Josh Norman signs with Commanders

[Daillest88]

For what it's worth..

@AlbertBreer
Reality of Commanders CB Josh Norman's deal: 2 yrs, $36.5 million, fully guaranteed; $500K in per-game roster bonuses in '17. Then, options.

@AlbertBreer 3h3 hours ago
Another key for Commanders: By the time McCloughan's draft picks start becoming eligible for 2nd contracts, they can bail from Norman's deal.

I'm not trying to convince anyone it's a good signing, but it's interesting to see some details.

Good structure.

 

[Daillest88]

We weren't going Corner in the draft either way. After furthur reading, it's clear that only 34 mil is guaranteed and there are contract exit ramps at year two and year three. After the third year, the cap hit is 9 and 6 mil respectively. This deal doesn't resemble a Snyder deal in any way.

True.. That's a good structured contract

 

[morrissey1]

It did? Even without Romo, Dallas running game was superior to the skins.

Pass blocking was very suspect and Romo found himself on the run and ultimately in traction once again.

 

[Daillest88]

Pass blocking was very suspect and Romo found himself on the run and ultimately in traction once again.

Our pass protection was very good.. I can't tell you how many times weeden and Cassel had atleast 5 seconds to throw the ball last year. The problem with Romo is he always trys to extend plays. That's what makes him so great but that's also why he got injured last year..

 

[morrissey1]

Our pass protection was very good.. I can't tell you how many times weeden and Cassel had atleast 5 seconds to throw the ball last year. The problem with Romo is he always trys to extend plays. That's what's him so great but that's also why he git j jured last year..

Honestly I need to look up some stats to support my argument furthur, but it's clear the line play was a drop off from the previous year. I never said that they played poorly, I only said that they came back to earth and I think the run and pass stats will support that.

 

[Daillest88]

Honestly I need to look up some stats to support my argument furthur, but it's clear the line play was a drop off from the previous year. I never said that they played poorly, I only said that they came back to earth and I think the run and pass stats will support that.

McFadden didn't start till the 5th game still ran for 1100 yards and 4.6 ypc.. you won't win this argument. Take a look at McFadden's career before he came here. He did that without a passing threat and did that against 8 man fronts.

 

[Daillest88]

Honestly I need to look up some stats to support my argument furthur, but it's clear the line play was a drop off from the previous year. I never said that they played poorly, I only said that they came back to earth and I think the run and pass stats will support that.

We had a few penalties here and there. That's from changing qbs. We also were able to change from a zone blocking to man to man and did very well. Having a healthy dez and romo will take off the pressure on the line we have a good formula, that's why I want Ezekiel Elliot. He would dominant behind this line.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Fantastic move and an even better deal. Commitment only for 2 years.

Get the WVU safety at 21 and the secondary is set. Deep DL draft

If GMSM does the work in the '16 draft that he did in '15, this team is ready to roll

 

[Daillest88]

Fantastic move and an even better deal. Commitment only for 2 years.

Get the WVU safety at 21 and the secondary is set. Deep DL draft

If GMSM does the work in the '16 draft that he did in '15, this team is ready to roll

You guys should go DT in the first and get the best one. I like Joseph also. I do believe he's a target for the boys.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

You guys should go DT in the first and get the best one. I like Joseph also. I do believe he's a target for the boys.

This is such a deep DL draft I feel GMSM can find an impact guy in round 2/3.

Getting this secondary from abysmal to potentially terrific (with Norman/Breeland/Joseph) would be big, considering the WRs the Commanders play this year

 

[Daillest88]

This is such a deep DL draft I feel GMSM can find an impact guy in round 2/3.

Getting this secondary from abysmal to potentially terrific (with Norman/Breeland/Joseph) would be big, considering the WRs the Commanders play this year

Yeah Joseph looks good but he's coming off an injury. D line is deep but a guy like Andrew billings or Robinson can be special players. Alot of scouts see Joseph as a 2nd/3rd round guy because of the injury

 

[morrissey1]

McFadden didn't start till the 5th game still ran for 1100 yards and 4.6 ypc.. you won't win this argument. Take a look at McFadden's career before he came here. He did that without a passing threat and did that against 8 man fronts.

The only argument to be made is that there was a drop off from the previous year. That's the only statement that I've made. Can you dispute that?

 

[Daillest88]

The only argument to be made is that there was a drop off from the previous year. That's the only statement that I've made. Can you dispute that?

