Kiper Big Board 5/11/16

[Risen Star]

Click the link for commentary. (ESPN Insider)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...-board-pass-rushers-everywhere-nfl-draft-2017

An asterisk denotes a junior for the 2016 season. Two asterisks denotes a redshirt sophomore.

1. *Myles Garrett DE/OLB Texas A&M
2. Tim Williams OLB Alabama
3. *Leonard Fournette RB LSU
4. *Deshaun Watson QB Clemson
5. *Jamal Adams S LSU

6. *Malik McDowell DT Michigan St.
7. *Cam Robinson T Alabama
8. *Jalen Tabor CB Florida
9. **Jabrill Peppers S/LB Michigan
10. *Roderick Johnson T Florida St.

11. *Adoree' Jackson CB USC
12. Jonathan Allen DE Alabama
13. *Brad Kaaya QB Miami
14. *Charles Harris DE Missouri
15. Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan

16. *Derek Barnett DE Tennessee
17. *Juju Smith-Schuster WR USC
18. *Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio St.
19. DeMarcus Walker DE Florida St.
20. *Sidney Jones CB Washington

21. Jarrad Davis OLB Florida
22. *Carl Lawson DE Auburn
23. *Marquis Haynes OLB Mississippi
24. Deatrich Wise Jr. DE Arkansas
25. *Nick Chubb RB Georgia

Others considered: Tyrell Crosby T Oregon, Tyquan Lewis DE Ohio St, Tre'Davious White CB LSU, Jake Butt TE Michigan, O.J. Howard TE Alabama

 

[big dog cowboy]

Thanks RS.

Best use for this list is to save it and compare it to Kipers final big board before next years draft to see who rises and falls in the next year.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You know...I could endure another season like this one if it would land us Myles Garrett, have to be like 2-14 bad though

 

[JeffInDC]

Garrett, Barnett, Allen, & Walker are all studs - and they have size as well. They're ALL 265+. Don't have to worry about any tweeners from that group. The only question would be is Garrett the only RDE in that group?

 

[Risen Star]

Thanks RS.

Best use for this list is to save it and compare it to Kipers final big board before next years draft to see who rises and falls in the next year.

Here's Kiper's Big Board this time last year. The Cowboys got 2 of the players and you'll notice Maliek Collins in the also considered category coming off a season where he played in Marinelli's scheme.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/kiper-big-board-5-13-15.322334/

 

[JeffInDC]

WOW!!!!!! Dallasdave knew what he was talking about.

 

[RS12]

Dont know how Chubb could be that high. That was a really bad knee injury, the knee bent in a Jaylon Smith manor.

 

[DFWJC]

So, as many of us already said, the gnashing of teeth about there being no QBs or top RBs in 2017 was probably wrong.
Guess we won't truly know if this year's players or 2017's will be great pros for awhile, but except for 2017 having more edge rushers, the two years look similar for "skill" offensive players at this early stage.

 

[KingintheNorth]

1. *Myles Garrett DE/OLB Texas A&M

Beast.

2. Tim Williams OLB Alabama

Just watched Alabam's Spring game, he was literally unblockable.

3. *Leonard Fournette RB LSU

A RB I would have spent a Top 5 pick on. I love Elliott, Fournette is better.

5. *Jamal Adams S LSU

My number one guy for next year for the Cowboys. People are going to get sick of me talking about him.

9. **Jabrill Peppers S/LB Michigan

This year's Jalen Ramsey. So Risen Star's #1 guy.

 

[KingintheNorth]

WOW!!!!!! Dallasdave knew what he was talking about.

Really?

Kind of like this kid . Ezekiel Elliott* RB Ohio St.--Dallas might have to trade up to get him next year, after they win the Super Bowl.

 

[texbumthelife]

Garrett is going to break so many hearts. He is Charmin soft.

 

[AzorAhai]

Next years class is going to be so much better than this year concerning pass rushers. This year had so little legitimate top end pass rushers in it when we actually had a high enough pick to grab one.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Garrett is going to break so many hearts. He is Charmin soft.

Longhorn fan?

 

[texbumthelife]

Longhorn fan?

No. UTSA grad and fan.

Garrett frequently disappeared when teams smacked him in the face. He is a finesse player that wants to chase down. Physical OL manhandled him more than once. He has great numbers on paper, but he won't do the dirty work. He's also a little light in the pants and plays too upright.

The next step for Garrett's game is making more of an impact in SEC play. Of his 19 career sacks, 13.5 of them have come over the course of seven regular season non-conference games. Of those opponents, only one is from a Power Five conference (Arizona State). SEC teams have found Garrett more manageable by running the ball, often directly at him to offset his quickness. LSU's La'el Collins, for instance, had an outstanding game against Garrett last year behind a power-rushing game plan.

source:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000558807/article/scout-heaps-praise-on-aggies-de-myles-garrett

That's an old quote, but 2015 was much the same for Garrett. Against NFL caliber OL he really hasn't shown well.

Maybe he'll show a little more toughness this season. If he does that, I will definitely change my opinion.

 

[KingintheNorth]

No. UTSA grad and fan.

Roadrunners. Nice. One of my former players is entering his first year there.
http://goutsa.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=257&path=football

And I hear you on Garrett; I need to watch him more. The games I've seen he looked extremely athletic and physical enough to bull rush and hold the edge. He reminded me of a young Julius Peppers or Mario Williams.

 

[texbumthelife]

Roadrunners. Nice. One of my former players is entering his first year there.
http://goutsa.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=257&path=football

And I hear you on Garrett; I need to watch him more. The games I've seen he looked extremely athletic and physical enough to bull rush and hold the edge. He reminded me of a young Julius Peppers or Mario Williams.

Don't get me wrong, the kid is a physical freak. He absolutely has the tools to be an incredible edge rusher. I just want to see a little more of the dirty work out of him. He had a great chance to make a name for himself against Tunsil and he got manhandled. I know, Tunsil was the best OL in the 2016 draft, but this kid is projected as the top pick in 2017.

Obviously no prospect is perfect. I just want to see a little more of the workmanlike (Bosa-ish) quality from him this season.

Which player are you referring to? I expect the Roadrunners to really turn it around this season. Frank Wilson is a hell of a football coach and already had one of our best recruiting classes in a shortened recruiting season. Good luck to your former player!

We just had our first NFL draftee in TE David Morgan too!

 

[KingintheNorth]

Which player are you referring to?

Austin Blake-Smith TE #15

Played for us in 2014, was hurt a lot that season. Will be a good player for you guys.

 

[texbumthelife]

Austin Blake-Smith TE #15

Played for us in 2014, was hurt a lot that season. Will be a good player for you guys.

Oh man, hes got some big shoes to fill, literally. Ill be rooting for him tho!

 

[hendog]

No. UTSA grad and fan.

Garrett frequently disappeared when teams smacked him in the face. He is a finesse player that wants to chase down. Physical OL manhandled him more than once. He has great numbers on paper, but he won't do the dirty work. He's also a little light in the pants and plays too upright.



source:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000558807/article/scout-heaps-praise-on-aggies-de-myles-garrett

That's an old quote, but 2015 was much the same for Garrett. Against NFL caliber OL he really hasn't shown well.

Maybe he'll show a little more toughness this season. If he does that, I will definitely change my opinion.

What are your thoughts on Jason Neill?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Any zoner opinions on Kaaya? I hope he drops to 32.