Josh Brent should be nervous

[GimmeTheBall!]

You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Especially with the Ray Rice situation just happening.

Here's a timeline of events:

Prosecutors charged BOTH Rice and Palmer for simple assault. He admitted to striking her and she admitted to spitting in his direction.

Then the prosecutors saw the elevator tape and DROPPED the charges on Palmer and RAISED the charges on Rice to aggravated assault which is a felony.

It wasn't until Palmer pleaded with the prosecutor and told the prosecutor they were getting married anyway that the gave Rice probation and ordered him to take part in a program to deal with his violence and anger issues.


Danny Heatley got into a car and was driving on a road in Atlanta at speeds nearing 100 mph with his friend Dan Snyder in the passenger seat. The road in question is one you shouldn't drive more than 50 mph (been on that road many times, it's right next to a mall and residential area).

Ferrari crashes and kills Snyder. Snyder's family begs the court to go light on Heatley because they have forgiven him and Heatley gets NO jail time. He gets probation and is ordered to do hours of speeches to kids on the dangers of speeding.





YR

Again . . . the law rarely takes a family's feelings into account. In Brent's case and in this . . . Heately case, it did. Hence, lessened penalties.
So two families forgave and two speed racers benefitted. Good for them.
So you ax the law to extend that type off grace to all? Yes, that is a world I also want to live in. A world of forgiveness for all.
Are you satisfied, counselor? I request a break for lunch because my egg and mustard sandwich won't be good forever.
Good luck on your burgeoning amateur law career . You have a keen sense of mitigating schtuff, counselor. And I forgive you too for your aggressive defense of speeders.

 

[jterrell]

Don't feed the trolls.
This was a dumb post that had nothing to do with anything except bringing up Brent.

Brent went through the court system, spent a year out of the league altogether, gets another 10 games upon review from the league and was clearly distraught after the fact.
He wasn't kicking his victim in the side like a piece of trash.

 

[John813]

Unless a video comes out where Brent plots this accident to kill Brown, nothing will change suspension wise.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Again . . . the law rarely takes a family's feelings into account. In Brent's case and in this . . . Heately case, it did. Hence, lessened penalties.

You first said unfortunately the court system doesn't work that way.

Now you're saying the law rarely takes a family's feelings into account.

So, you're changing up your statements. And you're still wrong...the courts do take the victim and the family's into account.

So two families forgave and two speed racers benefitted. Good for them.

Heatley was a sober speed racer.

Brent's fault was he was drunk.

And Rice was not a speed racer. He was charged with FELONY assault and then they reduced the punishment because his fiancé/wife pleaded to the prosecutor.

Here's another case...

Donte Stallworth. Stallworth struck and killed Mario Reyes with his car. They did a breathalyzer and he was above the legal limit.

However, there were 2 things that stuck out:

1. Stallworth's defense could prove that he had his last drink around midnight and the accident happened after he went home to bed and woke up the next day

2. More importantly, they had video that showed that Reyes illegally jaywalked and in the prosecutor's words 'darted out into the street.'

The prosecutor was told by the *Reyes* family to not continue with the prosecution of Stallworth. The family knew that if Stallworth took it to trial then he would likely win the case. And Stallworth could have taken it to trial, but decided not to and came to a settlement with the Reyes family.

The prosecutor took that into account and only gave Stallworth 30 days jail

So you ax the law to extend that type off grace to all? Yes, that is a world I also want to live in.

I hate to tell you this but....THAT IS THE WORLD YOU ALREADY LIVE IN.

I didn't make the laws. I'm not opining the laws. I'm tell you how it works. I'm presenting you with facts and you just seem to think I conjured these out of thin air despite showing you different instances of what you have claimed not being true.





YR

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Y

Now you're saying the law rarely takes a family's feelings into account.
YR

the law, as in police responding to a domestic violence case. If someone is battered and the law arrives, they don't ax the victim if he or she want to press charges. They, the police arrest the accused batterer. That is the way they do it in Texas, I dunno about how they do things in Tennessee or wherever you reside.
the DA, too, raretly takes a family feeling into account. They just go ahead with the prosecution, despite the pleadings of the battered victim.
Now, if a judge or jury takes that into consideration, that is another aspect of the law.
But unlike you, I am no espert on the law.
I am just writing how I see it.
Unfortunately you are in a lather about it. So unlather yoself and take a layman's opinion into account, all high and mighty counselor. heh

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

And YR you half certainly earned yur junior law badge today.

