Just Draft Zeke!

[erod]

And as said, salary is largely meaningless, it's the guaranteed money that matters. And Elliott would be Top 5 (actually he might be Top 3) in guaranteed money for a TB. So no, he's not a bargain for an elite back. He's being paid exactly like an elite back if picked at #4.

Not sure I want to pay a safety that either.................... frankly, I think the wise move is trade the pick.

So you think guaranteed money is the same risk for a 28-year-old RB as it is for a 20 year-old RB?

And I get bored with salary talk anyway because the salary cap is a complete myth. Any team can sign any player they want with some cap manipulation. It's a built-in excuse for owners to explain why they don't want to lessen their obscene profits.

 

[Sydla]

So you think guaranteed money is the same risk for a 28-year-old RB as it is for a 20 year-old RB?

And I get bored with salary talk anyway because the salary cap is a complete myth. Any team can sign any player they want with some cap manipulation. It's a built-in excuse for owners to explain why they don't want to lessen their obscene profits.

I think the guaranteed money for a TB is a risk at any age as the stats show that the position that gets injured the most is the RB position. And let's note that a guy like Miller wasn't 28 years old. He was 25 and had little wear and tear on his body and $14MM was deemed too much by this front office to spend on a TB.

And your 2nd paragraph is bizarre, especially as it pertains to the Cowboys who often spend a majority of their cap space year after year.

I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. I don't believe this team has to have an elite TB to have a great running game. I believe people like yourself overestimate the effect Elliott will have both in the short term and long term on the defense, a defense that needs a serious talent infusion to even think about making a SB run. The more you waste high picks on positions that have a law of diminishing return, the further you kick that can down the road.

They should trade the pick and acquire more picks. It's the smartest move IMO.

 

[erod]

I think the guaranteed money for a TB is a risk at any age as the stats show that the position that gets injured the most is the RB position. And let's note that a guy like Miller wasn't 28 years old. He was 25 and had little wear and tear on his body and $14MM was deemed too much by this front office to spend on a TB.

And your 2nd paragraph is bizarre, especially as it pertains to the Cowboys who often spend a majority of their cap space year after year.

I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. I don't believe this team has to have an elite TB to have a great running game. I believe people like yourself overestimate the effect Elliott will have both in the short term and long term on the defense, a defense that needs a serious talent infusion to even think about making a SB run. The more you waste high picks on positions that have a law of diminishing return, the further you kick that can down the road.

They should trade the pick and acquire more picks. It's the smartest move IMO.

I would agree about trading the pick, but I think this is different. This o-line needs its Emmitt. Romo needs it, too.

How many fewer hits will Romo take if we have a back that can FINISH a perfectly blocked run? That has been the problem here forever. Too many backs get 5 when there was 15 to be had, or they get 30 when 80 yards and a touchdown was there. That just means more snaps and more hits for everybody, especially Romo.

Think about it. Take last year's team and add Romo, Dez, Elliott, Scandrick, Thornton, and a couple of defensive players with the 2nd and 3rd pick. Don't forget a more seasoned Collins, Jones, Gregory, Lawrence, Brice, and then who knows what Mayowa might bring. Still time for another addition or two.

This is not about just adding a few draft picks. This roster was gutted last year at the most crucial spots.

 

[Sydla]

I would agree about trading the pick, but I think this is different. This o-line needs its Emmitt. Romo needs it, too.

How many fewer hits will Romo take if we have a back that can FINISH a perfectly blocked run? That has been the problem here forever. Too many backs get 5 when there was 15 to be had, or they get 30 when 80 yards and a touchdown was there. That just means more snaps and more hits for everybody, especially Romo.

Think about it. Take last year's team and add Romo, Dez, Elliott, Scandrick, Thornton, and a couple of defensive players with the 2nd and 3rd pick. Don't forget a more seasoned Collins, Jones, Gregory, Lawrence, Brice, and then who knows what Mayowa might bring. Still time for another addition or two.

This is not about just adding a few draft picks. This roster was gutted last year at the most crucial spots.

We don't agree. This OL doesn't "need" anyone. They built this OL with the precise reasoning that in a salary cap age they then wouldn't have to spend a lot on the running back position, a position they have stated numerous times is a position with a high injury risk.

