June 1 cuts

[blueblood70]

Cap credit card is almost maxed out.

And I believe I was pretty clear That's why it would have to be a big can't miss move it would be a starter game one type.. There's always away to Rob Peter and Pay Paul,

you remember when we used to use credit card checks from one new credit card to pay the other credit card now we owe on that credit card and we're young we went ahead and got another credit card and then use those checks.

It's the same thing I mean literally if they want to make a move, they will free up money to do so, and somebody will probably get cut as well.. I don't think they really have to be under the salary cap until after the final cut downs and they have to make their roster 53 plus the 10 on the practice squad and then they have to worry about the cap again..

 

[charron]

It's really not about that. They truly think they are both starting T's.

That's sad.

 

[charron]

No chance. They just re-worked his deal from one that made him cap friendly to cut and not cap friendly to keep to one that made him more cap friendly to keep but not cap friendly to cut. If they were going to cut him they wouldn't have done that.

Wasn't making a prediction. They are typically ok with grossly overpaying average players they like vs Letting the younger guys who are also average and cheap be given a shot to start.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I don’t even need to see who you’re talking about to agree, but unless Guyton is downright awful (I mean, clearly regressing and worse than he has been) or gets hurt it’s his job to lose.

If all is equal or close, he is going to get the benefit of the doubt and we all know why.

For me LT is a bigger question on this team than the entire defense that we have yet to see.

I'm referring to Taylor Decker, but yeah, LT is my one major concern for this team rn.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Unless they see somebody that is just absolutely can't miss, the cowboys wont do anything right now, after training camp breaks after the final cut downs....

This is already being talked about and then thread, we won't see the truly big needs until after last pre-season game. I mean seriously moves like this from major injury or a disappointment.

Giving the reps to the 90 they have on the roster right now, and that's something just can't miss pop up... My opinion is, They wont make a move for a while..

There have been plenty of free agents on the list that have been there before the draft they could have made a move on, to make move, they already would have IMHO

Look they are in a holding pattern.... wait and see mode

I mean, it's not like there's a lot to discuss between now and Monday. *Shrugs* so why not have a thread about this?

 

[blueblood70]

That's sad.

Of course they're both starting tackles in the NFL that is their job title at this point no one's posting them as top tier starting tackles look around the league teams all have weak spots whether it's on the offense or defensive lines or somewhere in the skill players or worse at quarterback..


You truly can't have at all I don't know where people think you can have it all right now they're trying to develop Gaitan but they did draft other tackles the last few years just like they found Bass and Hoffman.. That's what they're looking for if they find that next guy guy in her still may lose their job but we all also know that Steel is a starting right tackle that's one of the better run blocking tackles in the league How is that not a starting tackle so he's not elite level?

I get that there are some weak spots at tackle we all talk about it but there's weak spots all over other teams as well it's just in a different spot I know plenty of teams have holes along their offensive line they can't fill because you can't have five Pro Bowlers at every position It's just how it works You have to work with your weak spot sometimes and you hope that eventually they breakthrough and Clayton Adams is supposed to be the offensive line whisperer correct so maybe they're working behind the scenes to get these guys better but you act like they don't have a plan both y'all act like somehow they think they have two gems that is not what they've ever said they're just hoping to develop them..

It's not sad it is absolutely the reality of the NFL and the salary cap you're not having great players at all positions so you sacrifice some places but others you have three deep at wide receiver you have one of the better starting quarterbacks yes one of the better inside parts of your offensive line and then they just went out and tried to fix their safety and defensive tackle spot at some point you just have to understand that they can't address that right now because they don't believe a bridge guy you know a veteran tackle that comes in in just as average is so much better and and then is a progress stopper..

No one here believes they have great tackles but when you look at the rest of the team you look at the other parts of the offensive line they addressed it They will address tackle at some point but you can't fix it all and all teams have weaknesses at all positions that don't come on here and say well tackles more important tackle was important the whole offensive line is important and right now they've redeveloped the inside.

