Kevin Ogletree-WR- Cowboys Jan. 21 - 10:37 am et

[cowboyjoe]

Kevin Ogletree-WR- Cowboys Jan. 21 - 10:37 am et


The San Antonio Express-News believes Roy Williams is "stopping the progress of undrafted rookie Kevin Ogletree."

The Dallas Morning News makes a similar argument, that Ogletree would have surpassed Williams by the playoffs had the Cowboys worked him into the offense earlier in the season. Ogletree is certainly a name to track in Dynasty leagues, but he's a longshot to take Williams' starting job before the start of the 2010 season.
Source: Dallas Morning News
Related: Roy Williams

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'm wondering if Dallas should explore the possibility of trading Roy Williams...

 

[TheDude]

Coaching decisions....

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm wondering if Dallas should explore the possibility of trading Roy Williams...

Who would trade for his production? He hasn't impacted the Cowboys offense.

 

[Longboysfan]

You had the same argument last year before they traded for RW.

Same with TO there. Old not worth it - they have to prove it and the coaches will decide what to do.

 

[CF74]

RW simply makes to much dinero, best we can hope for is that he wins over Romo's confidence by game 3...ray:

 

[Apollo Creed]

Who would trade for his production? He hasn't impacted the Cowboys offense.

We would be lucky to get a 4th for him, real talk.

 

[EPL0c0]

It's not so much Roy Williams, it's Jason Garrett. Garrett decides who works with which play. He's putting Roy in there more than Ogletree for a reason (though all i can think of is the $$ Roy's being paid)

You do have to wonder when/if Miles Austin would have had his chance to crack the starting line up if not for the Roy Williams injury prior to the KC game. We may not have seen much from Austin and he may have had another 2nd round tender hung on him. We know now that he's worth SO much more.

What about Martellus Bennett. I like the guy, he's become a pretty good run/pass blocker IMO. But he's still a very athletic TE that, IMO, is underused. I know some folks would like to let him go, but what if he's like Austin? What if he just need a shot to start and show his stuff? Austin hadn't exploded for huge games prior to the start ('cept in pre-season vs scrubs). Im not saying get rid of Witten. Garrett just has to figure out a way to get the ball into more people's hands more often.

Having this much talent on offense is as much a curse as a blessing.

 

[brickman]

It's called not getting value for your buck. :bang2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I look forward to see how Ogletree progresses over the off season. I think the staff put him in situations they felt he was ready for and I think with a full off season and better knowledge of the offense and the NFL in general Ogletree will be better prepared to compete.

I don't think coach ours or any others try to keep players down they do have a better understanding than the media does about where a players development is. You tend to get a feel for it based on what you are seeing in the player throughout the week and what he knows by the meetings they are attending.

 

[yimyammer]

Owners decisions....

Fixed your post

 

[CIWhitefish]

It's called not getting value for your buck. :bang2:

I get this but help me out...when it's not your buck why does the value matter?

For me I want to see Roy do better because he can help us on the field with matchups and the like. I really don't care if we spent $1 on him or 5 draft picks. If he isn't performing he isn't performing.

I'm not trying to be a jerk when I ask this..if we got Roy for a 5th rounder would it make those of you who bang on Roy feel better? Is it that he isn't producing period or isn't producing on par with what we traded? If the later, again who cares when it wasn't you giving it up? The way I see it it's all about production. Whatever was given up is over and done with and all the hand wringing in the world won't change it. It's now all about is he an asset of liability on the field.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fixed your post

Owner? I thought Jerry talked about wanting to see Ogletree getting some playing time?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I get this but help me out...when it's not your buck why does the value matter?

For me I want to see Roy do better because he can help us on the field with matchups and the like. I really don't care if we spent $1 on him or 5 draft picks. If he isn't performing he isn't performing.

I'm not trying to be a jerk when I ask this..if we got Roy for a 5th rounder would it make those of you who bang on Roy feel better? Is it that he isn't producing period or isn't producing on par with what we traded? If the later, again who cares when it wasn't you giving it up? The way I see it it's all about production. Whatever was given up is over and done with and all the hand wringing in the world won't change it. It's now all about is he an asset of liability on the field.

