Key & Glenn

[Zippy Speedster]

It's time people. What do we really have with our two top wide reciever former-badboy duo?

How long can we honestly expect to see them playing for us?

Is this going to be a type of thing where we have to literally run Parcells out of Dallas to ever see someone else playing the position over his "Detention Boys"?

Wasn't part of the point when both were brought in was so they could mentor the younger players? Hello, where did those "younger" players go to---we have one!

How easily do you think it would be to replace both of then NOW---Like Parcells has a wake-up call or they repeat a past tempertantrum and it needs to be done before the season starts, could it be done? Would you be willing to accept a loss in "name" credentials in favor of a complete unknown?

How far away is Crayton from starting? Base this on personal assessment, not what you think Parcells will do cause his favoritism isn't a part of this question. Personally I think he brings just as much to the field as either of the other two. He's almost like a combination of both their talents.

Seatlle got rid of Robinson prior to this last season, they went to the Super Bowl. Pittsburg got rid of Burress prior to this last season, they went to the Super Bowl. Two cancers out, two rings in. Maybe there's something to it..........

So what do yall really think we have with Glenn and Keyshawn, what can be replaced about them, what can't be replaced about them?

 

[Yeagermeister]

It's time people. What do we really have with our two top wide reciever former-badboy duo?

How long can we honestly expect to see them playing for us?

Is this going to be a type of thing where we have to literally run Parcells out of Dallas to ever see someone else playing the position over his "Detention Boys"?

Wasn't part of the point when both were brought in was so they could mentor the younger players? Hello, where did those "younger" players go to---we have one!

How easily do you think it would be to replace both of then NOW---Like Parcells has a wake-up call or they repeat a past tempertantrum and it needs to be done before the season starts, could it be done? Would you be willing to accept a loss in "name" credentials in favor of a complete unknown?

How far away is Crayton from starting? Base this on personal assessment, not what you think Parcells will do cause his favoritism isn't a part of this question. Personally I think he brings just as much to the field as either of the other two. He's almost like a combination of both their talents.

Seatlle got rid of Robinson prior to this last season, they went to the Super Bowl. Pittsburg got rid of Burress prior to this last season, they went to the Super Bowl. Two cancers out, two rings in. Maybe there's something to it..........

So what do yall really think we have with Glenn and Keyshawn, what can be replaced about them, what can't be replaced about them?

Let me guess you want to replace these so called "cancers" with TO and AB....two bigger cancers......sounds good to me.....let's do it

 

[neosapien23]

I would want Robinson on this team. He looks like he just "got it". Dallas could sign him to a contract that protects them by making him pay back his signing bonus if he is suspended for substance abuse.

 

[DLCassidy]

I thought both TG and KJ played well last year and gave us no problems. How did they become cancers?

 

[Yeagermeister]

I thought both TG and KJ played well last year and gave us no problems. How did they become cancers?

Beats me

 

[ravidubey]

The fear with TG and Key is that as long as they are around we risk the whole season to injury and Bill Parcells won't let anyone compete with them for starting spots. BP probably won't even bring in anyone whom he thinks could compete with these two.

He ran AB out of town, traded Galloway, and didn't let Price play.

 

[Yeagermeister]

The fear with TG and Key is that as long as they are around we risk the whole season to injury and Bill Parcells won't let anyone compete with them for starting spots. BP probably won't even bring in anyone whom he thinks could compete with these two.

He ran AB out of town, traded Galloway, and didn't let Price play.

The only one of those three I would have kept was Galloway.

 

[Woods]

The fear with TG and Key is that as long as they are around we risk the whole season to injury and Bill Parcells won't let anyone compete with them for starting spots. BP probably won't even bring in anyone whom he thinks could compete with these two.

He ran AB out of town, traded Galloway, and didn't let Price play.

I didn't find Price particularly impressive . . . .

In fact, Crayton was more effective than Price.

 

[Derinyar]

AB ran himself out of town, with some small help from Bill, but its still his problem. Price just didn't do much. Galloway was traded because he hadn't done much with us for a couple of seasons and we were getting someone who had potential to help us.

I can't really fault any of the WR decisions, but do agree that we likely need to bring in another one here pretty fast.

 

[Yeagermeister]

AB ran himself out of town, with some small help from Bill, but its still his problem. Price just didn't do much. Galloway was traded because he hadn't done much with us for a couple of seasons and we were getting someone who had potential to help us.

I can't really fault any of the WR decisions, but do agree that we likely need to bring in another one here pretty fast.

I agree we need some younger wrs but not at the expense of TG and Key

 

[Zippy Speedster]

Let me guess you want to replace these so called "cancers" with TO and AB....two bigger cancers......sounds good to me.....let's do it

Well that idea would just rival your response. Lets really not.


Though in AB's defense, he's really had no problems in Cleveland, and during the course of his problems here in Dallas (year 1 he was a model citizen) Key or Glenn was one or both present. Both notorious problem causers in the past, both quickly aging and fighting off the young prospect snapping up at their heels for their starting posistion that they just stole from him. Not to mention both men had the ear of Parcells. If you don't think there's more to this story then meets the eye, then ok, I guess you know.

And by replacing them I mean I'm looking for college prospects, mid-level guys, the types we could jump on and bring right in. Players on par with Glenn and Key, not TO types that wouldn't even let players like Glenn or Key carry their bags.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Well that idea would just rival your response. Lets really not.


