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The Good:

1) McBriar is a real weapon who is changing field position and leading to points. I guess I can forgive him for the botched punt last week. That punt that he put out at the 2 was one of the most incredible punts I've ever seen, and I don't normally take note of punts.

2) Our run defense is stout. Really shutting down the run.

3) TO is one of the best WRs in the game. What a great game for him and hopefully will stop the nonsense talk all week about him.

4) Crayton is one of the best #3's in the league, I said "one of" not "the". He's very good and made some tough and critical catches today.

5) We won and Philly and Wash lost. Always good.

6) We have a dynamic duo of RBs. I will say however that JJ would've had 150 yards had he bounced a few more outside instead of trying to cut it straight ahead.

7) We are a hard-hitting defense, we lit some guys up today bigtime. Must have been at least 7x I was cringing after a big hit and a Texans player was woozy.

The UGLY:
1) Vjerk kicking off, its short and sometimes ugly. I was sitting about 5 yards from his sideline kicking net and told him about it, as did some other folks nearby.

2) Demarcus Ware passrushing. Not sure he ever saw Carr's jersey number today. He got handled.

3) Once again, our ability (or more aptly, our inabilty) to cover backs out of the backfield and the short middle passes.

4) Skyler Green returning punts. Fair caught the one he had the most room on. He always caught the ball a little off-balance and never had his feet under him so when he took off running, he was already stumbling a bit.

5) once again, our kickoff coverage.

THE BAD:

1) Bledsoe was awful, again. He is locking onto one receiver. He is missing throws that he used to make easily. He is scared to death of the passrush. The Texans left TO one on one with little to no safety help time and time again which Bledsoe ignored. IMO, that situation should automatically mean a deep fly toss to TO.
Bottomline: as many have already noted here, we aren't going to the SB with Bledsoe at the helm.

2) We have no sense of ourselves on offense, no identity. We either have too many weapons, too little quality QB-play, or just flat out horrible play-calling. Are we a running team? Then why does our OL stink and our WR-corps so good? Why would we pass it on 3rd and less than 1? Are we a passing team? Then why don't we get the ball to our playmakers, TO, Glenn, and Witten more? Why willl we try to pound it 3x inside the 5? Really seems to me that the players have the same confusion and questions.
2b) I fail to understand why we don't throw at least one fade to TO every time in the redzone or ever go playaction on 2nd and goal.
2c) I know TO got 3x TDs today, but he still isn't getting the ball enough. No one can cover the guy. You pay the guy to make big plays. He will, but you have to get him the ball and give him the opportunities...(and this from someone who doesn't like him).
3) Our D is not elite. Our passrush still stinks. We still can't put players in positions for maximum success IMO. We have been great against the run but we still give up too much....at least if we want to have an elite unit. We can't touch the Bears' D yet. Our D can't carry us yet. If we could get more pressure on the QB and still keep the same pace against the rush, it would begin to approach elite. But, how many years have we said something similar and the passrush been the weakpoint? IMO, its the coaching.
4) Our coaching....plain and simple...isn't championship caliber. Our play-calling isnt very good on offense or defense. We don't blitz very well. We don't run the ball well enough to do it all the time and we don't protect well enough (at least protect the statue well enough) to throw all the time. We still don't get the ball to our best players as much as we should. We have all the talent any coach could ask for but here we sit 3-2. Meanwhile, New Orleans sits 5-1. New Orleans is utilizing some of our castoffs with great success. We made them look like a college team when we played them preseason. But now, they are one of the hottest teams in the league. Seems like we should've sent them BP and kept Payton IMO. Payton is down there making a 5-course dinner with chopped liver. Meanwhile, we're making a jello-mold with caviar. We have the talent to be one of the top 3 teams in the league and should be there. So it has to come down to one of the two most important parts of football success, QB play or coaching. JMO
 

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Interesting analysis.

Good or bad, you gave some interesting insight to what you witnessed.
 