Of course there was. It's harder when you go up against 8 man fronts more often and the opposing team doesn't respect your backup qb.. Still weeden and Cassel were clueless behind that line. Had all day to throw, and still couldn't make things happen, that's why I don't fault the line.

 

[KJJ]

We also got Cedric Thornton who is a huge upgrade over Hayden. We also have the number 4 pick who will get us a premium type player. The team I fear the most in this division is the new York giants. They had so many close games last year including against very good teams they filled up Alot of holes on defense and could get a very good player with the 10th pick.

How big an upgrade Thornton is remains to be seen we have to see how he fits in and we're "hoping" the #4 overall pick becomes a premium type player. There's no assurances when you add a free agent or draft a player that it's going to work out especially with a dysfunctional team that isn't well coached. Someone in this East is eventually going to emerge into a strong consistent team that's going to win 11-13 games a season and that's going to leave the Cowboys fighting for a wildcard every year unless things start to change. Looking at our roster primarily on the defensive side of the ball we're in trouble. Offensively with Romo aging and suffering injuries every year we're going to be needing a QB in the next 2-3 years. The thought of that is scary.

 

[Nightman]

He's going to be collecting social security before his contract is up. He's that old.

I know you are against creating cap space, but this is exactly one of those situations Adam and I were talking about last week.

An All Pro player is suddenly released from his tag and becomes an UDFA. DAL doesn't have the space to sign him and he doesn't even visit or he leaves while we scramble to create room.

You may not agree with the player in this case but that is why it is better to have it and not need it.

And now CAR has 31m in space and a gigantic hole at CB.

 

[StylisticS]

Pass blocking was very suspect and Romo found himself on the run and ultimately in traction once again.

Romo really didn't find himself on the run. He just held the ball too long because our receivers don't really create separation all that well. Probably due to scheme.

 

[Daillest88]

How big an upgrade Thornton is remains to be seen we have to see how he fits in and we're "hoping" the #4 overall pick becomes a premium type player. There's no assurances when you add a free agent or draft a player that it's going to work out especially with a dysfunctional team that isn't well coached. Someone in this East is eventually going to emerge into a strong consistent team that's going to win 11-13 games a season and that's going to leave the Cowboys fighting for a wildcard every year unless things start to change. Looking at our roster primarily on the defensive side of the ball we're in trouble. Offensively with Romo aging and suffering injuries every year we're going to be needing a QB in the next 2-3 years. The thought of that is scary.

True but that can be said about any team. That's also why Hardy isn't coming back..we were a well coached team in 2014 we had no defense ends that year either and did well on defense. Thornton is replacing Hayden who we all know was the weakest link on that line... Thornton will help out our run defense Alot. Drafting Elliot would help us on both sides of the ball. We definitely need to get a QB tho for the future I won't deny that.

 

[KJJ]

True but that can be said about any team. That's also why Hardy isn't coming back..we were a well coached team in 2014 we had no defense ends that year either and did well on defense. Thornton is replacing Hayden who we all know was the weakest link on that line... Thornton will help out our run defense Alot. Drafting Elliot would help us on both sides of the ball. We definitely need to get a QB tho for the future I won't deny that.

Hardy isn't coming back because he didn't perform well enough to be worth the headache. We had a great running game in 2014 led by the leagues leading rusher which kept the defense off the field a significant number of plays more than in 2013 which is why the D looked better. Thornton should help our run defense but we'll see. Drafting a runner who has the potential to become an elite runner would greatly help us offensively and would help our defense. A talented young back behind our OL who can produce yards, TD's and move the chains on 3rd and short could dramatically improve the team.

 

[Hoofbite]

I know you are against creating cap space, but this is exactly one of those situations Adam and I were talking about last week.

An All Pro player is suddenly released from his tag and becomes an UDFA. DAL doesn't have the space to sign him and he doesn't even visit or he leaves while we scramble to create room.

You may not agree with the player in this case but that is why it is better to have it and not need it.

And now CAR has 31m in space and a gigantic hole at CB.

It wasn't a lack of space, it was a lack of willingness to spend that much on the guy. They could have made it work even without adding to their limited space. You can't creatively structure your willingness. You're either willing or your aren't. Dallas wasn't.

 

[Craig]

It wasn't a lack of space, it was a lack of willingness to spend that much on the guy. They could have made it work even without adding to their limited space. You can't creatively structure your willingness. You're either willing or your aren't. Dallas wasn't.

If the team that he just helped to the super bowl wasnt willing to spend money to retain him, there is no reason anyone else should be willing to spend that money. Everyone that passed on him had the right idea...washington is washington.