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[SteveTheCowboy]

Fans arguing on behalf of the Conspiracy Theories have used Wrestling as a comparison in this thread.

And until there is evidence of organized corruption in officiating or an individual just hating on a team manipulating results then those opinions are pure unsubstantiated accusations and fake news if presented as anything else.

Arguing there isn’t evidence to support corruption in officiating isn’t an opinion. It’s fact until proven otherwise.

And arguing the NFL is immune to every human fault in the history of humans...is just stupidly stupid.

What human endeavor is perfect....like you are stupidly trying to say NFL is.

Nothing...NFL ain't either. Sorry...admit you have been duped.....it will go easier in the end.

Note...I never said it was only against cowboys. I am saying the NFL is as corrupt as all humans are.

I like some humans and distrust humanity.

 

[RonnieT24]

Fans arguing on behalf of the Conspiracy Theories have used Wrestling as a comparison in this thread.

And until there is evidence of organized corruption in officiating or an individual just hating on a team manipulating results then those opinions are pure unsubstantiated accusations and fake news if presented as anything else.

Arguing there isn’t evidence to support corruption in officiating isn’t an opinion. It’s fact until proven otherwise.

No one has mentioned conspiracy except the people arguing that the NFL is pure as driven snow. I am fine if people want to believe that. I don't.. and never will.. Neither will the people in New Orleans who had a Super Bowl trip stolen from them on one of the most obvious PIs you will ever see, nor the people in Houston who had a trip to the Super Bowl stolen from them on Mike Renfro's non-catch. Nor will the Raiders who lost a playoff game and a possible trip to the Super Bowl on a technicality no one had ever heard of.. The NFL has screwed many a fan base over the years. Like I said, people see what they wanna see and disregard that which they don't. Enjoy..

 

[Diehardblues]

And arguing the NFL is immune to every human fault in the history of humans...is just stupidly stupid.

What human endeavor is perfect....like you are stupidly trying to say NFL is.

Nothing...NFL ain't either. Sorry...admit you have been duped.....it will go easier in the end.

Note...I never said it was only against cowboys. I am saying the NFL is as corrupt as all humans are.

I like some humans and distrust humanity.

I was arguing about organized corruption in officiating not the entire leagues business .

 

[Diehardblues]

No one has mentioned conspiracy except the people arguing that the NFL is pure as driven snow. I am fine if people want to believe that. I don't.. and never will.. Neither will the people in New Orleans who had a Super Bowl trip stolen from them on one of the most obvious PIs you will ever see, nor the people in Houston who had a trip to the Super Bowl stolen from them on Mike Renfro's non-catch. Nor will the Raiders who lost a playoff game and a possible trip to the Super Bowl on a technicality no one had ever heard of.. The NFL has screwed many a fan base over the years. Like I said, people see what they wanna see and disregard that which they don't. Enjoy..

They can believe whatever they want but poor and inconsistency in officiating isn’t proven corruption.

Instead it was considered human error and why Instant Replay was implemented to correct some of the costly errors. There was no guarantee it would prevent all errors nor deliver a perfect result.

It’s mostly sour grapes from fans. Poor officiating has always been part of the game. Any game including balls and strikes along with being fouled at the basket.

Judgement calls are always going to be controversial and part of the game.

 

[RonnieT24]

I was arguing about organized corruption in officiating not the entire leagues business .

But I don't think anyone has asserted that there has been any "organized corruption in officiating." I myself firmly believe there doesn't have to be. Especially not when it comes to the Cowboys. Cowboys hate happens organically.. no conspiracy needed. Even if it's only subconscious, it's folly to assume that referees are immune to human nature. We all see the world through the prism of our own experiences. So a ref who grew up in Philly doesn't have to consciously plan to screw the Cowboys.. He can look at the same play where a DB mugs CeeDee Lamb and legitimately think to himself "looked like good coverage." Or he could watch a tackle hip toss Parsons and see "but he didn't grab him so it's okay." We see examples of this every week in every game. Which one of us has not watched a play and wondered what game the announcers are watching as they "analyze" a play? That announcer isn't being paid extra to slant his takes one way or the other.. yet they almost always do.. Why do you suppose that is? Could his own internal biases be coloring what he sees? And if you agree that this (bias) is a basic component of the human condition please help me understand what pills the officials take so they are not subject to it...

 

[VaqueroTD]

Someone needs to tell the NFL Illuminati to do a better job then deciding the game for NFL money, because the Cowboys who continue to break viewing and merchandise records haven’t earned any favors to take them back to the Super Bowl in 30 years.

