Judge orders settlement date on Peterson

[Galian Beast]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ettlement-talk-nfl-union-adrian-peterson-case

It is set for half an hour after the contempt hearing, which basically boxes the NFL into having to come up with a decision on the 13th that is in keeping with Doty's decision on the same day.

I'm guessing they'll be forced to drop his suspension to 2 games, and as a result may have to drop Hardy's to 2 games.

 

[Galian Beast]

corrections:

So I guess the settlement conference will happen before the contempt hearing thus giving the NFL an opportunity to comply with Doty's previous ruling.

"She ordered both sides to discuss a settlement on or before July 30 and if nothing comes of that to give her confidential letters outlining their positions by Aug. 6."

"Noncompliance with the order, Mayeron wrote, could lead to "an appropriate sanction.""

 

[guag]

But I've heard that it's not worth the effort for Hardy to continue fighting, and this woman-beater should just be happy with what he's got. </sarcasm>

 

[spook930]

Sweet

 

[Fredd]

drama, drama, drama....when does TC start?

 

[DogFace]

Those against the judicial process please let us all know how it's flawed in this case. Seems as though Hardy, an American citizen, can't be convicted and sentenced unreasonably despite what you think you know.

 

[Wood]

corrections:

So I guess the settlement conference will happen before the contempt hearing thus giving the NFL an opportunity to comply with Doty's previous ruling.

"She ordered both sides to discuss a settlement on or before July 30 and if nothing comes of that to give her confidential letters outlining their positions by Aug. 6."

"Noncompliance with the order, Mayeron wrote, could lead to "an appropriate sanction.""

ok can you break this down to laymen terms. What constitutes noncompliance and appropriate sanction.

 

[jazzcat22]

From 10 games to 4 games, then if to 2 games......things looking even more on the upside.
Though I am more concerned not having McClain for 4 games than I am Hardy for 4 games.

Hardy will be a bonus this year, as we did not have him last year, and we were counting on Lawerence, Mincey, And a draft pick (pre Gregory falling to us) and the emergence of Gardner or another player to be our pass rush. And most thought this may have been fine, if the draft pick was decent, or a strong DT to help the pass rush.

We seen how McClain impacted the D last year. luckily Carter had some decent games when McClain wasn't in there, and the emergence of Hitchins. now Lee being back helps this year. But as I said, we wanted, needed McClain back. Hardy will be a bonus.

I'm sure the coaches have their adjustments ready for those 4 games going into camp.

 

[Galian Beast]

ok can you break this down to laymen terms. What constitutes noncompliance and appropriate sanction.

Non-compliance would be if they didn't meet with the NFLPA to settle the matter or if they do not give the Judge their position in the settlement by the date she requested. Sanctions generally would be fines in this case. It could also be a condemnation of the NFL prior to the contempt hearing, one in which they were already slated to lose and lose big. I believe that could result in Doty being more aggressive in his action against the NFL. There are a lot of variables at stake, that weren't addressed as Doty kept his decision narrow in his first order, such as whether or not Henderson was a neutral arbitrator in the first place. He also didn't rule on the suspension, in which case he may here. And hopefully for us Hardy as well.

 

[Galian Beast]

Those against the judicial process please let us all know how it's flawed in this case. Seems as though Hardy, an American citizen, can't be convicted and sentenced unreasonably despite what you think you know.

This is a bad analysis of the situation.

There is criminal, civil, and private actions.

There was a criminal case against Hardy. He was cleared at the end of it.

The NFL is a private enterprise. It is allowed to discipline Hardy within the confines of the CBA.

The NFL went outside of the CBA in disciplining Hardy. As a result a civil suit was brought against them.

None of this has to do with the criminal element of it anymore.

 

[Wood]

I will say it right now. If Hardy suspension gets knocked down to 2 games and Dallas establishes a running game the Cowboys will be handful to deal with.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm guessing they'll be forced to drop his suspension to 2 games, and as a result may have to drop Hardy's to 2 games.

 

[Rogah]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ettlement-talk-nfl-union-adrian-peterson-case

It is set for half an hour after the contempt hearing, which basically boxes the NFL into having to come up with a decision on the 13th that is in keeping with Doty's decision on the same day.

I'm guessing they'll be forced to drop his suspension to 2 games, and as a result may have to drop Hardy's to 2 games.

The one has nothing to do directly with the other (key word: directly). Don't get me wrong; precedence can affect future outcomes, but nothing there will force the league to change the Hardy suspension up front.

 

[Galian Beast]

The one has nothing to do directly with the other (key word: directly). Don't get me wrong; precedence can affect future outcomes, but nothing there will force the league to change the Hardy suspension up front.

