Juicing in Football

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Doomsday101;2783660 said:
It should carry that penalty it is cheating no matter how anyone wants to spin it. It puts pressure on clean athletes to use out of fear of losing their job to a player who are using. As far I'm concerned any player using anabolic steroid or other human growth hormones should be banned from the game

David Ortiz is the first guy that pops into mind. Went from bashing the ball to every field with power, to suddenly being a .200 hitter with zero dingers.
 

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Actually I think Hard Core steriod use is very rare. HGH and stuff like that on the other hand I bet is the drug of choice. And actually one can argue that that is nothing like steroids.
 

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jimnabby;2783656 said:
I think it's safe to say that usage of banned substances is much higher in football than in baseball - the tangible benefits are at least as great, probably much greater, the penalties are lower (at this point), and the public tolerance is much much greater (people are seriously proposing a one-strike-and-you're-banned-for-life policy in baseball, but nobody even notices the fact that the first offense carries no suspension at all in football).

Think you are wrong here. Any performance enhancer use that gets caught earns you a four game suspension. It is the recreational stuff that gets you a warning or two before suspension.
 

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Apollo Creed;2783661 said:
David Ortiz is the first guy that pops into mind. Went from bashing the ball to every field with power, to suddenly being a .200 hitter with zero dingers.
yet he's the only player to come out and say they should test more and if you fail you should be banned. I doubt he would be stupid enough to say that if he was using. also he's battling injuries and he hit his 1st homer 2 days ago.
 

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Apollo Creed;2783661 said:
David Ortiz is the first guy that pops into mind. Went from bashing the ball to every field with power, to suddenly being a .200 hitter with zero dingers.

A-Rod hits well over 300 with 50 homers in steroid years, and 300 or less and 35 HRs in non-steroid years.

Steroids give him about a 30%+ boost in HRs per season.
 

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Apollo Creed;2783661 said:
David Ortiz is the first guy that pops into mind. Went from bashing the ball to every field with power, to suddenly being a .200 hitter with zero dingers.

Then what he really was, was a 200 hitter. I know many players use them and the ones who don't get lumped in with them and it does put pressure in a highly competitive world athletes live in for non user to begin using out of fear of losing the job
 

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nyc;2783668 said:
A-Rod hits well over 300 with 50 homers in steroid years, and 300 or less and 35 HRs in non-steroid years.

Steroids give him about a 30%+ boost in HRs per season.
Not to mention the millions of dollars he stole from Owners thinking he was better than he actually was.
 

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Judas;2783657 said:
He does play with no regard for his own safety, or his own life. He plays like someone threatened his family.

Wah wah wah he plays hard he must be roiding.
 

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arglebargle;2783663 said:
Think you are wrong here. Any performance enhancer use that gets caught earns you a four game suspension. It is the recreational stuff that gets you a warning or two before suspension.

You're right; I forgot that they were treated differently. That makes the penalties fairly comparable - 1/4 of the season vs. ~1/3 in baseball.
 
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jcollins28;2783648 said:
Exactly and what are we going to call a "steroid"? By definition creatine is a steroid. Not to mention the boatload of over the counter Prohormones that can be bought from any nutrition store.

Creatine is not a steroid. It can enhance physical performance in certain contexts, but it is not a steroid chemically, nor does it do anything to the human body that is even reminiscent of steroids. It can enhance the function of the muscle you already have and even theoretically make it a little bit easier to make new muscle... but the same could be said for eating lots of steak and eggs. In fact, steak has a lot of creatine in it... creatine supplements just make it much easier to consume a bunch of creatine at a time. Steroids are different--much more like taking a "drug" in a lot of ways. Plus they are much more harmful... and the better they work, the more harmful they are, generally speaking.
You're right that it can be tricky sometimes to tell the difference between a "drug" and a "supplement", but creatine and steroids are pretty clear-cut, in my opinion.
Almost all prohormones are now illegal too--prohormones are, actually, technically steroids (which is a chemical term), but most of them aren't considered anabolic steroids (which is the class of steroids that we are talking about), and none of the legal ones I know of are significantly anabolic. The only prohormones commonly available don't do very much if anything.
 

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Just for the record.
 

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Apollo Creed;2783817 said:
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Just for the record.

The pic on top is photoshopped btw.
If you look at the neckline you can tell. It's blurry and no tattoo.
 

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nyc;2783635 said:
...and the MLB tested A-Rod hundreds of times, but that sure didn't mean he wasn't using. :rolleyes:
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Judas;2783646 said:
Have you seen Barber lately? He makes TO look like a baby. Either that guy is sampson, or he's juicing.
Actually it's TO's mouth and needy attitude that make him look like a baby.
 

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Judas;2783657 said:
He does play with no regard for his own safety, or his own life. He plays like someone threatened his family.
I wish more players did.

Was Pete Rose a juicer? Or just a gambler? By your definition his passion wasn't hustle, it was roids. That's just ignorant.
 

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GalvestonCowboyFan;2783758 said:
Creatine is not a steroid. It can enhance physical performance in certain contexts, but it is not a steroid chemically, nor does it do anything to the human body that is even reminiscent of steroids. It can enhance the function of the muscle you already have and even theoretically make it a little bit easier to make new muscle... but the same could be said for eating lots of steak and eggs. In fact, steak has a lot of creatine in it... creatine supplements just make it much easier to consume a bunch of creatine at a time. Steroids are different--much more like taking a "drug" in a lot of ways. Plus they are much more harmful... and the better they work, the more harmful they are, generally speaking.
You're right that it can be tricky sometimes to tell the difference between a "drug" and a "supplement", but creatine and steroids are pretty clear-cut, in my opinion.
Almost all prohormones are now illegal too--prohormones are, actually, technically steroids (which is a chemical term), but most of them aren't considered anabolic steroids (which is the class of steroids that we are talking about), and none of the legal ones I know of are significantly anabolic. The only prohormones commonly available don't do very much if anything.

Have you ever taken any prohormones? True that since 2004 most of the good ones are now banned (andro). There has been a release of new ph's recently that are pretty good and do make a difference. I'm a gym rat and have seen guys within the past 6 months start taking some of these new ph's and yes they have made some decent gains. I don't think I would take any of these new ph's though. In reality all they are is steroids that was rejected for one reason or another. If I was going to go that far I would just inject the real stuff and be done with it.
 

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Hostile;2783839 said:
Actually it's TO's mouth and needy attitude that make him look like a baby.
Kinda like a lot of you all around here? (of course not you in particular) ;)
 
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