 

[Diehardblues]

But I don't think anyone has asserted that there has been any "organized corruption in officiating." I myself firmly believe there doesn't have to be. Especially not when it comes to the Cowboys. Cowboys hate happens organically.. no conspiracy needed. Even if it's only subconscious, it's folly to assume that referees are immune to human nature. We all see the world through the prism of our own experiences. So a ref who grew up in Philly doesn't have to consciously plan to screw the Cowboys.. He can look at the same play where a DB mugs CeeDee Lamb and legitimately think to himself "looked like good coverage." Or he could watch a tackle hip toss Parsons and see "but he didn't grab him so it's okay." We see examples of this every week in every game. Which one of us has not watched a play and wondered what game the announcers are watching as they "analyze" a play? That announcer isn't being paid extra to slant his takes one way or the other.. yet they almost always do.. Why do you suppose that is? Could his own internal biases be coloring what he sees? And if you agree that this (bias) is a basic component of the human condition please help me understand what pills the officials take so they are not subject to it...

You need to read thru all of the post. There were some suggesting as such.

There were some who thought it was just Cowboys hate which aren’t even worthy of responding to. Total Homer sour grapes. Lol

 

[Gonzomandela01]

I knew Maher could not missed that FG!

 

[Momanpr100]

No one has mentioned conspiracy except the people arguing that the NFL is pure as driven snow. I am fine if people want to believe that. I don't.. and never will.. Neither will the people in New Orleans who had a Super Bowl trip stolen from them on one of the most obvious PIs you will ever see, nor the people in Houston who had a trip to the Super Bowl stolen from them on Mike Renfro's non-catch. Nor will the Raiders who lost a playoff game and a possible trip to the Super Bowl on a technicality no one had ever heard of.. The NFL has screwed many a fan base over the years. Like I said, people see what they wanna see and disregard that which they don't. Enjoy..

People with small minds use the word conspiracy

 

[Blackrain]

Did you not see the ATL receiver who got suspended a year for betting on games? And I repeat.. I don't think there needs to be any league-wide deal going on. A handful could make it happen without trying that hard. And frankly there is ample evidence that some crap is going on every summer but we are SO married to the belief that everything has to be on the up and up that we refuse to believe our own eyes.

This is true we really don't want to believe it we grew up with it being pure there were blowouts all the time.

Now it seems like every primetime game is kept close going into halftime but we still don't want to believe we complain about the bad officiating.

We are in denial. In today's day and age with all the technology and electronic equipment Heck we can see whats on other planets You mean to tell me we can't quickly tell if someone's in or out of bounds if somebody's being held or not or interfered with.

It's totally ridiculous there should never be a bad call with all the angles that you can view stuff from and zoom in whenever they want to to show something.
Then when they make some questionable call to manipulate the game you either don't get to see it at all or they give you some view that looks like it's out of a 1960s broadcast.

 

[mperfection]

So why haven't the Cowboys been in a superbowl for 20 plus years? If they were looking to fix games and control the narrative, and maximize ratings why not put the most popular team in at least once every 10 years?

Answer: Because it’s hard to compensate for overt team mismanagement, which the Cowboys front office has shown repeatedly over the past 20+ years. See the Cleveland Browns, one of the most storied franchises in the NFL, for instance…

 

[doomsday9084]

https://www.eldo.co/nfl-margins-of-victory-in-four-charts.html

That graph hasn't been updated since 2016 but I haven't found a new one. The TLDR is that the average margin of victory was stable for decades but started falling in 2010.

I would like to see an updated version of this. It would be some statistical evidence of the point being made by the OP that the NFL is shading games closer. There may be some alternative explanations but some statistics are better than feelings and vague accusations.

 

[Streifenkarl]

No one has mentioned conspiracy except the people arguing that the NFL is pure as driven snow. I am fine if people want to believe that. I don't.. and never will.. Neither will the people in New Orleans who had a Super Bowl trip stolen from them on one of the most obvious PIs you will ever see, nor the people in Houston who had a trip to the Super Bowl stolen from them on Mike Renfro's non-catch. Nor will the Raiders who lost a playoff game and a possible trip to the Super Bowl on a technicality no one had ever heard of.. The NFL has screwed many a fan base over the years. Like I said, people see what they wanna see and disregard that which they don't. Enjoy..

Sorry, but now you're backtracking without trying to back track.

Yes, you guys HAVE put up conspiracy theories. The things you describe ARE conspiracy theories by their very definition. And like in so many other fields, politics, 9/11, moonlanding etc they are of course "only opinions". Only too bad that they are voiced as if they were facts.