Though in AB's defense, he's really had no problems in Cleveland, and during the course of his problems here in Dallas (year 1 he was a model citizen) Key or Glenn was one or both present. Both notorious problem causers in the past, both quickly aging and fighting off the young prospect snapping up at their heels for their starting posistion that they just stole from him. Not to mention both men had the ear of Parcells. If you don't think there's more to this story then meets the eye, then ok, I guess you know.

And by replacing them I mean I'm looking for college prospects, mid-level guys, the types we could jump on and bring right in. Players on par with Glenn and Key, not TO types that wouldn't even let players like Glenn or Key carry their bags.

He had plenty of temper tantrums on the sideline his rookie year not to mention freelancing routes and dropping balls.

 

[BlueStar II]

While I'm not advocating getting rid of Glenn and Key, I do hope that we bring some younger WRs in who can, and will be given a fair chance to show if they can contriubte rather than wait until Key and Glenn are both done. We would benefit from having Key and Glenn mentor some young WRs, but I just hope that Parcells with bring in some young WRs either through FA or the draft, possibly both. The point is we need some productive, young WRs now, before Key and Glenn are both gone, and with Glenn, he's never been known for his durability.

 

[DLCassidy]

KJ and TG are nearing the end of the trail it's true but a) if they've been a problem here it's news to me and b) replacing them may not be as easy as you think. KJ was a former #1 overall pick, TG a #7 overall pick.

We'd need to be talking about using first day picks and probably round 1 and 2 picks to have a shot of replacing their production, at least in the short haul. You could get lucky developing a later round pick but not as a year 1 starter. In any case, receiver is hardly our biggest problem right now although it would not surprise me at all to see us use a first day pick on a WR. But that won't change the fact that KJ and TG will be starting this year.

 

[Zippy Speedster]

I thought both TG and KJ played well last year and gave us no problems. How did they become cancers?

Say TO vowed to clean up his act and played well for a couple of season with a particular team---would you consider TO a changed man, thus no longer considering him a cancer player?

Say Ricky Williams got off the dope and stayed clean for a couple of years---would you then consider him not a risk?

I'm just saying that in the past Glenn and Key were both notoriously known for causingi problems with their respective teams. Both even being two of only three players ever suspended for a duration of a season in this manor. First it was Terry, then it was Key, then it was TO. Quite an exclussive group there. We just need to keep our eyes open and not be surprised if something goes terribly wrong with one of these two players before all is said and done, that's all I'm saying.

Heck, I for one just love Key's moxy! He's been a great addition to this team, but that still don't mean I'm going to obliviate myself to what he really is. 6 months before becoming a Cowboy he was parading around on FOX being one of the most arroggant sob's ever, acting like his suspension was some badge of honor. TO is not even being anywhere as obnoxious and full of himself as Key was now that he's going through a similar thing. Just something to think about when you constantly read about the TO and Ricky Williams of the league and how so many would never trust them, yet we start two eariler versions of them without a worry in the world.

 

[Derinyar]

I agree we need some younger wrs but not at the expense of TG and Key

Probably not at their expense, but the chances of both of them being on this team and productive in 3 years is not high. We need replacements. Those either need to be drafted now, or bought in FA then.

 

[ravidubey]

I didn't find Price particularly impressive . . . .

In fact, Crayton was more effective than Price.

My point was we'll never really know about Price because he never went through camp and BP never played him in games. We can't tell how good he was and hte feeling you get was he wasn't allowed to compete with TG and Key. Not saying he was better, but how can anyone, including BP, tell? Maybe the nail in Price's coffin was Flozell getting hurt and a dearth of blocking for deep patterns.

BTW, I was really disappointed that Crayton never came all the way back from his injury.

 

[Zippy Speedster]

He had plenty of temper tantrums on the sideline his rookie year not to mention freelancing routes and dropping balls.

Yea you're right. He did go a little wacky after Quincy was benched for Hutch. But then again he didn't get very many balls thrown his way all the way up until the last game of the year against the Skins, either, and was just coming off a kick butt first half of the season, too.

But anyway I was only defending him because he was being put in the same bracket with TO. The two are nothing in comparison and can't be at the stages of both their careers---maybe give AB 5 years or so and a little more success, then who knows they might be comparing TO to AB by then, not the other way around.

 

[Zippy Speedster]

My point was we'll never really know about Price because he never went through camp and BP never played him in games. We can't tell how good he was and hte feeling you get was he wasn't allowed to compete with TG and Key. Not saying he was better, but how can anyone, including BP, tell? Maybe the nail in Price's coffin was Flozell getting hurt and a dearth of blocking for deep patterns.

BTW, I was really disappointed that Crayton never came all the way back from his injury.

Yea I just don't get that Price ordeal either. There was something going on there, more then meets the eye. Fine don't start him but why get rid of him when we were already so thin at the position with Crayton still coming off injury like that. The few plays I saw him in, he looked "crisp", too. Like he was 100% ready to be out there.

At times it's like Parcells has promised the starting spots to Terry and Key, like he owes it to them or something. Or better yet, like his friendship with them is getting in the way. Doesn't want to hurt their feelings. Well I wouldn't want to either, it's always those "fragile egos" that turn around and seem to cause the most trouble when they're cracked. Ironically we're tallking about Key and Glenn here, too.

 

[DLCassidy]

Just something to think about when you constantly read about the TO and Ricky Williams of the league and how so many would never trust them, yet we start two eariler versions of them without a worry in the world.

KJ and TG both respect the heck out of our coach. With Parcells as HC you're right I don't have a worry in the world about either one.

Parcells wouldn't have broght these guys here if he wasn't confident about them as players and as people. Just like if BP sat down with TO and said he wanted him here I would support it and expect the best.