In an emergency they will move Tyler Smith back to left tackle they may move Guyton to right tackle they will play this by ear but again if Clayton Adams is so good then why is everyone worried about it he should get more out of these guys And again I said it at the beginning when they develop Bass and Hoffman, They're pretty deep along the middle aren't they Well you can't find it all at once They hope to find those types of players that tackle very soon..


How do we know that wasn't one of the draft picks from the last two years steps up we don't know that..

Guys the fact that I don't believe they're finished they will at the end of camp when they're breaking out of the last preseason game They will assess what the worst position on the team is and they will address it with a veteran it may not be a top tier guy but they will make sure they get a guy like they did with Peters and others in the past and they will find that veteran to go as a swing tackle who can start if needed..

You're in the process right now of going through that camp then all the preseason games and they can assess it again they have not finished this roster so it is not sad what's sad as fans don't understand the process or anything I just talked about above they can't fix it all at once They decided to fix the inside first even though Guyton was supposed to be a starter and Steele got paid also to be a starter it's like they ignored the position like people have inferred about other positions on this team..

 

[fivetwos]

I'm referring to Taylor Decker, but yeah, LT is my one major concern for this team rn.

Yep same. Not a great position to have such a question mark.

I’m more excited for this season than I’ve been in some time, mostly because of the new defense and the fact that we just drafted the greatest player in the league, but the LT situation kind of tempers it.

Folks can say what they like about Prescott, but if 2020 or 2024 happens, the season is over. Guyton can be average, but he can’t have one single brain fart and allow Dak to get hit by an edge guy with a full head of steam. I’ve seen the dude whiff as if he heard the wrong play call.

This FO is gonna want its ROI though, and we all know it.

 

[Sydla]

I don’t think June 1 is a thing any longer.

Teams can just make that designation now, and they should have changed the name of the rule when they changed that. I could be wrong but I think there’s a restriction on the amount of players that can be used on in a given season, so this has already happened for plenty of teams.

Anyway, no one of significance is going to hit the FA market on Monday. Everyone is under the cap as we speak.

It's still a thing, granted you don't see all this activity on June 1. As you said, they can make a designation pre-June 1 but they still have to carry the cap hit of that player until June 1. And that's the only real incentive to June 1 cuts - some additional cap relief. When the player is actually cut free is unimportant, it's the mechanics of the cap that matter.

 

[blueblood70]

I mean, it's not like there's a lot to discuss between now and Monday. *Shrugs* so why not have a thread about this?

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/wil...tial-post-june-1st-move.544860/#post-14821053

This is what I meant they're both at the very top of the first page both about the exact same subject just saying it's redundant I don't think it's big enough to need to maybe they should merge it maybe they'll have an official sticky one II don't know I'm just telling you there was already another one about the exact same subject..

 

[fivetwos]

Of course they're both starting tackles in the NFL that is their job title at this point no one's posting them as top tier starting tackles look around the league teams all have weak spots whether it's on the offense or defensive lines or somewhere in the skill players or worse at quarterback..


You truly can't have at all I don't know where people think you can have it all right now they're trying to develop Gaitan but they did draft other tackles the last few years just like they found Bass and Hoffman.. That's what they're looking for if they find that next guy guy in her still may lose their job but we all also know that Steel is a starting right tackle that's one of the better run blocking tackles in the league How is that not a starting tackle so he's not elite level?

I get that there are some weak spots at tackle we all talk about it but there's weak spots all over other teams as well it's just in a different spot I know plenty of teams have holes along their offensive line they can't fill because you can't have five Pro Bowlers at every position It's just how it works You have to work with your weak spot sometimes and you hope that eventually they breakthrough and Clayton Adams is supposed to be the offensive line whisperer correct so maybe they're working behind the scenes to get these guys better but you act like they don't have a plan both y'all act like somehow they think they have two gems that is not what they've ever said they're just hoping to develop them..