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Thanks for your 1st hand insight. This is my analysis from my Living room point of view.

Bad news : We won't be on NFL replay because we blew them out :(

Good news : We won't be on NFL replay because we blew them out :)

Thanks goodness for TIVO !!
 

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Play calling may be tough to tell in the passing game, when Bledsoe checks down to his third reciever, it may not look like the play that was called.

I am against keeping Bledsoe as the starter, but Romo will have to develop chemistry with Terry Glenn that Bledsoe already has. Dallas does not have a chance to win a Super Bowl with Bledsoe, but Romo might.
 

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Our castoffs are all over the league. Ekuban and Meyers are doing well for Denver. And as you pointed out Fujita and Shanle (i presume) are doing well for the Saints. I really think BP doesn't want good assistants any more because of the talk that it was Belichek and Weis that were behind BP's past successes. I don't think he thought Sean Peyton was as good as he is...
 

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If you were in the stadium you should have realized as I did that the game planwas for the ball to come out quick for us and under no circumstances was bledsoe to take chances, if need be throw the ball away and play another down.

That is what he did all day, jones ran well and the defense and the special teams kept the game in check with good field position until we finally wore there small defense down.

As far as the pass rush goes. Did you watch the game closely? We left both our safeties deep almost every play and never blitzed. We never came after carr because everything was coming out on the third or 5th step because they cant protect him any longer.

The whole game plan defensively yesterday was
A. Keep carr in the pocket and dont let him scramble
B. Keep moulds and johnson's catches in front of us, nothing big or deep.
C. Make them drive the whole field and wait for them to make mistakes.

On offense it was
A. Run the ball
B. Protect the ball, no risky passes
C. Run the ball.

There is no reason to dog our defense today, saying we didnt have a pass rush that is all well and good and there were a few times we did send ware and ellis but the ball was coming out underneath and fast so that is tough. The rest of the game ware and ellis were walking out and covering wr and containing carr in the pocket.
 

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ghst187;1094030 said:
The Good:

1) McBriar is a real weapon who is changing field position and leading to points. I guess I can forgive him for the botched punt last week. That punt that he put out at the 2 was one of the most incredible punts I've ever seen, and I don't normally take note of punts.

2) Our run defense is stout. Really shutting down the run.

3) TO is one of the best WRs in the game. What a great game for him and hopefully will stop the nonsense talk all week about him.

4) Crayton is one of the best #3's in the league, I said "one of" not "the". He's very good and made some tough and critical catches today.

5) We won and Philly and Wash lost. Always good.

6) We have a dynamic duo of RBs. I will say however that JJ would've had 150 yards had he bounced a few more outside instead of trying to cut it straight ahead.

7) We are a hard-hitting defense, we lit some guys up today bigtime. Must have been at least 7x I was cringing after a big hit and a Texans player was woozy.

The UGLY:
1) Vjerk kicking off, its short and sometimes ugly. I was sitting about 5 yards from his sideline kicking net and told him about it, as did some other folks nearby.

2) Demarcus Ware passrushing. Not sure he ever saw Carr's jersey number today. He got handled.

3) Once again, our ability (or more aptly, our inabilty) to cover backs out of the backfield and the short middle passes.

4) Skyler Green returning punts. Fair caught the one he had the most room on. He always caught the ball a little off-balance and never had his feet under him so when he took off running, he was already stumbling a bit.

5) once again, our kickoff coverage.

THE BAD:

1) Bledsoe was awful, again. He is locking onto one receiver. He is missing throws that he used to make easily. He is scared to death of the passrush. The Texans left TO one on one with little to no safety help time and time again which Bledsoe ignored. IMO, that situation should automatically mean a deep fly toss to TO.
Bottomline: as many have already noted here, we aren't going to the SB with Bledsoe at the helm.

