Kaiser Rolls with Frosting

[Everson24]

Yes, this kind of loss is painful. But Dallas is a very young team and it took a superhuman performance by an elite QB and significant luck by the Packers to beat them. And even then it went down to the last seconds, and only because of a highlight reel catch. There is a chance this is the closest score the Packers have in the Playoffs this year.

The bottom line for me is that you can’t dig out of a 21-3 hole and the main reason for that is that the team came out flat. Its common for teams to do that when they get the first round bye, you see it every year. And if you think I’m making excuses, I posted that this could happen two weeks ago -

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/terrell-mcclain.368784/#post-7134809

The other major factor was that Rodgers was unconscious and even then, had a lot of luck go his way like his fumble into the RBs hands. Its very, very hard to beat an elite QB that is playing at his best - if you remember the last time Dallas had a playoff game against a top QB on top of his game we lost to Favre and the Vikings by a score of 34-3.

If you want a silver lining, this game from Rodgers is what an elite QB looks like and Dak will look like that as early as next season – and do it for a decade or more.

If you want a historical comparison to this game, the Cowboys went to the playoffs in 1991 in the first year of their dominant 90’s run and lost to the Lions 38-6 (after a Wildcard win). You saw in that team the beginning of a dynasty and you see the same thing today.

So I’m not going to argue over the post mortem and the play of Zeke or Dak or Free or Claiborne.

A very young, very talented Cowboys team went down the wire against a very good Packers team and lost in a game where the last team with the ball was going to win.

Going forward - they will have a ton of cap room to spend on free agents.

They have a ton of young players that will improve next year with their normal development.

They have drafted extremely well for the last four years and will likely get an extra pick(s) for Romo.

It’s a very painful loss, but so was the 1991 playoff loss before we won Super Bowls in three of the next four years.

How long have we been saying this "feels like 1991" only to have 1992 never appear. In 1992 Jimmy Johnson knew we needed help on defense and knew exactly how to get it. We drafted Kevin Smith, Darren Woodson and Robert Jones that year and made the trade for Charles Haley. We even drafted a pretty decent corner in Larry Brown in the 12th round. I don't see anything close to that haul on the horizon. This defense needs young talent everywhere and there just are not enough draft picks or free agent dollars to fix it.

I think by the time week six rolls around next year we will be longing for this years defense.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't see anything close to that haul on the horizon.

Did you see us using a 4th round pick on a QB that had the best rookie season in history?

 

[Everson24]

Did you see us using a 4th round pick on a QB that had the best rookie season in history?

WE did luck out with Dak, But when it comes to defense, we've been striking out for years now. How do we fix the pass rush? T Crawford or D Lawrence are certainly not the answer. Gregory is a bust. We have a ton of guys leaving via free agency and even if they don't leave I'm not sure I want them back. This whole D needs rebuilding and if you are going to play a vanilla scheme you better have athletes that are smart, can run and hit. I don;t see a lot of those type players on this roster.

 

[Kaiser]

WE did luck out with Dak, But when it comes to defense, we've been striking out for years now. How do we fix the pass rush?

Like I said in the OP, we have a lot of things available to fix the pass rush.

We will have a ton of cap space for FAs.

We have drafted well and if we get a good pick for Romo, could definitely trade up in the first for an impact pass rusher.

We also have guys like Irving and Collins who could improve dramatically, also IMO Tapper will be a good backup LDE next year.

Also you say DLaw isn't the answer but he played very well last year when he was healthy. If he plays like 2015 and Mayowa is his backup, it isn't hard to picture the team getting 12 sacks from the RDE position if those two rotate.

And all of that is before we spend any FA money or draft picks for upgrades.

 

[Kaiser]

Hey, there are some (ok, just a few) good guys here!

I'm from LA and no one who lives here is actually from LA. I have a bunch of friends that are originally from Philly, also I've heard its a totally different city than it was ten years ago in terms of crime, etc.

 

[CWR]

How long have we been saying this "feels like 1991" only to have 1992 never appear. In 1992 Jimmy Johnson knew we needed help on defense and knew exactly how to get it. We drafted Kevin Smith, Darren Woodson and Robert Jones that year and made the trade for Charles Haley. We even drafted a pretty decent corner in Larry Brown in the 12th round. I don't see anything close to that haul on the horizon. This defense needs young talent everywhere and there just are not enough draft picks or free agent dollars to fix it.

I think by the time week six rolls around next year we will be longing for this years defense.

Nobody saw the haul we pulled in this year either. I dont see us going backwards with the defense considering we have another year of expertise for Collins, Brown and Irving, with (hopefully healthy) Jaylon Smith. Having solved the franchise QB issue I think we can afford to actually finally put a real emphasis on defense this offseason.

