Julius Jones vs Tony Romo

[NoLuv4Jerry]

We all receall Julius Jones burst on the scene like a rocket...then Bill Parcells, with all of his experience as a NFL running back TOLD him how to run the football, now he is Stevie Wonder in shoulder pads

Is there any chance that Tony Romo takes a nosedive next year after Parcells spends the summer schooling him on the finer points of playing QB? Because you know in addition to being a HOF running back...Parcells was also a fine, fine QB!

 

[DallasDomination]

If you can play you can play...Period!. PLus why would Romo get worse? Parcells said it HImself, He wants Romo to be more carefull with the Football but He doesnt want him to drastically change his game. IF Romo works on his game He should only get better not worse.

What happened to JJ is beyond me. He looks like He lost his edge. Was it Pacells? Who knows.

 

[silverbear]

We all receall Julius Jones burst on the scene like a rocket...then Bill Parcells, with all of his experience as a NFL running back TOLD him how to run the football, now he is Stevie Wonder in shoulder pads

Well, now I know I don't need to take anything you say in the future seriously...

"Stevie Wonder in shoulder pads"?? How completely ridiculous can one statement be??

Perhaps the most comical thing about this post is your constant insults aimed at Parcells... it's almost like you think you know more about football than he does...

You aren't THAT silly, are you??

 

[Rack]

Well, now I know I don't need to take anything you say in the future seriously...

"Stevie Wonder in shoulder pads"?? How completely ridiculous can one statement be??

Perhaps the most comical thing about this post is your constant insults aimed at Parcells... it's almost like you think you know more about football than he does...

You aren't THAT silly, are you??

I'm sick of these completely ignorant people that blame Parcells for JuJo's shortcomings.

Nah, it couldn't just be that that's what JuJo is, a RB that'll have a huge game once in a while, but for the most part is average at best. Nah, JuJo was destined for GREATNESS till Parcells ruined him.

 

[burmafrd]

Its every bit as valid as some of the other stuff certain others here claim.

I have yet to hear any of the JJ haters explain what happened to that back that smoked several teams late in 2004. What happened to the moves, the jukes, the risk taking? He certainly had vision back then. What happened to it? Or could it just be that BP wants a running back to follow the play, do as he is told, and thats that? What really ticks me off was BPs rant about NEGATIVE PLAYS. JJ has had more negative plays since he has supposedly started running the way BP wants him to. BP said JJ was running the way he wanted him to all season long- untill the very end. Yet I saw no difference at all. the greatest assett a RB has is his instincts- and I say BP has basically taken JJ's instincts away and turned him into a robot.

 

[superpunk]

Great thread.

The answer to the question (well, not YOUR question, but the one I'm going to make up and answer because yours is ridiculous) is yes.

Yes, I believe that it is possible that we overhype Romo after beating up on bad defenses the same way we did to Julius. It is possible that Romo may be nothing more than an average QB capable of big games against bad defenses now and again, just as Julius has proven to be an average runner capable of big games against bad defenses now and again. I also believe, should Romo fall off, there will be similar threads on here in two years that blame Parcells and Palmer for his decline.

 

[burmafrd]

Its every bit as possible that BP does affect certain players negatively. Is that any less likely?

 

[burmafrd]

By the way- JJs two biggest games came against playoff teams. His biggest run this year came against a team that is playing for the conference championship.

 

[TDHND]

Since when have people complained so much about a 1,000 yard rusher. I'm sick of hearing the Julius bashing. He's lucky to even be in the NFL. He had to work his butt off to get back into ND and he's now getting the benefits from that.

 

[Eddie]

Since when have people complained so much about a 1,000 yard rusher. I'm sick of hearing the Julius bashing. He's lucky to even be in the NFL. He had to work his butt off to get back into ND and he's now getting the benefits from that.

I have to agree. Julius isn't LT, but he's still the first 1000 yard rusher we've had in a LONG time. I'll take his grand over MBIII's 5 touches a game anyday.

Even with our porous OL, he still ran for the thousand. Not too shabby for a RB you guys want to run out of town. How many "average" thousand yard rushers are there? He's not elite, but he's a good RB. I'll take him over Eddie George, Troy Hambrick, and yes, even an aging Emmitt Smith, anyday.

OL, my friends ... fix the OL, and you'll see Julius crank out another 200-300 yards next season.

 

[superpunk]

Even with our porous OL, he still ran for the thousand. Not too shabby for a RB you guys want to run out of town. How many "average" thousand yard rushers are there? He's not elite, but he's a good RB.

There are plenty of average 1,000 yard rushers. 22 RBs and 1 QB eclipsed the 1,000 yard mark this year. It's really not a big deal. I like Julius, and I think for our two-back system, he's fine. I'm not a fan of that system, I'd prefer it to be one guy, but it's OK. I just think the notion that Parcells has somehow mind-manipulated Julius and ruined him is ridiculous. Maybe having something more than a speed bump at RG would help, since his numbers running right have been consistently terrible with Rivera here. But as of right now, he is an average running back - and Parcells has nothing to do with that.

 

[FLcowboy]

I have to agree. Julius isn't LT, but he's still the first 1000 yard rusher we've had in a LONG time. I'll take his grand over MBIII's 5 touches a game anyday.

Even with our porous OL, he still ran for the thousand. Not too shabby for a RB you guys want to run out of town. How many "average" thousand yard rushers are there? He's not elite, but he's a good RB. I'll take him over Eddie George, Troy Hambrick, and yes, even an aging Emmitt Smith, anyday.

OL, my friends ... fix the OL, and you'll see Julius crank out another 200-300 yards next season.