2) We have no sense of ourselves on offense, no identity. We either have too many weapons, too little quality QB-play, or just flat out horrible play-calling. Are we a running team? Then why does our OL stink and our WR-corps so good? Why would we pass it on 3rd and less than 1? Are we a passing team? Then why don't we get the ball to our playmakers, TO, Glenn, and Witten more? Why willl we try to pound it 3x inside the 5? Really seems to me that the players have the same confusion and questions.
2b) I fail to understand why we don't throw at least one fade to TO every time in the redzone or ever go playaction on 2nd and goal.
2c) I know TO got 3x TDs today, but he still isn't getting the ball enough. No one can cover the guy. You pay the guy to make big plays. He will, but you have to get him the ball and give him the opportunities...(and this from someone who doesn't like him).
3) Our D is not elite. Our passrush still stinks. We still can't put players in positions for maximum success IMO. We have been great against the run but we still give up too much....at least if we want to have an elite unit. We can't touch the Bears' D yet. Our D can't carry us yet. If we could get more pressure on the QB and still keep the same pace against the rush, it would begin to approach elite. But, how many years have we said something similar and the passrush been the weakpoint? IMO, its the coaching.
4) Our coaching....plain and simple...isn't championship caliber. Our play-calling isnt very good on offense or defense. We don't blitz very well. We don't run the ball well enough to do it all the time and we don't protect well enough (at least protect the statue well enough) to throw all the time. We still don't get the ball to our best players as much as we should. We have all the talent any coach could ask for but here we sit 3-2. Meanwhile, New Orleans sits 5-1. New Orleans is utilizing some of our castoffs with great success. We made them look like a college team when we played them preseason. But now, they are one of the hottest teams in the league. Seems like we should've sent them BP and kept Payton IMO. Payton is down there making a 5-course dinner with chopped liver. Meanwhile, we're making a jello-mold with caviar. We have the talent to be one of the top 3 teams in the league and should be there. So it has to come down to one of the two most important parts of football success, QB play or coaching. JMO

good post...agree 100%

David
 

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2) We have no sense of ourselves on offense, no identity. We either have too many weapons, too little quality QB-play, or just flat out horrible play-calling. Are we a running team? Then why does our OL stink and our WR-corps so good? Why would we pass it on 3rd and less than 1? Are we a passing team? Then why don't we get the ball to our playmakers, TO, Glenn, and Witten more? Why willl we try to pound it 3x inside the 5? Really seems to me that the players have the same confusion and questions.
2b) I fail to understand why we don't throw at least one fade to TO every time in the redzone or ever go playaction on 2nd and goal.
2c) I know TO got 3x TDs today, but he still isn't getting the ball enough. No one can cover the guy. You pay the guy to make big plays. He will, but you have to get him the ball and give him the opportunities...(and this from someone who doesn't like him).
I so agree with this. I still don't know what to expect from this team. It looks like we don't know exactly what we want to do. Too many weapons and you want to keep everyone happy.
 

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theebs;1094081 said:
If you were in the stadium you should have realized as I did that the game planwas for the ball to come out quick for us and under no circumstances was bledsoe to take chances, if need be throw the ball away and play another down.

That is what he did all day, jones ran well and the defense and the special teams kept the game in check with good field position until we finally wore there small defense down.

As far as the pass rush goes. Did you watch the game closely? We left both our safeties deep almost every play and never blitzed. We never came after carr because everything was coming out on the third or 5th step because they cant protect him any longer.

The whole game plan defensively yesterday was
A. Keep carr in the pocket and dont let him scramble
B. Keep moulds and johnson's catches in front of us, nothing big or deep.
C. Make them drive the whole field and wait for them to make mistakes.

On offense it was
A. Run the ball
B. Protect the ball, no risky passes
C. Run the ball.

There is no reason to dog our defense today, saying we didnt have a pass rush that is all well and good and there were a few times we did send ware and ellis but the ball was coming out underneath and fast so that is tough. The rest of the game ware and ellis were walking out and covering wr and containing carr in the pocket.


