Just watched the 1st Giants game over...

[DLCassidy]

Flo got hurt early in that game and played almost three quarters anyway. Yeah, the Giants got some pressures, a caused fumble and a couple sacks but at least Bledsoe had places to go with the ball, threw the ball well and we moved the ball well. Only turnovers kept that game from being a blowout. Even with Tucker in the game in the 4th we looked ok. I want that offense back. This boa constrictor max protect, Whitten staying in thing is a losing propostion. We either get an offense back Sunday or we are DONE. Drew did not play well this past Sunday but he was under great pressure and had not checkoffs available. It won't work.

 

[rojan]

Man...I hate the position we are in...I would love to see the old O back, but do you think it is possible....I mean we were gettin presured with max protection, imagine if there were just 5 or 6 players blocking....I dont understand it...Im just thinkin that after a long break we come out a little rusty..it did happen against the Eagles too.....

 

[Juke99]

Bledsoe's been pretty good and I'm not ready to count him out, even though I've never been a supporter, just because he's had a few bad games. I have serious doubts but I'll hope for the best.

My gripe, from day one, has been how he limits the offense.

He is a statue. His mobility might be the worst I've ever seen in a QB. Vinny was better if only because he had good enough feet to buy an extra second or two.

Because of Bledsoe's lack of mobility we are forced into max protection. And the need to max protect him becomes magnified due to the fact that he's never been a good decision maker...he's always been careless with the ball...and those aspects of his game become magnified when he is under pressure.

Yes, the fact that our tackles are inexperienced makes matters worse...but if we had a QB with ANY mobility, it would take a lot of pressure off the O-Line and also allow us to get more than two receivers into the secondary.

 

[DLCassidy]

Time to take the training wheels off Tucker. Help out Petitti, he is a rookie and has struggled at times, but Tucker has to stand mostly on his own. Bledsoe must feel like he's back in Buffalo again.

 

[DLCassidy]

Bledsoe's been pretty good and I'm not ready to count him out, even though I've never been a supporter, just because he's had a few bad games. I have serious doubts but I'll hope for the best.

My gripe, from day one, has been how he limits the offense.

He is a statue. His mobility might be the worst I've ever seen in a QB. Vinny was better if only because he had good enough feet to buy an extra second or two.

Because of Bledsoe's lack of mobility we are forced into max protection. And the need to max protect him becomes magnified due to the fact that he's never been a good decision maker...he's always been careless with the ball...and those aspects of his game become magnified when he is under pressure.

Yes, the fact that our tackles are inexperienced makes matters worse...but if we had a QB with ANY mobility, it would take a lot of pressure off the O-Line and also allow us to get more than two receivers into the secondary.

I don't think so, at least not this Sunday. Mike Vick would have been in big, big trouble. As Parcells said we just didn't block 'em.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Time to take the training wheels off Tucker. Help out Petitti, he is a rookie and has struggled at times, but Tucker has to stand mostly on his own. Bledsoe must feel like he's back in Buffalo again.

Been saying this since the game ended.

He must fly solo

But that would require an Offensive Adjustment and well....err..nevermind

- Mike G.

 

[rojan]

I think that the reason that the Giants game was suchas Defensive game was because we are so fimilear(sp) with each other....But us goin against the AFC is a totally different thing...Remember the Colts...That was a high scoring cloes game...The Broncos was allso a close game and so was the raiders game....I think it is up for grabs this sunday and the team with the better Defence wins it(which is us)

 

[Juke99]

I don't think so, at least not this Sunday. Mike Vick would have been in big, big trouble. As Parcells said we just didn't block 'em.

that's not the point I'm trying to make...I'm not speaking about this Sunday only.

My point is that the offense is restricted beyond how Parcells is already inclined to restrict an offense, in part, due to Bledsoe's lack of mobility...which is compounded by the fact that when he is pressured, he tends to make huge mistakes.

Add to that mix, a below average offensive line...and you can easily see why we have trouble scoring points.