 

[justbob]

You(everyone) a re pushing it.This has been done and redone.Enough arguing.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

the law, as in police responding to a domestic violence case. If someone is battered and the law arrives, they don't ax the victim if he or she want to press charges. They, the police arrest the accused batterer. That is the way they do it in Texas, I dunno about how they do things in Tennessee or wherever you reside.
the DA, too, raretly takes a family feeling into account. They just go ahead with the prosecution, despite the pleadings of the battered victim.
Now, if a judge or jury takes that into consideration, that is another aspect of the law.
But unlike you, I am no espert on the law.
I am just writing how I see it.
Unfortunately you are in a lather about it. So unlather yoself and take a layman's opinion into account, all high and mighty counselor. heh

You didn't say THE LAW as in THE POLICE RESPONDING.

You said unfortunately the court system does not work that way..

You have completely stated and posed it as FACT that is how it works. Now that I'm telling you that is NOT how it works...you're changing your tune to 'well, it's just my opinion.'

That's not an opinion. That's somebody who claimed facts and was found to completely inaccurate.

And I showed 4 different cases in different states such as New York, New Jersey, Florida and TEXAS (where Brent's accident occurred).

And instead of just manning up and saying y'know, you're right I didn't think of that, you would rather resort to ad hominem attacks against me.





YR

 

[The Quest for Six]

I am not sure I agree with you about Goddell, though you raise good points. But I certainly agree with you with regard to the prosecution.

My problem with the NFL's reaction on Monday is that the video did not produce any new evidence--we already knew he clocked her in the elevator, which is why he was dragging around her unconscious body (and which can be seen on the external security tape).

I have nothing but questions:

Why didn't they prosecute? They had all the evidence they needed--the video--they didn't need Mrs. Rice's testimony. Prosecutors allegedly love to go after high profile cases. So why not this one? Did the NFL pressure them to drop the case? Did the NFL know of the existence of the elevator tapes and actively not seek them out (to provide the appearance of plausible deniability)?

The NFL security offices are staffed with ex-FBI and CIA agents. Do you think they could have procured the video tape? TMZ did.

Nothing adds up.

You answered your own question, NFL SECURITY, ...they aren't prosecutors, they don't have the power to subpoena tapes or witnesses...people seem to think the NFL has some entity that works outside the law, it isn't....the prosecutors screwed this up, not Goodell or the NFL...they asked for any and all tapes and were refused as it should be...and without the tapes of inside the elevator, it's speculative at best of what happen, both admitted they were drinking heavily and both stated they were both arguing and fighting.. and Goodell made his decision based on the evidence he had and from the conversation of both Ray and his fiancee, his hands were tied without that tape.....if the prosecutor turned over these tapes while the investigation and grand Jury were seated, Rice's lawyer would have a field day with a Lawsuit not only against the prosecutor inappropriate conduct/sanctions and the NFL and this notion that the NFL could of gotten the video tape from the Casino is laughable, Harvry Levin knows better... they would never give security tapes to anyone unless it's court ordered, that's how the prosecutor got them and a court would never give a court order for the NFL to get them....TMZ got them from a guy that worked for the casino and took a payment from TMZ for them, he should be prosecuted for stealing private property..

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You didn't say THE LAW as in THE POLICE RESPONDING.

You said unfortunately the court system does not work that way..
YR

Yes, the court system at sentencing/deliberation etc.
The other part of the law is police responding to domestic abuse cases. There the attacker/attackers go to jail. Simple.
As you get further into a lather, assess your vociferous outrage for someone espressing a opinion or opinions. You seem rather . . . excitable. Garcon! More fiber in his diet!!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yes, the court system at sentencing/deliberation etc.
The other part of the law is police responding to domestic abuse cases. There the attacker/attackers go to jail. Simple.
As you get further into a lather, assess your vociferous outrage for someone espressing a opinion or opinions. You seem rather . . . excitable. Garcon! More fiber in his diet!!

You said that the court system does NOT work that way in the reference to listening to the victim's statement.

Then you changed it to say that the police are not the ones that listen to the victim's statement (this is untrue as well, I'll get into that in a bit.).

Can you at least acknowledge that you were wrong in your initial statement?

Also, I've seen police frequently not arrest somebody after the alleged victim pleads with them not to arrest the attacker. Case in point...the police receive a call about domestic violence from a neighbor. Police come over to the house and say they have received complaints about a disturbance. Female says nothing happened...and they don't arrest anybody. And usually they say to the effect if we have to come back here again somebody is going to go to jail.

And yes, this even happens in Texas.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You answered your own question, NFL SECURITY, ...they aren't prosecutors, they don't have the power to subpoena tapes or witnesses...people seem to think the NFL has some entity that works outside the law, it isn't....the prosecutors screwed this up, not Goodell or the NFL..

The prosecution is not at fault. They charged Rice for the incident. They upped his initial charge from misdemeanor assault to felony aggravated assault after they saw the elevator tape. Rice's fiancé/wife pleaded with the prosecution to not charge him and then married him. She could then use spousal privilege and in all likelihood, the prosecution could not get her to testify against her husband if they wanted to.