That is exactly how I saw the defensive plan. Contain another mobile QB from running around and creating big plays. Dallas did that very well. I was very pleased with their performance yesterday. They shut down a team that they should shut down.

Do I think Dallas is a great, dominant defense? No, not at all. I do think they are very good and one of the better units in the league.

I think what they lack is a push from the middle. That is what elite defenses tend to have when they are successful. Not necessarily a guy on the interior of the line that gets lots of sacks, but a force that pushes the pocket back. Chicago has that in Tommie Harris. Dallas does not have that. Partially it is the 3-4 scheme and partially it is the guys they have on the interior. They don't need it to win or be a great defense. If they had it, they would become dominant.
 

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theebs;1094081 said:
As far as the pass rush goes. Did you watch the game closely? We left both our safeties deep almost every play and never blitzed. We never came after carr because everything was coming out on the third or 5th step because they cant protect him any longer.

The whole game plan defensively yesterday was
A. Keep carr in the pocket and dont let him scramble
B. Keep moulds and johnson's catches in front of us, nothing big or deep.
C. Make them drive the whole field and wait for them to make mistakes.
I would agree with your offensive analysis.

But your defensive analysis makes no sense. Carr isn't much more of a mobile threat than Bledsoe. His arm is what he's got going for him. At some point, we as fans have to admit that either our passrushers aren't very good, or that our defensive coaches don't have a clue about how to get pressure. I think it's the coaches.
 

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Double Trouble;1094129 said:
I would agree with your offensive analysis.

But your defensive analysis makes no sense. Carr isn't much more of a mobile threat than Bledsoe. His arm is what he's got going for him. At some point, we as fans have to admit that either our passrushers aren't very good, or that our defensive coaches don't have a clue about how to get pressure. I think it's the coaches.

Coming into the game, Carr had rushed for 229 times in his career for 1070 yards and 7 TDs in 64 games. He was 2nd to Vick last year in rushing from the QB position.

Bledsoe in his career had rushed 384 times for 763 yards and 9 TDs in 192 games.

Carr is a mobile QB. True his team is not good at protecting him and he usually ends up on his back, but the Texans game plan was to just get rid of the ball quickly. They used a lot of short drops from the QB and quick passes that will nullify most pass rushes.
 

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Double Trouble;1094129 said:
I would agree with your offensive analysis.

But your defensive analysis makes no sense. Carr isn't much more of a mobile threat than Bledsoe. His arm is what he's got going for him. At some point, we as fans have to admit that either our passrushers aren't very good, or that our defensive coaches don't have a clue about how to get pressure. I think it's the coaches.


whatever you say bro, but if you are going to leave your safeties deep and give them the underneath stuff that will create third and short, had they gone crazy and come after him more times than not he would have had running lanes.

Sitting in the stadium we could tell right away they just were not going to let him run for first downs or give up big plays.

If you think I am saying carr is randall cunningham well then your not understanding me anyway, but he is a guy who can do enough to move the chains when running and they did a good job of always having a linebacker in those running lanes yesterday.
 

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Bledsoe is having trouble finding the guy to go to with the ball.

TO makes great adjustments to the ball, that 2nd TD catch was a beauty.

The run game is solid. Its nice to be able to bring barber in on certain situations or to give jones a break, he's a real physical runner.

Still, the playcalling for a lot of the game seemed awful to me. Watched a lot of the saints - eagles game, was reminded of parcells comments about needing to pull the reigns in on payton from time to time. Hmmm....he seems to be doing just fine calling offensive plays down in NO. Called a great game against the eagles yesterday.
 

