Josh Brent should be nervous

[TheRomoSexual]

There has been next to no press about Brent . This is a non-issue.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I'm telling you how the law works. I have quite a few family members in law enforcement and know DUI attorneys and have 2 friends that are law professors.

Whether you like it or not, when a person gets into a car with a person that they know is drunk (Brown was with Brent the entire night and knew he was drinking) and that person gets killed, the law places some responsibility on the victim.

By the law...it unlike the Rice situation.






YR

I no know one in law enforcement except for the PO who bugs me but I half never heard of that concept in the law: division of fault in criminal cases.
I half heard of that concept in civil suits but not in the criminal side.

So, using that logic and reasoning, i feel comfortable in being mein own attorney if the situation should arise and pointing to the defendant and heaping blame. I kinda like that concept. Your high honor of the court, je 'cuse the defendant for provoking me in subtle and nuanced ways and therefore I am only partly to blame. Also I blame society and move that all charges be dropped and the D.A don't give me no dirty looks!

Really, with the concept, the possibilities are endless.
The bank that tempts the robber. The guilty ATM withdrawer who flaunts her money so an onlooker feels compelled to take the money and run. The speeder who blame the automaker for making a fast car (good title for a song) or the scammer . . . well the possibilities are endless.
Hey, stay alive at 55.

 

[DBOY3141]

Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald should be more worried than Josh Brent.

 

[AsthmaField]

Unless some new info pops up on the Brent case (which I definitely don't expect it to), then I don't see anything at all changing, period.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

It should be a year suspension and he should go to another team. But that's just me.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

So . . . so . . . um, so the victim shares some of the blame, huh?
Yeah, Steven A. might half been correct: Rice girlfriend might also be culpable . . . ouch! i rolled mein eyes so far back it hurt . . .

The new evidence looked like she was coming at him to cause harm.

Goodell is a problem.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Is there a video?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

thanks for the kind responses. I half learned a lot.
Particular thanks to YR who imputed a lot.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Both players should be in jail, but this nonsense of blaming Goodell who isn't law enforcement and doesn't have access to prosecutors evidence since it was under court order seal to present to the grand jury.....the mediot's who seem to be all on their high horse about what evidence Goodell should of had or seen, if it was so easy to obtain as the media thinks, why didn't the media get a hold of this video seven month's ago...if anything, the prosecutors are the ones that should be held accountable for their failure to fully prosecute both of these incidents, especially when there's video of Ray Rice knocking out his then Fiancee....

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I no know one in law enforcement except for the PO who bugs me but I half never heard of that concept in the law: division of fault in criminal cases.
I half heard of that concept in civil suits but not in the criminal side.

So, using that logic and reasoning, i feel comfortable in being mein own attorney if the situation should arise and pointing to the defendant and heaping blame. I kinda like that concept. Your high honor of the court, je 'cuse the defendant for provoking me in subtle and nuanced ways and therefore I am only partly to blame. Also I blame society and move that all charges be dropped and the D.A don't give me no dirty looks!

Really, with the concept, the possibilities are endless.
The bank that tempts the robber. The guilty ATM withdrawer who flaunts her money so an onlooker feels compelled to take the money and run. The speeder who blame the automaker for making a fast car (good title for a song) or the scammer . . . well the possibilities are endless.
Hey, stay alive at 55.

Your analogies are not even close to be apples to apples. More like apples to sledgehammers.

A similar case happened to Danny Heatley when he was driving at insane speeds with his friend Dan Snyder (no, not that one) and crashed Heatley's Ferrari which ended up killing Snyder. Heatley ended up spending NO time in jail because Snyder's family forgave Heatley and once again...Snyder got into the car with Heatley. And IIRC, they were able to give evidence that Snyder would often go in rides in Heatley's Ferrari and go at dangerous speeds.

So please...use your irrational logic to defend yourself...but, it's still not the law.





YR





YR

 

[dstovall5]

Your analogies are not even close to be apples to apples. More like apples to sledgehammers.

Thanks for the chuckle.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Both players should be in jail, but this nonsense of blaming Goodell who isn't law enforcement and doesn't have access to prosecutors evidence since it was under court order seal to present to the grand jury.....the mediot's who seem to be all on their high horse about what evidence Goodell should of had or seen, if it was so easy to obtain as the media thinks, why didn't the media get a hold of this video seven month's ago...if anything, the prosecutors are the ones that should be held accountable for their failure to fully prosecute both of these incidents, especially when there's video of Ray Rice knocking out his then Fiancee....

I think the media was probably waiting for it. We do know that it took the AP 1 day to obtain further video with the conversation recorded.

And the media outlets had claimed that the NFL had seen the tape. In fact, many like Chris Mortensen were able to give reports of what was on the tape that were to a tee (Rice punching her twice and knocking her out and her head hitting the railing on the way down).

The prosecutors deserve no blame in the Rice case. They charged BOTH Rice and Palmer for simple assault (because she spat on him). Then after seeing the tape they dropped the charges on Palmer and then RAISED the charges to felony assault and battery on Rice. But, Palmer pleaded with the prosecutor to drop the charges and announced they were getting married, so they could probably invoke spousal privilege (essentially, she can't testify against her husband unless she wants to according to the law).