 

[ringmaster]

Yes, this kind of loss is painful. But Dallas is a very young team and it took a superhuman performance by an elite QB and significant luck by the Packers to beat them. And even then it went down to the last seconds, and only because of a highlight reel catch. There is a chance this is the closest score the Packers have in the Playoffs this year.

The bottom line for me is that you can’t dig out of a 21-3 hole and the main reason for that is that the team came out flat. Its common for teams to do that when they get the first round bye, you see it every year. And if you think I’m making excuses, I posted that this could happen two weeks ago -

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/terrell-mcclain.368784/#post-7134809

The other major factor was that Rodgers was unconscious and even then, had a lot of luck go his way like his fumble into the RBs hands. Its very, very hard to beat an elite QB that is playing at his best - if you remember the last time Dallas had a playoff game against a top QB on top of his game we lost to Favre and the Vikings by a score of 34-3.

If you want a silver lining, this game from Rodgers is what an elite QB looks like and Dak will look like that as early as next season – and do it for a decade or more.

If you want a historical comparison to this game, the Cowboys went to the playoffs in 1991 in the first year of their dominant 90’s run and lost to the Lions 38-6 (after a Wildcard win). You saw in that team the beginning of a dynasty and you see the same thing today.

So I’m not going to argue over the post mortem and the play of Zeke or Dak or Free or Claiborne.

A very young, very talented Cowboys team went down the wire against a very good Packers team and lost in a game where the last team with the ball was going to win.

Going forward - they will have a ton of cap room to spend on free agents.

They have a ton of young players that will improve next year with their normal development.

They have drafted extremely well for the last four years and will likely get an extra pick(s) for Romo.

It’s a very painful loss, but so was the 1991 playoff loss before we won Super Bowls in three of the next four years.

Good analysis as always @Kaiser the loss to the Packers was tough but the way this team took the fight to Green Bay coming from a 21-3 deficit to nearly winning the game showed me that this is only the beginning this team will definitely be back competing for SBs guaranteed very proud of what this team was able to accomplish and the future is very bright.

 

[Kaiser]

Good analysis as always @Kaiser the loss to the Packers was tough but the way this team took the fight to Green Bay coming from a 21-3 deficit to nearly winning the game showed me that this is only the beginning this team will definitely be back competing for SBs guaranteed very proud of what this team was able to accomplish and the future is very bright.

Yup, the played a great game and they lost - but the trend is definitely pointing up.

 

[Everson24]

Like I said in the OP, we have a lot of things available to fix the pass rush.

We will have a ton of cap space for FAs.

We have drafted well and if we get a good pick for Romo, could definitely trade up in the first for an impact pass rusher.

We also have guys like Irving and Collins who could improve dramatically, also IMO Tapper will be a good backup LDE next year.

Also you say DLaw isn't the answer but he played very well last year when he was healthy. If he plays like 2015 and Mayowa is his backup, it isn't hard to picture the team getting 12 sacks from the RDE position if those two rotate.

And all of that is before we spend any FA money or draft picks for upgrades.

I just can't picture Lawrence ever being healthy enough again, He is going to have another back surgery this off-season. Ask Charles Haley if those disc surgeries ever get you back close to 100%. Tapper has a Pars defect injury that my might limit him his entire pro career. And what free agent pass rushers are out there that would leave their current team to join us? I just don't think there is any big time help coming that route.

I wish I could be more optimistic but we have been trying to fix this defense since before Mike Zimmer left, and it looks like we will have to get used to playing with a bad one for a few more years at least.

 

[Everson24]

Nobody saw the haul we pulled in this year either. I dont see us going backwards with the defense considering we have another year of expertise for Collins, Brown and Irving, with (hopefully healthy) Jaylon Smith. Having solved the franchise QB issue I think we can afford to actually finally put a real emphasis on defense this offseason.

My issue is we have thrown resources at it over the years and we still haven't come close to getting a good defense. Even when we had Ware, Spencer and Ratliff rushing the passer, our secondary was pathetic at safety and second CB. Now we have a more competent seconday but we have no pass rush.

I just wonder how well Will McClay knows the defensive side of the ball. When Bill Parcells was here we couldn't draft a competent offensive lineman, I wonder if pass rushers are McClay's kryptonite.

 

[tecolote]

How long have we been saying this "feels like 1991" only to have 1992 never appear. In 1992 Jimmy Johnson knew we needed help on defense and knew exactly how to get it. We drafted Kevin Smith, Darren Woodson and Robert Jones that year and made the trade for Charles Haley. We even drafted a pretty decent corner in Larry Brown in the 12th round. I don't see anything close to that haul on the horizon. This defense needs young talent everywhere and there just are not enough draft picks or free agent dollars to fix it.

I think by the time week six rolls around next year we will be longing for this years defense.

I think the key in this sentence is that we had Jimmy Johnson. That's the biggest difference in my opinion.

