Just Draft Zeke!

[TwoCentPlain]

I just looked at Ohio State's schedule for 2015. The only teams worth mentioning were Michigan St, Michigan, and ND. The rest were typical cupcakes vastly overmatched in talent. I doubt anyone will point to the Michigan St game as an indication of Elliott's talent and how he can take over a game. In fact, after that loss, Elliott pointed the finger at his coaches for all the blame IIRC.

So, Elliott put up good numbers against generally weak opponents who had a smidgeon of the talent Ohio State had. Throw in drug and party rumors and bad combine interviews. And some here are pimping him as the greatest RB ever and capable of carrying a team to the promised land.

 

[erod]

I'll give you credit for an excellent spin job on a statement that you made that clearly is not true.

Are you serious? Dallas offered Murray $6 million a year at the age of 27. Elliott will make $4-5 million a year starting at age 20.

Adrian Peterson $14 million
Marshawn Lynch $12 million
Arian Foster $8.7 million
Lesean McCoy $8 million
Jonathan Stewart $7.3 million
Doug Martin $7.1 million
Jamaal Charles $6.9 million
Lamar Miller $6.5 million
Chris Ivory $6.4 million
Demarco Murray $6.4 million

Ezekiel Elliott $5 million or less

 

[Stash]

So you want to pay Bosa or Ramsey the same thing while you wait for them to get good in 2-4 years? Elliott is ready to go right now.

How tough is that behind the best offensive line in the NFL? About as 'tough' as it was to do behind the best line in college football. And suddenly, no other player is capable of doing his job for two years? The lengths people will go...

And Murray's production was a one-hit wonder. A guy like Elliott could have done more than Murray that year. He sucked in Philly last year, and no, it wasn't just about scheme. Murray was supremely overrated after that one year.

This line makes running backs, your own claims support it. Therefore, they don't need to overdraft or overpay for a running back.

They showed it with Murray. They showed it with Lamar Miller. They should stick to that same resolve and not overpay for this guy.

 

[erod]

I just looked at Ohio State's schedule for 2015. The only teams worth mentioning were Michigan St, Michigan, and ND. The rest were typical cupcakes vastly overmatched in talent. I doubt anyone will point to the Michigan St game as an indication of Elliott's talent and how he can take over a game. In fact, after that loss, Elliott pointed the finger at his coaches for all the blame IIRC.

So, Elliott put up good numbers against generally weak opponents who had a smidgeon of the talent Ohio State had. Throw in drug and party rumors and bad combine interviews. And some here are pimping him as the greatest RB ever and capable of carrying a team to the promised land.

Elliott's best games were in the biggest games against the best opponents. Look it up.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Another Zeke thread.

Nice.

 

[Stash]

Are you serious? Dallas offered Murray $6 million a year at the age of 27. Elliott will make $4-5 million a year starting at age 20.

Adrian Peterson $14 million
Marshawn Lynch $12 million
Arian Foster $8.7 million
Lesean McCoy $8 million
Jonathan Stewart $7.3 million
Doug Martin $7.1 million
Jamaal Charles $6.9 million
Lamar Miller $6.5 million
Chris Ivory $6.4 million
Demarco Murray $6.4 million

Ezekiel Elliott $5 million or less

Nice list.

Who's Marshawn Lynch playing for?

 

[erod]

How tough is that behind the best offensive line in the NFL? About as 'tough' as it was to do behind the best line in college football. And suddenly, no other player is capable of doing his job for two years? The lengths people will go...

Pass rushers usually take a few years to be effective in the NFL. Same for safeties. Wide receivers often take 3+ years.

Running backs are immediate.

 

[slick325]

Another Zeke thread.

Nice.

LOL!!! This whole thing will be over soon T_M.

Love the constructing of a team and the entire process. Including the debates of which player to take and not to take.

 

[erod]

Nice list.

Who's Marshawn Lynch playing for?

He quit, but that would have been his salary next season. It was signed and sealed.

 

[Stash]

False..

Name a RB coming out next year whose as complete as Zeke.. Come on, there's some terrific RB's, but not a Marshal Faulk type weapon.

I don't even think there are more complete runners, let alone pass catching, blockers..

Look for yourself. Elliott is just another guy next year.

https://www.google.com/search?sclie.....0...1c.1.64.tablet-gws..1.7.586.9x54Z0OJ0b0

 

[Stash]

He quit, but that would have been his salary next season. It was signed and sealed.

So he's not getting it because he's retired. But sure, put a salary that's not going to be earned on the list anyway!

 

[Sydla]

The fact of the matter is...all signs point to Elliott being in contention at pick 4 along with Ramsey (who I believe is number 1 on the Cowboys big board); Elliott and Bosa. If RB was not of value to the team or if he wasn't viewed as a top 10 talent then wouldn't logic tell you he wouldn't even be in contention? There is no talk of Tunsil at 4 and he is talented. But he plays a position they have top talent at so he isn't really a consideration.