They are wasting the 4th pick on a TB. I am sure Elliott would do just fine behind this OL but I am convinced that as long as the Cowboys have a functional QB that makes defenses respect the pass, you can get a Top 5 running game from a non-Top 5 TB.

You guys completely overvalue the effect Elliott would have and completely over-exaggerate that Romo will be completely healthy as long as he has Elliott by his side.

Even with the guys you list, this defense needs talent. And using the 4th pick on a TB is just a waste of that pick but also previous picks. This OL is so great they don't need an elite TB. This is akin to building a hurricane proof house in Florida with twice the thickness of concrete walls required by code and then deciding, shoot, let's triple it. Unnecessary and a waste.

 

[erod]

We don't agree. This OL doesn't "need" anyone. They built this OL with the precise reasoning that in a salary cap age they then wouldn't have to spend a lot on the running back position, a position they have stated numerous times is a position with a high injury risk.

They are wasting the 4th pick on a TB. I am sure Elliott would do just fine behind this OL but I am convinced that as long as the Cowboys have a functional QB that makes defenses respect the pass, you can get a Top 5 running game from a non-Top 5 TB.

You guys completely overvalue the effect Elliott would have and completely over-exaggerate that Romo will be completely healthy as long as he has Elliott by his side.

Even with the guys you list, this defense needs talent. And using the 4th pick on a TB is just a waste of that pick but also previous picks. This OL is so great they don't need an elite TB. This is akin to building a hurricane proof house in Florida with twice the thickness of concrete walls required by code and then deciding, shoot, let's triple it. Unnecessary and a waste.

Until this defense adds at least one elite pass rusher, the effect will be almost nil no matter what defensive guys you take. Bosa isn't that, I don't think.

And you bring up another great reason to draft Elliott. Guys built like him are much less injured than the taller and slimmer RBs. Elliott is built like Emmitt, Sanders, Rice, Lynch, Thomas....they don't usually get hurt as much as others.

And McFadden is an injury waiting to happen like Dunbar. You want to go with just Morris?

Elliott, Morris, and McFadden would be an excellent trio.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Seriously, we all know there's no chance in hell to win a SB without Romo, period.

That's not debatable..

Why not replicate 2014, with all the associated benefits (besides Murray Fumbling in GB while running through a lane wide enough for a semi), rather than taking it to the house like Zeke would...

Zeke is an automatic upgrade in every facet of the rub game and for the entire team.

First, he'd protect Romo better than anyone else, which as was stated, without Romo there will be no SB.

Second, Zeke plus our current line is about 50 times better than what we had in 2014.

3rd, Bosa, Ramsey, and Tunsil might be great, but in no way could they push us over the top like Zeke very well might....

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Take Zeke, then trade up for Shaq or Spence, then grab an actual CB in the third...

How awesome would it be to see Zeke leading the league in rushing, while we watch a ridiculous running attack that might never be replicated again...

It's Emmitt 2.0.

How'd we do without Emmitt?

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[DandyDon52]

let's see, so Murray got $2 million per fumble.....Elliott gets $25 million for not fumbling 6 times...but could result in 6 TDs.....yeah, give me Elliott for $25 mil....

lol you people forget murray had like 430 touches and only 6 fumbles.
if elliot has that many he may have 6 or more too.

 

[Sydla]

Until this defense adds at least one elite pass rusher, the effect will be almost nil no matter what defensive guys you take. Bosa isn't that, I don't think.

And you bring up another great reason to draft Elliott. Guys built like him are much less injured than the taller and slimmer RBs. Elliott is built like Emmitt, Sanders, Rice, Lynch, Thomas....they don't usually get hurt as much as others.

And McFadden is an injury waiting to happen like Dunbar. You want to go with just Morris?

Elliott, Morris, and McFadden would be an excellent trio.

McFadden, Morris and a 3rd round or 4th round TB with then possibly a trade of 4 and adding a few more players like a Spence or Lawson would be better.

I can get an elite running game with those three and then have a couple of extra picks to add to the roster from the first three rounds.

 

[erod]

McFadden, Morris and a 3rd round or 4th round TB with then possibly a trade of 4 and adding a few more players like a Spence or Lawson would be better.