Finally, somebody contributed an ounce of reason to this thread. The poor O-line diminished both Julius's and Tony's results, and yet both still had acceptable numbers. Poor game planning also contributed to less than steller results. Romo and Jones will be a lot better with offensive game planning geared to an opponent's weakness, and a right guard that is mobile enough to stop an on-rushing defender.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I'll take him over Eddie George, Troy Hambrick, and yes, even an aging Emmitt Smith, anyday.

Not a ringing endorsement ! :laugh2:

 

[Zman5]

Finally, somebody contributed an ounce of reason to this thread. The poor O-line diminished both Julius's and Tony's results, and yet both still had acceptable numbers. Poor game planning also contributed to less than steller results. Romo and Jones will be a lot better with offensive game planning geared to an opponent's weakness, and a right guard that is mobile enough to stop an on-rushing defender.

:fact:

 

[DipChit]

With Jones I think it's pretty simple really.

Give him pretty good holes and he can be a pretty good RB. Don't, and he cant.

Which overall you could say about anyone although no matter what the line is like for better or worse he's not going to be like LT/LJ no matter how good it is (he's just not that level of player) or like T-Ham/EG a couple years ago no matter how bad it is (because he'd always be a threat to bust one).

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

First of all...for all you people that have a heart attack when someone is critical of Parcells....GET OVER IT!!! The results speak for themselves.

And for those who want to shake shots at my football acumen...get over it. There are PLENTY of people who HAVE PLAYED THE GAME for the COWBOYS that have made the same accusations against Parcells and how he overcoaches players. How many times was there an opportunity for JuJo to bounce a run outside and he ran up the bak of his OL. Creativity and spontaneity are characteristics of all great back. Is Julius great? No! But he is not a banger or a bruiser therefore he shoudl take more chances to increase his chances at big plays.

And how many more subtle hints do some of you rock heads need to figure out that Parcells basically roped Romo in against the Seahawks? How many more sublte hints does Zimmer need to drop for some of you realize that Parcells controlled the scheme that was run. How many more TDs do the Saints need to score for some of you realize Payton can put points on the board in bunches. Wake up some of you!!!!

 

[stealth]

First of all...for all you people that have a heart attack when someone is critical of Parcells....GET OVER IT!!! The results speak for themselves.

And for those who want to shake shots at my football acumen...get over it. There are PLENTY of people who HAVE PLAYED THE GAME for the COWBOYS that have made the same accusations against Parcells and how he overcoaches players. How many times was there an opportunity for JuJo to bounce a run outside and he ran up the bak of his OL. Creativity and spontaneity are characteristics of all great back. Is Julius great? No! But he is not a banger or a bruiser therefore he shoudl take more chances to increase his chances at big plays.

And how many more subtle hints do some of you rock heads need to figure out that Parcells basically roped Romo in against the Seahawks? How many more sublte hints does Zimmer need to drop for some of you realize that Parcells controlled the scheme that was run. How many more TDs do the Saints need to score for some of you realize Payton can put points on the board in bunches. Wake up some of you!!!!

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[ravidubey]

Well, now I know I don't need to take anything you say in the future seriously...

"Stevie Wonder in shoulder pads"?? How completely ridiculous can one statement be??

Perhaps the most comical thing about this post is your constant insults aimed at Parcells... it's almost like you think you know more about football than he does...

You aren't THAT silly, are you??

In his insulting way he's implying that Parcells thinks he knows more about running the football than Jones and more about QB'ing than Romo.

Parcells may understand everything about the positions and how they interact with the team and the situation, but he's never played those positions and should defer to the instincts of his players.

Sean Payton trusted Marques Colston and was rewarded for it. Bill Parcells definitely changed Julius Jones and he's in the process of changing Tony Romo. Romo, thankfully, has the "moxie" to resist.

This is why I want young, clued-in coaches. Parcells looks at Marion Barber and sees Ottis Anderson. He sees DeMarcus Ware and imagines Lawrence Taylor. He sees George Martin in Marcus Spears. That's ********-- these are all different players with differing strengths. Don't transform the players to fit the scheme, transform the scheme to fit the players and everyone will be a lot happier.

By not doing so, Parcells leaves the impression that he's a dinosaur unwilling to evolve.

 

[DipChit]

And how many more subtle hints do some of you rock heads need to figure out that Parcells basically roped Romo in against the Seahawks?

Not saying you're wrong but what evidence do you have that it wasnt necessarily a good idea?

Romo had become a pretty good lil turnover machine going into that game. More Int's than TD's the last month not to mention a bunch of fumbles. Even if it wasnt all that much his fault, the fact is it happened that way.

Just sayin it would've been easier in hindsight to say turn him loose if his last 4 games had been like that sequence mid-season from Wash-T.B where the TD/Int ratio was 9/1 and it seemed like he could do no wrong.

 

[WV Cowboy]

In his insulting way he's implying that Parcells thinks he knows more about running the football than Jones and more about QB'ing than Romo.

Parcells may understand everything about the positions and how they interact with the team and the situation, but he's never played those positions and should defer to the instincts of his players.

Sean Payton trusted Marques Colston and was rewarded for it. Bill Parcells definitely changed Julius Jones and he's in the process of changing Tony Romo. Romo, thankfully, has the "moxie" to resist.

This is why I want young, clued-in coaches. Parcells looks at Marion Barber and sees Ottis Anderson. He sees DeMarcus Ware and imagines Lawrence Taylor. He sees George Martin in Marcus Spears. That's ********-- these are all different players with differing strengths. Don't transform the players to fit the scheme, transform the scheme to fit the players and everyone will be a lot happier.

By not doing so, Parcells leaves the impression that he's a dinosaur unwilling to evolve.

Ding, ... Ding, ... Ding !