It's not sad it is absolutely the reality of the NFL and the salary cap you're not having great players at all positions so you sacrifice some places but others you have three deep at wide receiver you have one of the better starting quarterbacks yes one of the better inside parts of your offensive line and then they just went out and tried to fix their safety and defensive tackle spot at some point you just have to understand that they can't address that right now because they don't believe a bridge guy you know a veteran tackle that comes in in just as average is so much better and and then is a progress stopper..

No one here believes they have great tackles but when you look at the rest of the team you look at the other parts of the offensive line they addressed it They will address tackle at some point but you can't fix it all and all teams have weaknesses at all positions that don't come on here and say well tackles more important tackle was important the whole offensive line is important and right now they've redeveloped the inside.

In an emergency they will move Tyler Smith back to left tackle they may move Guyton to right tackle they will play this by ear but again if Clayton Adams is so good then why is everyone worried about it he should get more out of these guys And again I said it at the beginning when they develop Bass and Hoffman, They're pretty deep along the middle aren't they Well you can't find it all at once They hope to find those types of players that tackle very soon..


How do we know that wasn't one of the draft picks from the last two years steps up we don't know that..

Guys the fact that I don't believe they're finished they will at the end of camp when they're breaking out of the last preseason game They will assess what the worst position on the team is and they will address it with a veteran it may not be a top tier guy but they will make sure they get a guy like they did with Peters and others in the past and they will find that veteran to go as a swing tackle who can start if needed..

You're in the process right now of going through that camp then all the preseason games and they can assess it again they have not finished this roster so it is not sad what's sad as fans don't understand the process or anything I just talked about above they can't fix it all at once They decided to fix the inside first even though Guyton was supposed to be a starter and Steele got paid also to be a starter it's like they ignored the position like people have inferred about other positions on this team..

The best bet, and probably the most likely path to success at the position this season, is the light going on for Guyton.

He hasn’t lived up to his draft status but that’s ok. He doesn’t have to be great, just can’t be awful at that position.

This team is pretty much set for this year, but regardless of what happens next offseason ought to be the time to remake OT the way they did DT and S over the last year.

 

[blueblood70]

Yep same. Not a great position to have such a question mark.

I’m more excited for this season than I’ve been in some time, mostly because of the new defense and the fact that we just drafted the greatest player in the league, but the LT situation kind of tempers it.

Folks can say what they like about Prescott, but if 2020 or 2024 happens, the season is over. Guyton can be average, but he can’t have one single brain fart and allow Dak to get hit by an edge guy with a full head of steam. I’ve seen the dude whiff as if he heard the wrong play call.

This FO is gonna want its ROI though, and we all know it.

Anybody can get hurt at any time long as they understand where the weaknesses are I believe Prescott knows damn well that his best spot is in the middle They protect his inside from the snap so he has a little bit more time to throw but it's up to Klayton Adams and the coaching staff to make sure they bring a tight end or make sure these guys are getting help until they figure it out..

I mean we had a top three offense in the league last year even with two tackles that are questionable they have emergency plans that's why they were looking at Tyler Smith moving back to left tackle It happens the Detroit Lions are moving Penny Sewell out to left tackle to take over for this Taylor Decker guy you're talking about that happens to still be a free agent so as much as it would be nice to make a move there I believe they have a plan They saw it last year they're not blind to the problems they just can't fix it all at once they literally have made sure the center of that OL, Is shaping up to be one of the best in the league so at least on the offensive line they have 3 positions locked up for the future...

Like I said in my Last Post you can't fix it all at once you can't have Pro Bowlers at every damn position along the offensive line it doesn't work that way they're developing and continuing to work on it but you gotta hope that when they're calling these plays they know where to send the chip guy or to bring the double and maybe they ought to do that less in the center of the line and bring it outside..

That's why we need better blocking tight ends because in 2024 the tight ends were as big a problem as the tackles they all couldn't block..

