + Bonuses

By increasing the bonus money every year through restructuring of base salary dollars that would have been paid anyway, Jerry artificially inflates the bonus amount in future years with what amounts to being "fake dollars" that have been paid out in years prior. The higher the bonus money goes, the less money the team has for base salaries, team payroll is lower, and more money goes to the coffers at the end of the season.

All the while, Dallas is always in the news for salary cap problems and because the average fan doesn't even really understand the cap they just assume that Dallas is spending more than anyone else. They aren't. There are 9 teams with more cash spending than Dallas right now and I think Dallas' number includes Romo's $25M bonus and Lee's $10M bonus.

http://www.overthecap.com/nfl-cash-space.php?Year=2013

In 2014, Dallas is currently slotted to be 8th but the problem is they are well over the cap and need to fix that. If they cut DeMarcus ware, their cash spending will drop by his base salary of $12.25M and Dallas will have the 18th highest payroll in the NFL. This doesn't include any spending from teams 19th or lower. One modest free agent will likely put their payroll ahead of Dallas. If they cut Miles Austin, that drops them further and if Dallas were to cut Kyle Orton's $3.25M base salary they would have the 9th lowest payroll in the NFL.....AND STILL OVER THE CAP. Designate Ware and Austin June 1st cuts and Dallas is still over.

Now, they'll get some cash spending in my signing Dez, Tyron and maybe some others currently on the roster to new contracts and bonus money will be paid even with a small base salary in year 1. That's probably not going to do a whole lot overall though because other teams have players to re-sign as well.

Is it really any surprise that the Jones' family downplays the impact of restructuring? Each time they do it, they reduce the amount they have available to spend on base salaries which puts more money in their pockets during future years.

 

[Hoofbite]

With Jerry you get Stephen, who said today that Jerry will lead the Cowboys to a championship "sooner than later", whatever that means.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ys-jerry-will-lead-cowboys-to-a-championship/

As I said in another thread, the more you hear him speak the more you realize that the apple doesn't fall from the tree and that Stephen is every bit the snake oil salesman that his father is.

This is classic Jerry thinking, “We’re gonna win a championship sooner than later with Jerry at the helm,”

Gotta make sure we all know who's gonna get the credit when it happens, right Steve?

 

[CaptainMorgan]

I love it. It's about time the media stops pulling punches with jerry. This was painful to read as a fan but it's accurate to a T

 

[CaptainMorgan]

With Jerry you get Stephen, who said today that Jerry will lead the Cowboys to a championship "sooner than later", whatever that means.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ys-jerry-will-lead-cowboys-to-a-championship/

Stephen Is as clueless as Jerry

 

[TwoDeep3]

I do not believe either are clueless.

I do believe they may have a vastly different goal than the fan.

 

[birdwells1]

The owner has two distinct jobs as head of a sports franchise.

1. Keep the business end profitable.

2. Hire the right personnel to lead the franchise toward winning.

Now the first is clearly the most important. Without the profitability aspect, the owner cannot open a checkbook and purchase the talent - both coaching and players - to be competitive.

But the owner has a secondary job in assembling the right staff to win.

Now you have to ascertain if the owner wants to actually win, or be competitive enough to maximize profits Those have two distinct meanings. An owner could very well want to create an atmosphere where his franchise is constantly in the press, people talk about his franchise - good or bad - he fills seats which create massive revenue, and he can enjoy the profits by simply being relatively competitive without the goal of winning it all.

Now as far as Jerry is concerned, he tosses money around like he is one of the best owners. He will pay for coaches and players.

However, Jerry has shown over almost two decades he will pay for past performance and not future returns. He is a composite of the two styles of ownership in that he will keep the circus atmosphere alive and promote his team, even when his "antics" make him a laughingstock of the fans of the league. But he will toss money at the team as if he truly wants to win.

The singular difference between he and Snyder in my opinion is Jerry has a belief, and he articulated this within the last few days, that if a GM were to bring a list of players to Jerry for him to sign checks, Jerry would have to do the due diligence on each player before he signed those checks.

In Jerry's mind why not cut out the GM since he would have to investigate the decisions anyway.

Parcels was quoted that Jerry listens, but to the wrong people.

So if Jerry thinks as the President he has to review each decision for its validity before he signs off, then he sees his ownership as a final level of authentication that what is presented is fact.

So he elects to remove the GM position from the hierarchy and place himself there since he thinks what he is going is ultimately the GM's job.

This belief makes him the worst owner because he does not trust the professional opinion of anyone unless he vets the suggestion himself and convinces himself of its truth.

But in that kernel is where he goes wrong. Because regardless of the number of years he has been here, his eye has not been trained for true talent, and his heart has not been steeled in making the tough decisions on the players he does have and when their tanks are empty.

He does not have the skills to determine talent to the degree needed, or the toughness to turn his back on his favorite players when their skills have eroded, or were lacking to begin with.

Jerry is by far the worst owner.

And this comes from his days as a wild-catter in oil.

He once told the story that all the geologists pointed to a place to drill and swore this was a winner.

He told them he would put up their yearly salaries himself and if it was they could share in the success without him.

But if it failed they would work for free for the next year.

They demurred, and in his telling this story he was patting himself on the back for his Solomon-like decision.

What he did not tell in reliving this on the radio is if he actually sunk a bit there and if so did it pay off.

So Jerry works this team like he works the oil field. And this, more than any of the successes or mistakes he has made in the GM job, and the convoluted culture he creates by being the GM - which is the hard butt of management - and the owner, who is the head cheerleader, and how that causes the players to walk around any head coach and cry to Mommy when they feel unloved, this is the main reason why he fails.

This, quite frankly, may be the best post I've ever read on this site. ty