 

[rojan]

I think it is allso is coachin...We have a TE coach as a O-Line coach....The Pats allways seem to plug in 6th and 7th rounders and get by

 

[Uh-Oh]

I think it is allso is coachin...We have a TE coach as a O-Line coach....The Pats allways seem to plug in 6th and 7th rounders and get by

That is because Charlie Weis was a great OC and designed a great offensive gameplan. It's all about timing. Tom Brady has to make his stepbacks and release the ball to the WR. I don't know why it works so well for them and not for other teams.

Nor do I know why Drew Bledsoe was only average/above average in that system while Tom Brady is "The Next Joe Montana." Their teaching methods produces good blockers from 6th and 7th round leftovers. And 3 Superbowl rings in 4 years.

 

[Alexander]

Time to take the training wheels off Tucker. Help out Petitti, he is a rookie and has struggled at times, but Tucker has to stand mostly on his own. Bledsoe must feel like he's back in Buffalo again.

If anyone has training wheels, it is Petitti. He needs to go do some weight work and come back when he has some functional football strength.

Tucker was a penalty problem last season, but we did not have to devote our tight ends and backs to help him out constantly.

 

[rojan]

Do you guys remember bacnk in the day we had 1 of the best Oline coaces in the game...He left and went to the chargers and they did good and now that he is gone they are not doin aswell blocking.....Our production started to fall off as son as he left...We need a solid Oline coach for next year!!

 

[Alexander]

Do you guys remember bacnk in the day we had 1 of the best Oline coaces in the game...He left and went to the chargers and they did good and now that he is gone they are not doin aswell blocking.....Our production started to fall off as son as he left...We need a solid Oline coach for next year!!

That would be Hudson Houck.

He left San Diego this past offseason and Miami scooped him up.

 

[Rack]

Flo got hurt early in that game and played almost three quarters anyway. Yeah, the Giants got some pressures, a caused fumble and a couple sacks but at least Bledsoe had places to go with the ball, threw the ball well and we moved the ball well. Only turnovers kept that game from being a blowout. Even with Tucker in the game in the 4th we looked ok. I want that offense back. This boa constrictor max protect, Whitten staying in thing is a losing propostion. We either get an offense back Sunday or we are DONE. Drew did not play well this past Sunday but he was under great pressure and had not checkoffs available. It won't work.

Flo hurt is still better then Tucker or Petitti. And no way in hell did he get pressured as much as he did on sunday.

 

[DLCassidy]

Flo hurt is still better then Tucker or Petitti. And no way in hell did he get pressured as much as he did on sunday.

True, this was jailbreak city. But it's also true that the pressure seems to go up a notch or 2 on the road. It's tough to hear so your OL loses their jump on the ball and the DL gets jacked by the crowd. Tucker got beat cleanly for 2 sacks which isn't good, but other than those two whiffs he played ok against a really good pass rusher. Strahan was a bigger factor in the game with a bunch of pressures.

 

[Juke99]

We were getting pressured when they ran 3 man fronts...Not good.

Even on the ill-fated 3rd and one pass to Terry Glenn...it was an OBVIOUS running down...yet, they got pressure on Bledsoe.

 

[kartr]

Bledsoe's been pretty good and I'm not ready to count him out, even though I've never been a supporter, just because he's had a few bad games. I have serious doubts but I'll hope for the best.

My gripe, from day one, has been how he limits the offense.

He is a statue. His mobility might be the worst I've ever seen in a QB. Vinny was better if only because he had good enough feet to buy an extra second or two.

Because of Bledsoe's lack of mobility we are forced into max protection. And the need to max protect him becomes magnified due to the fact that he's never been a good decision maker...he's always been careless with the ball...and those aspects of his game become magnified when he is under pressure.

Yes, the fact that our tackles are inexperienced makes matters worse...but if we had a QB with ANY mobility, it would take a lot of pressure off the O-Line and also allow us to get more than two receivers into the secondary.