That's three RBs that aren't remotely as good as Elliott, but it's one way to do it.

I want a true bell cow. Maybe there's one in the 3rd round, but I doubt it.

 

[mattjames2010]

 

[tyke1doe]

Aren't you all just excited about the draft?

 

[Sydla]

That's three RBs that aren't remotely as good as Elliott, but it's one way to do it.

I want a true bell cow. Maybe there's one in the 3rd round, but I doubt it.

I don't need a TB as good as you think Elliott will be (which is probably higher than Elliott will actually be as a rookie).

That's the point.

 

[GroundZero1970]

By the time it comes to pay Zeke a new contract old man Romo will be gone along wiht his 25 million dollar contract......ZEKE ZEKE ZEKE.... OK I'm done lol

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Aren't you all just excited about the draft?

yes. we got the 4 pickle!!! when was the last time we drafted 4 or above?

 

[Moderately_Askew]

That's three RBs that aren't remotely as good as Elliott, but it's one way to do it.

I want a true bell cow. Maybe there's one in the 3rd round, but I doubt it.

Here is the problem with your argument,you are assuming Zeke is going to be an all pro RB. You and the OP are hinging on his college skills translating to the pros, McFadden sure looked like a can't miss opportunity coming out of college.. There have been numerous RB busts just in the last 5 years.

I am not arguing for or against Zeke, just explaining why your argument is not very persuasive.

 

[jazzcat22]

lol you people forget murray had like 430 touches and only 6 fumbles.
if elliot has that many he may have 6 or more too.

No, I didn't forget....don't assume what one forgets or not. The fact is, he did fumble...and at key times, very key times. Like when it was just tapped at GB, and that was more of a difference than the non Dez catch.
Elliot, though in college, did not fumble. But the fact is. He did not fumble.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Until this defense adds at least one elite pass rusher, the effect will be almost nil no matter what defensive guys you take. Bosa isn't that, I don't think.

And you bring up another great reason to draft Elliott. Guys built like him are much less injured than the taller and slimmer RBs. Elliott is built like Emmitt, Sanders, Rice, Lynch, Thomas....they don't usually get hurt as much as others.

And McFadden is an injury waiting to happen like Dunbar. You want to go with just Morris?

Elliott, Morris, and McFadden would be an excellent trio.

No. Elliott is not built like Emmitt or Sanders or Thomas or any of those guys. He is much taller then they were. Elliott is 6' 225 lbs. Barry was 5'8" 205, Emmitt was 5'9" 220, Thomas was 5'10" 200. Elliot is bigger then Emmitt was but honestly, not really. Emmitt was 3 inches shorter and 5 pounds lighter coming into the league. Emmitt was probably stronger then Elliott but doesn't really matter. Just because he is not like those players does not mean he can't be great.

 

[erod]

No. Elliott is not built like Emmitt or Sanders or Thomas or any of those guys. He is much taller then they were. Elliott is 6' 225 lbs. Barry was 5'8" 205, Emmitt was 5'9" 220, Thomas was 5'10" 200. Elliot is bigger then Emmitt was but honestly, not really. Emmitt was 3 inches shorter and 5 pounds lighter coming into the league. Emmitt was probably stronger then Elliott but doesn't really matter. Just because he is not like those players does not mean he can't be great.

He still has the powerful build in the legs and upper body. He doesn't have the long, thin torso like Arian Foster or Demarco Murray.

Elliott is thick. That's good for running backs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's three RBs that aren't remotely as good as Elliott, but it's one way to do it.

I want a true bell cow. Maybe there's one in the 3rd round, but I doubt it.

Elliot is not leaps and bounds better then some of the guys in this draft. He is better but he's not all that much better IMO. To me, he is lucky that he is not coming out next year. There could be three backs better then he is next year, seriously.

 

[erod]

Elliot is not leaps and bounds better then some of the guys in this draft. He is better but he's not all that much better IMO. To me, he is lucky that he is not coming out next year. There could be three backs better then he is next year, seriously.

Who?

Doesn't fumble.
Runs with speed.
Runs with quickness.
Runs with power.
Blocks extremely well.
Catches the ball like a receiver.
Intensely competitive.

Who is like that? And don't give me Fournette.