There's no way you're winning that case if you're the prosecution.

Goodell just wrote a letter to each of the owners stating that they DIDN'T EVEN ASK THE CASINO for a copy of the tape.

If anything, it shows gross incompetence on Goodell's part.





YR

 

[LandryFan]

Such a different situation. Josh Brent has the support of Jerry Brown's mother which is enough for me.

Not to mention jail time/ 1-1/2 yrs out of the game already. In Rice's case, "new evidence" came out which supposedly changed his suspension length. Brent's circumstances are entirely different.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You said that the court system does NOT work that way in the reference to listening to the victim's statement.
YR

Hurry up, garcon!!!!!

And bring the untangler. Also, another splicer for Mr. Rich!

 

[sureletsrace]

The difference is that Ray Rices situation saw new evidence come to light, whereas with Josh Brent, he's already been charged, convicted, and served his time.

 

[The Quest for Six]

The prosecution is not at fault. They charged Rice for the incident. They upped his initial charge from misdemeanor assault to felony aggravated assault after they saw the elevator tape. Rice's fiancé/wife pleaded with the prosecution to not charge him and then married him. She could then use spousal privilege and in all likelihood, the prosecution could not get her to testify against her husband if they wanted to.

There's no way you're winning that case if you're the prosecution.

Goodell just wrote a letter to each of the owners stating that they DIDN'T EVEN ASK THE CASINO for a copy of the tape.

If anything, it shows gross incompetence on Goodell's part.





YR

one of thee easiest cases to prosecute, you don't need his fiancee to testify at all, put video on, case closed...

The casino would never give anyone a tape from their premises unless it's court ordered...the NFL knew that and didn't need to ask for it,,they aren't morons, they have lawyers, that's why they asked law enforcement for it and were denied....

show me where a news organization asked the Casino for the video...why didn't TMZ get it from the Casino, it's been seven month's if it was so easy to get and not from some security guard looking to make some money..what he did was theft, and he should be charged

 

[Yakuza Rich]

one of thee easiest cases to prosecute, you don't need his fiancee to testify at all, put video on, case closed...

It simply is not an easy case to prosecute when the victim does not want the prosecutor to prosecute the attacker who happens to be her husband.

It would have gotten dismissed before it got to trial.

You're basically asking the prosecutor to prosecute a case where the victim is saying that she is not a victim. It's akin to somebody stealing a candy bar from a store and then the store owner saying I don't want you to prosecute him.

The casino would never give anyone a tape from their premises unless it's court ordered...the NFL knew that and didn't need to ask for it,,they aren't morons, they have lawyers, that's why they asked law enforcement for it and were denied....

The NFL should have at least asked the casino for the tape. And I don't buy that they would have never given the tape to the NFL if they were asked. They would have simply made a copy of the tape, given it to the NFL and kept their own records of the tape.

But not asking the casino for the tape is just another in a long line of arrogance and incompetence from Goodell's office.

show me where a news organization asked the Casino for the video...why didn't TMZ get it from the Casino, it's been seven month's if it was so easy to get and not from some security guard looking to make some money..what he did was theft, and he should be charged

How did Chris Mortensen know verbatim what happened on the elevator tape from his sources that were, according to Mortensen, from the league office?

Somebody saw that tape in the league's office. And somebody got ahold of it. How they got ahold of it, I don't know. But when Mortensen and other reporters have sources from the league that told them verbatim what happened...it was a video that the league had.



YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Hurry up, garcon!!!!!

And bring the untangler. Also, another splicer for Mr. Rich!

You see...I don't know what it's like to not be funny.

So that's why I don't get your point.





YR

 

[starfrombirth]

Is 10-weeks of suspension enough now? Now that Goodell has gotten (suddenly tougher) and shifted Ray Rice's NFL punishment?

If Rice's case is a true indication of another direction, Brent should be sweating it out and that guy from the 49ers too.

I say Brent's suspension might well be extended.

I mentioned this in another thread and I can't believe the arbitrariness of Goodell's decisions.

 

[starfrombirth]

It seems as if Jerry Brown's mother would like to see Josh Brent reinstated/rehabilitated. I wonder how much of a factor that plays into it. I have to think the way Garrett and Jerry Jones have talked, and Garrett apparently still speaks with Brown's Mother, getting Brent back with his teammates and around football might be the best thing for him.

I'm not sure how much that weighs with Goodell, but I don't see his suspension being extended unless he screws up again.

Well I'm sure that Rice's wife forgives him and would like to see him reinstated too. He can use his salary to make restitution to his wife and ensure that she lives a good life.... right?