I'm pretty sure they're very clear on where the weaknesses are on this team but this offense was one of the best in the league last year even with those spots and I'm sure they're working on it without extending themselves because they have already tried to fix so many positions mostly on defense this year that they're counting on the younger players or they're already paid players to improve And with Klayton Adams again is supposed to be the best in the business we're hearing these rumors he could end up a head coach somewhere well why can't he fix the two tackles?

 

[blueblood70]

The best bet, and probably the most likely path to success at the position this season, is the light going on for Guyton.

He hasn’t lived up to his draft status but that’s ok. He doesn’t have to be great, just can’t be awful at that position.

This team is pretty much set for this year, but regardless of what happens next offseason ought to be the time to remake OT the way they did DT and S over the last year.

So many teams go through this.. The copy and paste right from me asking Google who are some of the disappointing offensive lineman especially at tackle the last five years and yes he's on the list with a whole bunch of others..

This is just the tackles there are some guys they drafted very high in this NFL that are disappointing inside as well center guard it happens but they can't fix it all in one offseason they had to get the defense right so they extended themselves..

The most prominent tackle draft disappointments over the last five years include former top-ten pick Evan Neal and first-rounders Alex Leatherwood and Mekhi Becton. These highly-touted college prospects failed to solidify starting roles or maintain adequate performance levels, often falling victim to injuries and inconsistent technique.
Here are the biggest tackle busts from the 2021 to 2024 NFL Drafts:

Evan Neal (7th overall, 2022 NFL Draft - New York Giants)
Drafted out of Alabama, Neal was projected to be a cornerstone blindside protector but instead struggled immensely in pass protection. He gave up high sack numbers, suffered various injuries (including ankle and knee issues), and ultimately fell out of the starting lineup, struggling to earn playing time.

Alex Leatherwood (17th overall, 2021 NFL Draft - Las Vegas Raiders)
Leatherwood was drafted much higher than his consensus projection by Las Vegas. He had a historically rough rookie year at right tackle, allowed numerous sacks, and was moved to guard before being surprisingly waived prior to his second season. He bounced around several practice squads, including the Bears, Browns, and Chargers.

Mekhi Becton (11th overall, 2020 NFL Draft - New York Jets)
While slightly outside the traditional window, Becton remains one of the biggest tackle disappointments of recent memory. He showed flashes of dominance as a rookie but dealt with severe knee injuries that kept him off the field for nearly two full years. He eventually lost his starting job with the Jets before getting a fresh start elsewhere.

Isaiah Wilson (29th overall, 2020 NFL Draft - Tennessee Titans)
Selected late in the first round, Wilson's tenure with the Titans is viewed as one of the fastest flameouts in modern draft history. He appeared in only one game due to a combination of off-field issues, poor conditioning, and a lack of commitment, and was traded to the Dolphins and subsequently released shortly after.

Tyler Guyton (29th overall, 2024 NFL Draft - Dallas Cowboys)
Guyton struggled heavily with penalties and consistency in his first year, giving up seven sacks and being flagged for numerous infractions that resulted in a highly underwhelming rookie season

 

[fivetwos]

It's still a thing, granted you don't see all this activity on June 1. As you said, they can make a designation pre-June 1 but they still have to carry the cap hit of that player until June 1. And that's the only real incentive to June 1 cuts - some additional cap relief. When the player is actually cut free is unimportant, it's the mechanics of the cap that matter.

I’m not thoroughly up on all those rules. I remember when a flood of guys would hit the street on that date but it just doesn’t happen that way anymore. Not even close.

Just saying to not expect to get some sort of impact player out of it. Unless they are willing to overpay and part with premium picks, the team we have today is the same one that’ll be on the field in September.

 

[blueblood70]

The best bet, and probably the most likely path to success at the position this season, is the light going on for Guyton.

He hasn’t lived up to his draft status but that’s ok. He doesn’t have to be great, just can’t be awful at that position.