So, what was the prosecutor supposed to do? They were going to lose any case against Rice because his wife was going to be on his side in court.

The best thing the prosecutor could have done was cut their losses, try and get Rice into a rehabilitation program and hope that he no longer beats Palmer and any other women.

Blaming the police and prosecutors is a cop-out to protect Goodell and the league for being so ignorant on the case.






YR

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The new evidence looked like she was coming at him to cause harm.

Goodell is a problem.

I seriously hope you're kidding.

If that's all you got out of that, and you're going to completely ignore the fact that she came after him because he'd already struck her, then you've got a real serious problem.

 

[ilykdrama]

Such a different situation. Josh Brent has the support of Jerry Brown's mother which is enough for me.

Don't understand why people discount this. If his own mother is forgiving him and wants him to have a good life....why can't we. Will never make sense to me.

 

[daveferr33]

Both players should be in jail, but this nonsense of blaming Goodell who isn't law enforcement and doesn't have access to prosecutors evidence since it was under court order seal to present to the grand jury.....the mediot's who seem to be all on their high horse about what evidence Goodell should of had or seen, if it was so easy to obtain as the media thinks, why didn't the media get a hold of this video seven month's ago...if anything, the prosecutors are the ones that should be held accountable for their failure to fully prosecute both of these incidents, especially when there's video of Ray Rice knocking out his then Fiancee....

I am not sure I agree with you about Goddell, though you raise good points. But I certainly agree with you with regard to the prosecution.

My problem with the NFL's reaction on Monday is that the video did not produce any new evidence--we already knew he clocked her in the elevator, which is why he was dragging around her unconscious body (and which can be seen on the external security tape).

I have nothing but questions:

Why didn't they prosecute? They had all the evidence they needed--the video--they didn't need Mrs. Rice's testimony. Prosecutors allegedly love to go after high profile cases. So why not this one? Did the NFL pressure them to drop the case? Did the NFL know of the existence of the elevator tapes and actively not seek them out (to provide the appearance of plausible deniability)?

The NFL security offices are staffed with ex-FBI and CIA agents. Do you think they could have procured the video tape? TMZ did.

Nothing adds up.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Your analogies are not even close to be apples to apples. More like apples to sledgehammers.

A similar case happened to Danny Heatley when he was driving at insane speeds with his friend Dan Snyder (no, not that one) and crashed Heatley's Ferrari which ended up killing Snyder. Heatley ended up spending NO time in jail because Snyder's family forgave Heatley and once again...Snyder got into the car with Heatley. And IIRC, they were able to give evidence that Snyder would often go in rides in Heatley's Ferrari and go at dangerous speeds.

So please...use your irrational logic to defend yourself...but, it's still not the law.





YR





YR

Yes, counselor. I move for dismissal!! Order! Order in the court of public opinion!!!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Don't understand why people discount this. If his own mother is forgiving him and wants him to have a good life....why can't we. Will never make sense to me.

unfortunately, the courts system do not work that way. A spouse forgives the other for beating him/her and do the D.A. and police dismiss? No. The law doesn't move in some respects no matter who forgives. Well, that is my understanding from watching the news and Matlock.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I seriously hope you're kidding.

If that's all you got out of that, and you're going to completely ignore the fact that she came after him because he'd already struck her, then you've got a real serious problem.

But. . . but it is so convenient to blame the person who was KO'd and dragged from the elevator!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Your analogies are not even close to be apples to apples. More like apples to sledgehammers.

A similar case happened to Danny Heatley when he was driving at insane speeds with his friend Dan Snyder (no, not that one) and crashed Heatley's Ferrari which ended up killing Snyder. Heatley ended up spending NO time in jail because Snyder's family forgave Heatley and once again...Snyder got into the car with Heatley. And IIRC, they were able to give evidence that Snyder would often go in rides in Heatley's Ferrari and go at dangerous speeds.

So please...use your irrational logic to defend yourself...but, it's still not the law.





YR





YR

I think the Forum should appoint you as Forum Legal Expert (for a nominal fee you can charge us. That is the world I want to live in . . . . )

 

[Yakuza Rich]

unfortunately, the courts system do not work that way. A spouse forgives the other for beating him/her and do the D.A. and police dismiss? No. The law doesn't move in some respects no matter who forgives. Well, that is my understanding from watching the news and Matlock.

You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Especially with the Ray Rice situation just happening.

Here's a timeline of events:

Prosecutors charged BOTH Rice and Palmer for simple assault. He admitted to striking her and she admitted to spitting in his direction.

Then the prosecutors saw the elevator tape and DROPPED the charges on Palmer and RAISED the charges on Rice to aggravated assault which is a felony.

It wasn't until Palmer pleaded with the prosecutor and told the prosecutor they were getting married anyway that the gave Rice probation and ordered him to take part in a program to deal with his violence and anger issues.


Danny Heatley got into a car and was driving on a road in Atlanta at speeds nearing 100 mph with his friend Dan Snyder in the passenger seat. The road in question is one you shouldn't drive more than 50 mph (been on that road many times, it's right next to a mall and residential area).

Ferrari crashes and kills Snyder. Snyder's family begs the court to go light on Heatley because they have forgiven him and Heatley gets NO jail time. He gets probation and is ordered to do hours of speeches to kids on the dangers of speeding.





YR