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ghst187;1094030 said:
4) Our coaching....plain and simple...isn't championship caliber. Our play-calling isnt very good on offense or defense. We don't blitz very well. We don't run the ball well enough to do it all the time and we don't protect well enough (at least protect the statue well enough) to throw all the time. We still don't get the ball to our best players as much as we should. We have all the talent any coach could ask for but here we sit 3-2. Meanwhile, New Orleans sits 5-1. New Orleans is utilizing some of our castoffs with great success. We made them look like a college team when we played them preseason. But now, they are one of the hottest teams in the league. Seems like we should've sent them BP and kept Payton IMO. Payton is down there making a 5-course dinner with chopped liver. Meanwhile, we're making a jello-mold with caviar. We have the talent to be one of the top 3 teams in the league and should be there. So it has to come down to one of the two most important parts of football success, QB play or coaching. JMO
it's a long season.... good post overall but your ending was abysmal. gimme this schedule and/or a QB without many turnovers in the only tough games we played and we'd be sitting pretty today too (they haven't beaten a tough team on the road either and had some patsies)...
Sun 9/10 at Cleveland W 19-14
Sun 9/17 at Green Bay W 34-27
Mon 9/25 Atlanta W 23-3
Sun 10/1 at Carolina L 18-21
Sun 10/8 Tampa Bay W 24-21
Sun 10/15 Philadelphia W 27-24
 

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I would agree with you in a lot of respects, but honestly our offense is still like in preseason, FLo and TO did not play until the season began, I thought the play calling was much better, that last td with Owens in motion, that was real offensive imagination, nobody came close to him. I agree with you about the fade, I would run that three times each time its goal line, its like Keyshawn last year, he's so big and strong they can't stop it..
 

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joseephuss;1094130 said:
Coming into the game, Carr had rushed for 229 times in his career for 1070 yards and 7 TDs in 64 games. He was 2nd to Vick last year in rushing from the QB position.

Bledsoe in his career had rushed 384 times for 763 yards and 9 TDs in 192 games.

Carr is a mobile QB. True his team is not good at protecting him and he usually ends up on his back, but the Texans game plan was to just get rid of the ball quickly. They used a lot of short drops from the QB and quick passes that will nullify most pass rushes.
So the gameplan is to be more concerned about Carr's 15 yards per game rushing than his passing?

Elite defenses are dominant because they can rush the passer. We can't. And if they're gameplanning to contain guys like David Carr, the coaching situation is even worse than I thought. Unless the QB is Michael Vick, the gameplan should be to hit the QB early and often.
 

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Double Trouble;1094229 said:
So the gameplan is to be more concerned about Carr's 15 yards per game rushing than his passing?

Elite defenses are dominant because they can rush the passer. We can't. And if they're gameplanning to contain guys like David Carr, the coaching situation is even worse than I thought. Unless the QB is Michael Vick, the gameplan should be to hit the QB early and often.



dude look closer at carrs numbers, they are all in garbage time, the second half of blowouts.
 

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ghst187;1094030 said:
The UGLY:
1) Vjerk kicking off, its short and sometimes ugly. I was sitting about 5 yards from his sideline kicking net and told him about it, as did some other folks nearby.

Do you think heckling(sounds like thats what you were doing) a key player on your team who depends mostly on self confidence to do his job is really the most constructive course of action?
 

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theebs;1094246 said:
dude look closer at carrs numbers, they are all in garbage time, the second half of blowouts.
His arm is still better than his feet. What you are suggesting is that our defensive gameplan was centered around stopping Carr from getting one first down per game with his legs.

Look at his running #s. It's just not a factor.

Mike Zimmer has been given everything imaginable to make this passrush work, and he still can't. This franchise will be back in the toilet if he is Parcells' successor.
 

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Double Trouble;1094229 said:
So the gameplan is to be more concerned about Carr's 15 yards per game rushing than his passing?

Elite defenses are dominant because they can rush the passer. We can't. And if they're gameplanning to contain guys like David Carr, the coaching situation is even worse than I thought. Unless the QB is Michael Vick, the gameplan should be to hit the QB early and often.

No, the game plan was to contain him and not give up the big play. That is either rushing or passing. Kubiak likes roll outs and boot legs that can lead to down field passes. Dallas concentrated on not giving up long passes and cheap TDs by letting the receivers get behind them.
 
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