This team is pretty much set for this year, but regardless of what happens next offseason ought to be the time to remake OT the way they did DT and S over the last year.

I'm sure they plan to but again like I said they somehow found a way to develop guys like Bass and Hoffman and Nate Thomas and the kid they just picked up this year or someone else TBD Could be those guys not necessarily have to go into first round and pick your guys sometimes you just find them..

That kid they just got from Penn State I believe he looks like a prototypical left tackle,

The Dallas Cowboys drafted Penn State offensive tackle Drew Shelton in the fourth round (112th overall pick) of the 2026 NFL Draft, Don't say he wasn't a first rounder that he's just a project he can't workout you know how many great 4th rounders we have picked in the past that's why people are upset when they used a 4th rounder on Mingo there's a lot of really good players that pop out of the 4th most of which we remember it was Prescott but also guys like Tony Pollard and others This guy could end up being a starter what if he is the next right or left tackle?


No,

I'm not saying he's gonna turn into a starting tackle in the NFL but he's got all the tools at least I didn't pick him too high.. That is what camp and preseason games are for they're gonna see more of these guys and if they're not developing yes I'm sure they have a short list of who they can pick up as a bridge guy this year and yes they will look into drafting another but the Cowboys have drafted far too many offensive lineman in the first round in recent history and I think sometimes they need to concentrate elsewhere..

I know it's crazy but what if in 2027 Nate Thomas and Drew Shelton are the starting tackles somehow they rise up and now we don't have to worry about it I mean it does happen..

 

[fivetwos]

So many teams go through this.. The copy and paste right from me asking Google who are some of the disappointing offensive lineman especially at tackle the last five years and yes he's on the list with a whole bunch of others..

This is just the tackles there are some guys they drafted very high in this NFL that are disappointing inside as well center guard it happens but they can't fix it all in one offseason they had to get the defense right so they extended themselves..

The most prominent tackle draft disappointments over the last five years include former top-ten pick Evan Neal and first-rounders Alex Leatherwood and Mekhi Becton. These highly-touted college prospects failed to solidify starting roles or maintain adequate performance levels, often falling victim to injuries and inconsistent technique.
Here are the biggest tackle busts from the 2021 to 2024 NFL Drafts:

Evan Neal (7th overall, 2022 NFL Draft - New York Giants)
Drafted out of Alabama, Neal was projected to be a cornerstone blindside protector but instead struggled immensely in pass protection. He gave up high sack numbers, suffered various injuries (including ankle and knee issues), and ultimately fell out of the starting lineup, struggling to earn playing time.

Alex Leatherwood (17th overall, 2021 NFL Draft - Las Vegas Raiders)
Leatherwood was drafted much higher than his consensus projection by Las Vegas. He had a historically rough rookie year at right tackle, allowed numerous sacks, and was moved to guard before being surprisingly waived prior to his second season. He bounced around several practice squads, including the Bears, Browns, and Chargers.

Mekhi Becton (11th overall, 2020 NFL Draft - New York Jets)
While slightly outside the traditional window, Becton remains one of the biggest tackle disappointments of recent memory. He showed flashes of dominance as a rookie but dealt with severe knee injuries that kept him off the field for nearly two full years. He eventually lost his starting job with the Jets before getting a fresh start elsewhere.

Isaiah Wilson (29th overall, 2020 NFL Draft - Tennessee Titans)
Selected late in the first round, Wilson's tenure with the Titans is viewed as one of the fastest flameouts in modern draft history. He appeared in only one game due to a combination of off-field issues, poor conditioning, and a lack of commitment, and was traded to the Dolphins and subsequently released shortly after.

Tyler Guyton (29th overall, 2024 NFL Draft - Dallas Cowboys)
Guyton struggled heavily with penalties and consistency in his first year, giving up seven sacks and being flagged for numerous infractions that resulted in a highly underwhelming rookie season

Not sure what we are debating. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. I get that there have been far worse busts than Guyton. Im not ripping them for making a mistake. They don’t do that very often (not in the first round anyway), but the issue is having an acceptable LT for a team that has contending on its agenda.