 

[visionary]

Yes, this kind of loss is painful. But Dallas is a very young team and it took a superhuman performance by an elite QB and significant luck by the Packers to beat them. And even then it went down to the last seconds, and only because of a highlight reel catch. There is a chance this is the closest score the Packers have in the Playoffs this year.

The bottom line for me is that you can’t dig out of a 21-3 hole and the main reason for that is that the team came out flat. Its common for teams to do that when they get the first round bye, you see it every year. And if you think I’m making excuses, I posted that this could happen two weeks ago -

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/terrell-mcclain.368784/#post-7134809

The other major factor was that Rodgers was unconscious and even then, had a lot of luck go his way like his fumble into the RBs hands. Its very, very hard to beat an elite QB that is playing at his best - if you remember the last time Dallas had a playoff game against a top QB on top of his game we lost to Favre and the Vikings by a score of 34-3.

If you want a silver lining, this game from Rodgers is what an elite QB looks like and Dak will look like that as early as next season – and do it for a decade or more.

If you want a historical comparison to this game, the Cowboys went to the playoffs in 1991 in the first year of their dominant 90’s run and lost to the Lions 38-6 (after a Wildcard win). You saw in that team the beginning of a dynasty and you see the same thing today.

So I’m not going to argue over the post mortem and the play of Zeke or Dak or Free or Claiborne.

A very young, very talented Cowboys team went down the wire against a very good Packers team and lost in a game where the last team with the ball was going to win.

Going forward - they will have a ton of cap room to spend on free agents.

They have a ton of young players that will improve next year with their normal development.

They have drafted extremely well for the last four years and will likely get an extra pick(s) for Romo.

It’s a very painful loss, but so was the 1991 playoff loss before we won Super Bowls in three of the next four years.

I must be confused but was the 1991 team the #1 seed with HFA throughout ?

Just stop with this excuse making. You made that post 2 weeks ago for the exact reason of being able to come today and quote it in your thread in case we lost. People/fans like you expect to lose so you build in these sort of excuses. Jerry has conditioned cowboy fans this way due to a 20 year grand tradition of losing

The team came out flat and had a poor defensive game plan, didn't adjust till half time and made some bad decisions on offense. Those are on our HC and coordinators

Those are the reasons for the loss

 

[cowboyblue22]

the bottom line is they LOST the team with the better qb and coach will be moving on while the cowboys are watching from the couch like the rest of us and what they have been doing for 21 years

 

[dallasdave]

Well, we really only have cap in 2018 forward.

And i'll just say it now... the better team lost yesterday.

Yeah, I said it.

And you said it well.

 

[dallasdave]

im praying this is '91 all over again, not '07.

 

[dallasdave]

Yes, this kind of loss is painful. But Dallas is a very young team and it took a superhuman performance by an elite QB and significant luck by the Packers to beat them. And even then it went down to the last seconds, and only because of a highlight reel catch. There is a chance this is the closest score the Packers have in the Playoffs this year.

The bottom line for me is that you can’t dig out of a 21-3 hole and the main reason for that is that the team came out flat. Its common for teams to do that when they get the first round bye, you see it every year. And if you think I’m making excuses, I posted that this could happen two weeks ago -

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/terrell-mcclain.368784/#post-7134809

The other major factor was that Rodgers was unconscious and even then, had a lot of luck go his way like his fumble into the RBs hands. Its very, very hard to beat an elite QB that is playing at his best - if you remember the last time Dallas had a playoff game against a top QB on top of his game we lost to Favre and the Vikings by a score of 34-3.

If you want a silver lining, this game from Rodgers is what an elite QB looks like and Dak will look like that as early as next season – and do it for a decade or more.

If you want a historical comparison to this game, the Cowboys went to the playoffs in 1991 in the first year of their dominant 90’s run and lost to the Lions 38-6 (after a Wildcard win). You saw in that team the beginning of a dynasty and you see the same thing today.

So I’m not going to argue over the post mortem and the play of Zeke or Dak or Free or Claiborne.

A very young, very talented Cowboys team went down the wire against a very good Packers team and lost in a game where the last team with the ball was going to win.

Going forward - they will have a ton of cap room to spend on free agents.

They have a ton of young players that will improve next year with their normal development.

They have drafted extremely well for the last four years and will likely get an extra pick(s) for Romo.

It’s a very painful loss, but so was the 1991 playoff loss before we won Super Bowls in three of the next four years.

Very Frosty

 

[Oh_Canada]

Well, we really only have cap in 2018 forward.

And i'll just say it now... the better team lost yesterday.

Yeah, I said it.

Well you are right, even the most ardent Packer fan knows if the Cowboys didn't sleep walk through the first quarter/half they win by ten. They were essentially off for three weeks and it showed.