I see it both ways. We pay him a ton to do nothing. Don't both those things hurt the franchise?

 

[yimyammer]

Owner? I thought Jerry talked about wanting to see Ogletree getting some playing time?

I admit that I'm speculating, but it seems like Jerry wants players that are paid the most or we spent the most draft picks on to get playing time, not who is performing the best.

If it's not him, then maybe it is Wade, but I don't think we have a typical head coach in Wade because it doesn't seem like he is really given the freedom to run the team like he might if Jerry wasn't so involved.

Something is messed up in how players get playing time and who makes the decisions to acquire and start players.

How do you make such a big mistake in trading for Roy yet at the same time develop a guy like Miles Austin but only discover how well he can perform because Roy couldn't play?

It's a head scratcher, how do you think these decisions are made?

Do you think something is amiss here?

 

[CIWhitefish]

I see it both ways. We pay him a ton to do nothing. Don't both those things hurt the franchise?

I supposed you could look at it that way but it's impossible to know what not having Roy and having those picks instead would have done to the franchise. Does Austin still break out? Is TO still gone? Maybe. Would we have gotten a player in the 1st round or traded down anyway? Maybe. All speculation. I guess my only point was that in my head we are already out the picks and now it's all about what he does period, not what he does in relation to what we gave up.

 

[igtmfo]

Help me out, I can't remember about NFL trades (mix them up with NBA trades salary matching and all that ...)

Doesn't Roy's contract make him practically untradable? ...

Could we pay the $9 million option upcoming, then eat some of his $3 mil. salary next year in a trade? (because no team surely is pay $3 million straight up next year for RW ...)

(Sorry if this has recently been gone over in one of the 1,000 RW threads ...)

 

[CF74]

I get this but help me out...when it's not your buck why does the value matter?

For me I want to see Roy do better because he can help us on the field with matchups and the like. I really don't care if we spent $1 on him or 5 draft picks. If he isn't performing he isn't performing.

I'm not trying to be a jerk when I ask this..if we got Roy for a 5th rounder would it make those of you who bang on Roy feel better? Is it that he isn't producing period or isn't producing on par with what we traded? If the later, again who cares when it wasn't you giving it up? The way I see it it's all about production. Whatever was given up is over and done with and all the hand wringing in the world won't change it. It's now all about is he an asset of liability on the field.

We just gotta be practical and explore what Jimmy said about the wr's. You find out what patterns they excel in, which route's are their strengths, and emphasize more on those. Then once they remaster those plays you slowly start to implement new ones. Sounds extreme for a guy who makes a ton of money but you don't take a 1/4 horse and throw him in a buggy race. You gotta use your athlete to his strengths.

Sometimes simplicity is the answer...

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm wondering if Dallas should explore the possibility of trading Roy Williams...

To who? Who wants a $45M 4th WR option? Nobody would trade for Roy at this point.

 

[Doomsday101]

I admit that I'm speculating, but it seems like Jerry wants players that are paid the most or we spent the most draft picks on to get playing time, not who is performing the best.

If it's not him, then maybe it is Wade, but I don't think we have a typical head coach in Wade because it doesn't seem like he is really given the freedom to run the team like he might if Jerry wasn't so involved.

Something is messed up in how players get playing time and who makes the decisions to acquire and start players.

How do you make such a big mistake in trading for Roy yet at the same time develop a guy like Miles Austin but only discover how well he can perform because Roy couldn't play?

It's a head scratcher, how do you think these decisions are made?

Do you think something is amiss here?

I think when you make a big deal you need to do everything in your power to try and make it work, so yes they were willing to give RW more leeway why wouldn't you?

That does not change anything in terms of Ogletree and his lack of experience as a UDFA he actually saw more time than what the avg UDFA would see in their rookie year.

Coaches raved on him coming out of camp and made him a member of the 53 man roster not a PS player so they did feel good about him. I think they tried to put him in situation within games they felt he was comfortable with and he did a good job in executing those things

As I said I think coaches know a bit more about players development than the media the coaches see them day in and day out they know what that player understand and what he needs to improve on.

I have no doubt there are things they will ask Ogletree to work on during the off season to help him as a player so that he will compete. Face it is in no ones interest to have Ogletree fail or hold him back