Every position can’t be great, but if there’s no Prescott, there’s no season, and we won’t even be able to get the draft pick consolation prize.

 

[blueblood70]

Not sure what we are debating. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. I get that there have been far worse busts than Guyton. Im not ripping them for making a mistake. They don’t do that very often (not in the first round anyway), but the issue is having an acceptable LT for a team that has contending on its agenda.

Every position can’t be great, but if there’s no Prescott, there’s no season, and we won’t even be able to get the draft pick consolation prize.

Most of those teams gave their players three to four years to try to develop That's the common thread they don't get rid of them right away and some of them do other things like move them around the line they don't give up on them It's hard to give up on a first round pick a team tries everything they can do before they give up on them..

Klayton Adams is supposed to be that good that we should hope for improvement.. Or you got to trust Adams to go to tell the FO it's time to wave the white flag and turn on the red light and bench him or make big moves there.

That is my main point trust Adams that he's gonna go in and make a proper evaluation whether they can improve the guys there or move on from them and make sure they stress it clearly that they can't go into the season with these guys..

Like I said before they can shuffle it around move guy into right tackle make steal the swing tackle and then try somebody else you know like Tyler Smith back to left tackle they have moves to make if they feel that Adams can't work with these guys they will have to make a move but we'll find that out before the season starts.

 

[fivetwos]

Most of those teams gave their players three to four years to try to develop That's the common thread they don't get rid of them right away and some of them do other things like move them around the line they don't give up on them It's hard to give up on a first round pick a team tries everything they can do before they give up on them..

Klayton Adams is supposed to be that good that we should hope for improvement.. Or you got to trust Adams to go to tell the FO it's time to wave the white flag and turn on the red light and bench him or make big moves there.

That is my main point trust Adams that he's gonna go in and make a proper evaluation whether they can improve the guys there or move on from them and make sure they stress it clearly that they can't go into the season with these guys..

Like I said before they can shuffle it around move guy into right tackle make steal the swing tackle and then try somebody else you know like Tyler Smith back to left tackle they have moves to make if they feel that Adams can't work with these guys they will have to make a move but we'll find that out before the season starts.

Fully agree. We are here debating the question marks, and that position is on the list.

I wouldn’t pull the plug on Guyton at all. Yep, some guys take some time for the light to go on, and if Dallas is not going to have an LT problem this year, Guyton being better is probably the most likely path.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Yep same. Not a great position to have such a question mark.

I’m more excited for this season than I’ve been in some time, mostly because of the new defense and the fact that we just drafted the greatest player in the league, but the LT situation kind of tempers it.

Folks can say what they like about Prescott, but if 2020 or 2024 happens, the season is over. Guyton can be average, but he can’t have one single brain fart and allow Dak to get hit by an edge guy with a full head of steam. I’ve seen the dude whiff as if he heard the wrong play call.

This FO is gonna want its ROI though, and we all know it.

Especially since Dak is going to be 33 when the season starts, that's a very bad spot to have a question. I'd imagine we have the cap for a 1 year deal for Decker, and we might be able to get a comp pick afterwards if he plays well.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/wil...tial-post-june-1st-move.544860/#post-14821053

This is what I meant they're both at the very top of the first page both about the exact same subject just saying it's redundant I don't think it's big enough to need to maybe they should merge it maybe they'll have an official sticky one II don't know I'm just telling you there was already another one about the exact same subject..

I did not realize that when I posted this thread

 

[Arkyvarminter]

I think they are good enough especially if Dallas can mount a pass rush. The pass rush makes everything better. In the NFL today you really need at least 4 CBs that can play.

That's a good point and a pass rush would help alot. I think we are good at the Safety positions but who's going to play opposite side to Bland?