I think you got it right. Bledsoe does limit the offense with his immobility.
I would use this analogy. It's a lot easier for a boy scout to help a old lady across the street if she doesn't have to use a walker too.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yeah, but you have to give and take.

Bill Parcells, as a coach has to maximize his quarterback's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

Parcells has whiffed on 2-3 picks on the offensive line and it is painfully obvious.

The problem here is that Payton refuses to make adjustments. Our offense is stale and predictable. I am not talking about slinging the ball more, I just want to see Jason Witten more involved in short routes and the offense just do some kind of motion or something to get mismatches and gain an advantage.

Drew has shown us what he can do when he has a little bit of protection. I am going to stick with the guy until the Playoffs are out of reach and then personally I would like to see Drew Henson or Tony Romo get some experience.

We are 7-5 right now, which isnt great but isnt horrible either.

Let's make the offense more Dynamic and less-predictable and let Drew make some plays.

Also, for individuals that are not happy with Bledsoe, I am stating waiting to hear an alternative .

 

[Homerun Trot]

Bledsoe's been pretty good and I'm not ready to count him out, even though I've never been a supporter, just because he's had a few bad games. I have serious doubts but I'll hope for the best.

My gripe, from day one, has been how he limits the offense.

He is a statue. His mobility might be the worst I've ever seen in a QB. Vinny was better if only because he had good enough feet to buy an extra second or two.

Because of Bledsoe's lack of mobility we are forced into max protection. And the need to max protect him becomes magnified due to the fact that he's never been a good decision maker...he's always been careless with the ball...and those aspects of his game become magnified when he is under pressure.

Yes, the fact that our tackles are inexperienced makes matters worse...but if we had a QB with ANY mobility, it would take a lot of pressure off the O-Line and also allow us to get more than two receivers into the secondary.

He limits it in that way, but don't forget, he can make any throw on the field, and consistently if given time. That's something that you can't say about most mobile quarterbacks.

 

[Jarv]

Yeah, but you have to give and take.

Bill Parcells, as a coach has to maximize his quarterback's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

Parcells has whiffed on 2-3 picks on the offensive line and it is painfully obvious.

The problem here is that Payton refuses to make adjustments. Our offense is stale and predictable. I am not talking about slinging the ball more, I just want to see Jason Witten more involved in short routes and the offense just do some kind of motion or something to get mismatches and gain an advantage.

Drew has shown us what he can do when he has a little bit of protection. I am going to stick with the guy until the Playoffs are out of reach and then personally I would like to see Drew Henson or Tony Romo get some experience.

We are 7-5 right now, which isnt great but isnt horrible either.

Let's make the offense more Dynamic and less-predictable and let Drew make some plays.

Also, for individuals that are not happy with Bledsoe, I am stating waiting to hear an alternative .

Mick, I'm ready now to play the young guns. As Bledsoe gets older he's getting worse, not better. Sometimes you have to cut your loss's. I don't think we'll ever win a Superbowl with Bledsoe. Are we a better team this year with him ? Without a doubt...IMHO.

But being better and not having the talent to win it all is not what I am looking for. We have two kids, one was a star at Michigan, a topped ranked Div 1A school prospect...who in his last year and 8 games threw 18 TD's and only 4 INT's. That to me shows a lot of promise.

The other, well he just won the Walter Payton award for the best Div 1AA school player in the country.

Both of these guys has potential, like any top ranked QB coming out of college. No college QB is a sure thing, the only way you ever find out what they have is by playing them and letting them take their lumps.

The last 2 years BP has choosen 2 12 + year vetran QB's that have had good careers, never won the big games and are on the downside of their careers.

Can they win you games, sure...Will they take you to the promised land ? Not im my opinion. I really hope I'm proven wrong, but that is how I feel.

Our "D" is great and I feel will only get better with more experience and players returning from injury next year. Lets see what these young kids have so we can make an intelligent decision next Spring on the future of the QB situation here.