I'm sorry, but I'm getting a bit tired of having to explain this.

In the contempt motion, Hardy is directly cited. If the NFLPA wins on the Peterson case, they will certainly appeal on Hardy's as well.

As shown below, from the time the Order was issued up through the present, the NFL has flouted the Court’s rulings in an attempt to subject Mr. Peterson—and now yet another NFL Player, Greg Hardy (and perhaps more to come)—to retroactive punishment under the New Policy. Significantly, the NFL has engaged in this self-help, contumacious defiance of this Court’s Order without even seeking—much less obtaining—any stay of the Order pending its appeal in the Eighth Circuit.1

Third, in its latest act of contempt, the NFL recently suspended Dallas Cowboys Defensive End Greg Hardy for ten games under the New Policy, even though Mr. Hardy’s alleged misconduct took place in May 2014, long before the New Policy was implemented. Thus, the NFL retroactively applied the New Policy to yet another NFL player despite this Court’s ruling—based on CBA law of the shop—that such retroactive punishment violates the essence of the CBA. This conduct additionally and independently warrants a finding of contempt

No matter how much the NFL may disagree with the Court’s Order, absent a stay issued by this Court or the Eighth Circuit, the League must abide by it. The NFL chose not to seek a judicial stay pending appeal (recognizing it would likely not receive one), instead choosing to simply ignore the Court’s Order as if it did not exist. The NFLPA refrained from filing this motion for as long as it could, but the NFL’s retroactive CASE 0:14-cv-04990-DSD-JSM Document 48 Filed 05/19/15 Page 4 of 26 4 application of the New Policy to Mr. Hardy has punctuated the League’s defiance of the Order and apparent belief that it is not bound by the law.

; (3) refrain from retroactively applying the New Policy to any NFL Player, including Mr. Hardy, for conduct engaged in prior to the announcement of the New Policy; and (4) reimburse the NFLPA for lawyers’ fees and costs incurred as a result of the NFL’s contumacious conduct, through the costs of litigating this Motion.2

 

[John813]

From 10 games to 4 games, then if to 2 games......things looking even more on the upside.
Though I am more concerned not having McClain for 4 games than I am Hardy for 4 games.

I dunno, thought Hitchens played just fine when McClain was out.
He isn't as physically gifted as McClain, but he's like Lee in that he's always near the ball carrier.

 

[Rogah]

I'm sorry, but I'm getting a bit tired of having to explain this.

In the contempt motion, Hardy is directly cited. If the NFLPA wins on the Peterson case, they will certainly appeal on Hardy's as well.

That's the only point I'm making and I apologize if I was unclear. It would take another appeal. No matter what happens here, I don't see the NFL voluntary lowering the suspension any further.

They would much rather get their ***** whipped in court time and again for being too strict on men who beat up women than appear to be too lenient. No womens' groups call for Goodell to be fired when he over-punishes and loses in court.

 

[Galian Beast]

That's the only point I'm making and I apologize if I was unclear. It would take another appeal. No matter what happens here, I don't see the NFL voluntary lowering the suspension any further.

They would much rather get their ***** whipped in court time and again for being too strict on men who beat up women than appear to be too lenient. No womens' groups call for Goodell to be fired when he over-punishes and loses in court.

Not necessarily. It would only take another appeal if Doty doesn't make a ruling on it in the contempt hearing, which the NFLPA has requested that he do.

 

[ufcrules1]

Man it is still going to suck to have Hardy out for a minimum of 2 games. Those first 2 games are huge against the Giants at home and then on the road vs the Eagles. 2 divisional games. Both teams always play us tough too. Would be nice to start off 2-0 and against division rivals.

 

[DogFace]

This is a bad analysis of the situation.

There is criminal, civil, and private actions.

There was a criminal case against Hardy. He was cleared at the end of it.

The NFL is a private enterprise. It is allowed to discipline Hardy within the confines of the CBA.

The NFL went outside of the CBA in disciplining Hardy. As a result a civil suit was brought against them.

None of this has to do with the criminal element of it anymore.

This is a bad analysis of the situation.

There is criminal, civil, and private actions.

There was a criminal case against Hardy. He was cleared at the end of it.

The NFL is a private enterprise. It is allowed to discipline Hardy within the confines of the CBA.

The NFL went outside of the CBA in disciplining Hardy. As a result a civil suit was brought against them.

None of this has to do with the criminal element of it anymore.

It is all based on the alledged criminal act.
The judicial process will be complete after the court date and the mediation and will determine if the league acted outside of the collective bargaining agreements rules about discipline.

 

[YosemiteSam]

drama, drama, drama....when does TC start?

After the drama!