If Dallas doesn't draft Elliott it doesn't mean they didn't see him as valuable it means they went with a higher ranked player on the board (Ramsey) or a highly ranked need player (Bosa).

Edit: BTW...I don't think the team viewed Lamar Miller as highly as some on this board. He is not a special talent nor elite. He got paid in free agency like he was just that. Stephen Jones explained why spending in free agency is skewed.

Actually my contention has been if they take Elliott, the front office continues to prove that they are more helter skelter in their plan to build a team. That they just go off whims and fancies without a real plan in place. They appeared to have one when they started drafting top OL and said that a top OL gives them the luxury of not having to spend a lot of resources on the TB position......... but then a few years later apparently they think they might now need to spend top resources on a TB.

The Tunsil example is poor.

 

[Stash]

Pass rushers usually take a few years to be effective in the NFL. Same for safeties. Wide receivers often take 3+ years.

Running backs are immediate.

That's right "running backs" are immediate.

No where does it say "Ezekiel Elliott alon" is "immediate". Funny that people will make all kinds of generalizations and then somehow try to tie them to one guy!

 

[erod]

Look for yourself. Elliott is just another guy next year.

https://www.google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&site=&source=hp&q=2017 running backs&oq=2017 run&gs_l=tablet-gws.1.0.0l3.2888.6272.0.7322.8.6.0.2.2.0.133.575.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.tablet-gws..1.7.586.9x54Z0OJ0b0

That's ridiculous. Elliott is more complete than the 2017 backs. Maybe the class is better next year, but I wouldn't take one of those guys over Elliott.

I don't just want a running back. I want a multi-dimensional running back who doesn't fumble, can pass protect right now, can catch the ball like a receiver, can run inside and outside, has breakaway speed, and is excellent in short yardage.

That's Elliott. And the guy is competitive on the level of Dez Bryant, but with more self-control.

 

[Sydla]

Are you serious? Dallas offered Murray $6 million a year at the age of 27. Elliott will make $4-5 million a year starting at age 20.

Adrian Peterson $14 million
Marshawn Lynch $12 million
Arian Foster $8.7 million
Lesean McCoy $8 million
Jonathan Stewart $7.3 million
Doug Martin $7.1 million
Jamaal Charles $6.9 million
Lamar Miller $6.5 million
Chris Ivory $6.4 million
Demarco Murray $6.4 million

Ezekiel Elliott $5 million or less

You know as well as I do that the guaranteed money is all that really matters, not the random average per year.

 

[jazzcat22]

I just looked at Ohio State's schedule for 2015. The only teams worth mentioning were Michigan St, Michigan, and ND. The rest were typical cupcakes vastly overmatched in talent. I doubt anyone will point to the Michigan St game as an indication of Elliott's talent and how he can take over a game. In fact, after that loss, Elliott pointed the finger at his coaches for all the blame IIRC.

So, Elliott put up good numbers against generally weak opponents who had a smidgeon of the talent Ohio State had. Throw in drug and party rumors and bad combine interviews. And some here are pimping him as the greatest RB ever and capable of carrying a team to the promised land.

same can be said for ANY college player....

Ramsey and FSU played who now? Best teams Miami, Florida if you call them good teams...oh, and Clemson.
Stats for the year....54 tackles, 39 solo, 1 sack, 0...that's ZERO Int;s, and 9, that is NINE, passes defenses...and yes teams threw at him, so it's not that they didn't throw his way.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Elliott's best games were in the biggest games against the best opponents. Look it up.

Well, that leaves Michigan and ND as his best because the other teams in 2015 were steaming piles of garbage compared to the talent Ohio State had. Elliott sure didn't have his best game against Mich State.

 

[erod]

That's right "running backs" are immediate.

No where does it say "Ezekiel Elliott alon" is "immediate". Funny that people will make all kinds of generalizations and then somehow try to tie them to one guy!

C'mon, man. Running backs are instinctive. They either have it, or they don't. Other than some pass protections and whatnot, there's nothing to learn. Just go.

 

[erod]

Well, that leaves Michigan and ND as his best because the other teams in 2015 were steaming piles of garbage compared to the talent Ohio State had. Elliott sure didn't have his best game against Mich State.

Same goes for every major program in college football. Who did Florida State play? Who did Oregon play? Who did OU play when Peterson or Murray was there? WHO DID WENTZ PLAY AT NORTH DAKOTA STATE?

Elliott will be elite from day one. Watch.

 

[Sydla]

That's ridiculous. Elliott is more complete than the 2017 backs. Maybe the class is better next year, but I wouldn't take one of those guys over Elliott.

I don't just want a running back. I want a multi-dimensional running back who doesn't fumble, can pass protect right now, can catch the ball like a receiver, can run inside and outside, has breakaway speed, and is excellent in short yardage.

That's Elliott. And the guy is competitive on the level of Dez Bryant, but with more self-control.

LOL.

So there isn't a TB in the entire class next year that can run, block and catch?

Seriously, you've gone so far into the Elliott love abyss you can't even see a way to get out now.