 

[stinkface]

I truly think when the NFL went all in on betting that the game changed. Obviously the only reason they went all in was because of massive amounts of money being bet on the sport. Even my wife who is at the most a casual fan said "That's plain wrong". What made the NFL special and a kids game played by adults turned a tad ugly and ungodly self centered and that was only due to the almighty dollar. Greed is a real thing and its certainly penetrated the NFL in a big way and they absolutely put their arms around it and hugged it tight.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Fans arguing on behalf of the Conspiracy Theories have used Wrestling as a comparison in this thread.

And until there is evidence of organized corruption in officiating or an individual just hating on a team manipulating results then those opinions are pure unsubstantiated accusations and fake news if presented as anything else.

Arguing there isn’t evidence to support corruption in officiating isn’t an opinion. It’s fact until proven otherwise.

And I do not like that comparison. It's an easy item, and cheapens the discussion.

A better comparison MIGHT be...MIGHT!....boxing.

"find proof". Like the NFL is gonna tell on itself? Congress gonna investigate?

For the record, I am not advocating outright widespread top to bottom "corruption".

But I do believe the NFL is subject to every human fault all other endeavors have...including favoritism.

 

[sandbridge77]

Is the parity in the league this year by design/ownership manipulation or the result of the talent level of each team?

Does the league make more money with a bunch of .500 teams or with clear lines between the good teams and the bad teams.

Would not the league make more money with an undefeated team for all or most of the season to generate more interest from the fans from weaker teams which would equal higher ratings?

If someone is writing the scripts I’m not sure they are doing a great job.

 

[Starforever]

Players have stated such themselves; there are times when games are manipulated to acquire a certain outcome. Regular season, playoffs, and championships; not conspiracies but reality in entertainment.

 

[RonnieT24]

Sorry, but now you're backtracking without trying to back track.

Yes, you guys HAVE put up conspiracy theories. The things you describe ARE conspiracy theories by their very definition. And like in so many other fields, politics, 9/11, moonlanding etc they are of course "only opinions". Only too bad that they are voiced as if they were facts.

By YOUR definition. Are you arguing that anytime more than a few people do the same thing it has to be a conspiracy? Do 100 people conspire to sit in the drive through at Starbucks in the morning? Do they hold a Zoom meeting to determine when they all should show up at Chick-Fil-A? If you drove to work this morning you passed a thousand people doing the same thing. What time did yall get together to decide to get on the road at the same time? Groups of people do the same thing a million times a day without ever uttering a word of cooperation. YOU wanna call it conspiracy. I call it the human condition. And until the refs are replaced by robots. They're just as susceptible to it as any of us. People are in denial about the whole thing. Roger Goodell doesn't have to order refs to screw the Cowboys or the Raiders.. All he has to do is use certain language in his off season meetings with the refs to plant the seed. Are you going to now claim that you believe Roger Goodell to be 100% honorable now?

Do you think it's coincidence that the owner of Roger's childhood team has been doing all manner of shady sh$%t for two decades without any real repercussions until this past year? From forcing the cheerleaders to act as escorts for his rich cronies to selling admission to their photo shoots to rich season ticket holders. Going so far as allowing them to peep in on the girls changing their clothes. Yet only after years of FEDERAL investigation does the league do anything to him. You think Honest Roger didn't protect his arse. Just like he protected Kraft by ordering the Spygate recordings to be destroyed? Then the same guy who suspended Zeke for 6 games for allegations against him from when he was in college that were dismissed not only by police but by his own investigator looked the other way while Kraft got himself tangled up in what turned out to be a sex-trafficking outfit running his favorite "massage parlor?" Such an honorable dude.. How can we suspect him of any bias? Right?

 

[kskboys]

They can believe whatever they want but poor and inconsistency in officiating isn’t proven corruption.

Instead it was considered human error and why Instant Replay was implemented to correct some of the costly errors. There was no guarantee it would prevent all errors nor deliver a perfect result.

It’s mostly sour grapes from fans. Poor officiating has always been part of the game. Any game including balls and strikes along with being fouled at the basket.

Judgement calls are always going to be controversial and part of the game.

The NO/MINNY noncall is very clear evidence. You gotta be blind not to see it!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

Is the parity in the league this year by design/ownership manipulation or the result of the talent level of each team?

Does the league make more money with a bunch of .500 teams or with clear lines between the good teams and the bad teams.

Would not the league make more money with an undefeated team for all or most of the season to generate more interest from the fans from weaker teams which would equal higher ratings?

If someone is writing the scripts I’m not sure they are doing a great job.

Do teams who are up 2 scores suddenly forget to block w/o holding when trying to go up by 3 scores?