Kiper Big Board/Top 10 by Position 1/12/17

[darthseinfeld]

He has Takkarist Mckinley at no 11. Geez. I have seen him in the 2nd rd on most places. He doesn't even have Landry listed.

Its been well documented that McKinley is expected to shoot up boards. In season rankings are worthless

 

[TheCoolFan]

Desmond King all the way. The Cowboys seem to like drafting players from the Big Ten too

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I just can't see us not drafting a DE, the depth at that position is crazy

 

[stilltheguru88]

I just can't see us not drafting a DE, the depth at that position is crazy

Yeah I'm team OJ but we have 3 huge question marks at DE.

 

[RandyOh]

Desmond King all the way. The Cowboys seem to like drafting players from the Big Ten too

I keep seeing him mocked as a free safety because of his size and questions about his overall speed and athleticism.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I keep seeing him mocked as a free safety because of his size and questions about his overall speed and athleticism.

he'd be great as a free safety.

 

[waving monkey]

I just can't see us not drafting a DE, the depth at that position is crazy

name the really good DE's

 

[WeaponX]

He has Takkarist Mckinley at no 11. Geez. I have seen him in the 2nd rd on most places. He doesn't even have Landry listed.

I'm pretty sure Landry announced he's going back to BC

 

[tm1119]

name the really good DE's

Agreed. This DE class goes 4, maybe 5, deep with upper tier prospects. Garrett and Allen we have 0% chance at, Thomas and Barnett we hope 1 falls but doesn't seem likely at this point, and that leaves Taco as the 5th guy who is debatably 1st round worthy that could be there. Don't get me wrong, of course there's still other guys who could turn into good players later but I don't see this DE class as obviously deep, at all.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Agreed. This DE class goes 4, maybe 5, deep with upper tier prospects. Garrett and Allen we have 0% chance at, Thomas and Barnett we hope 1 falls but doesn't seem likely at this point, and that leaves Taco as the 5th guy who is debatably 1st round worthy that could be there. Don't get me wrong, of course there's still other guys who could turn into good players later but I don't see this DE class as obviously deep, at all.

You forgot Charles Harris and obviously McKinley. We probably don't get any of them though. Maybe we should corner the DT market (shrugs). Collins was a first round talent..........Brantley and Jaleel Johnson are as well.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

name the really good DE's

Since we'll be picking some where in the #27-#32 range, I think I'd run to the podium to draft the following DEs

-Myles Garrett
-Jonathan Allen
-Solomon Thomas
-Takkarist McKinley
-Taco Charlton
-Dereck Barnett
-Charles Harris
-Jordan Willis
-Carl Lawson
-Demarcus Walker

And Tim Williams, who I'd stay away from due to off the field issues, likely will push a few DEs down further. Good chance TJ Watt is in that mix as well.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Agreed. This DE class goes 4, maybe 5, deep with upper tier prospects. Garrett and Allen we have 0% chance at, Thomas and Barnett we hope 1 falls but doesn't seem likely at this point, and that leaves Taco as the 5th guy who is debatably 1st round worthy that could be there. Don't get me wrong, of course there's still other guys who could turn into good players later but I don't see this DE class as obviously deep, at all.

If you're looking for a guy who will put up 10 sacks as a rookie, I agree they will be gone by the late 20s, however I think several guys who in other drafts could have gone in the early 20s will be there when we pick.

 

[tm1119]

You forgot Charles Harris and obviously McKinley. We probably don't get any of them though. Maybe we should corner the DT market (shrugs). Collins was a first round talent..........Brantley and Jaleel Johnson are as well.

Probably an unpopular opinion but I wouldn't touch either in the 1st round as a 4-3 team.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If you're looking for a guy who will put up 10 sacks as a rookie, I agree they will be gone by the late 20s, however I think several guys who in other drafts could have gone in the early 20s will be there when we pick.

Agreed, we need to start/continue adding talent at the position. I there should be a few DEs of Emanuel Ogbah's ability where we'll be drafting.

 

[gmoney112]

Desmond King all the way. The Cowboys seem to like drafting players from the Big Ten too

Too small. Just like our WR's, we like big corners.

I'm kinda butthurt Harold Landry stayed in school. Makes sense with the DE class this year, he improves and he's probably a top 20 pick next year, but still. One of the guys I liked at our pick.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Too small. Just like our WR's, we like big corners.

I'm kinda butthurt Harold Landry stayed in school. Makes sense with the DE class this year, he improves and he's probably a top 20 pick next year, but still. One of the guys I liked at our pick.

I was planning on starting a Hot Takes thread and Desmond King was one of mine; a lot of folks think he's a 1st rounder, but I think he goes 3rd-4th round.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Agreed, we need to start/continue adding talent at the position. I there should be a few DEs of Emanuel Ogbah's ability where we'll be drafting.

exactly, In 2016 Emmanuel Ogbah went 32nd and was the 5th DE/OLB taken, and that includes Deforest Buckner (since I am including Jonathan Allen). In 2015 Preston Smith was the 6th DE/OLB taken (I include Leonard Williams but not Arik Armstead, I think he is 3-4 only) at #38. In 2014 DeMarcus Lawrence was the 5th DE/OLB taken at #34. If the trends from the last few years hold true, I'll gladly take the 5th, 6th or 7th best DE/OLB prospect.

 

[VACowboy]

I'm kinda butthurt Harold Landry stayed in school. Makes sense with the DE class this year, he improves and he's probably a top 20 pick next year, but still. One of the guys I liked at our pick.

Ditto. My new DE favorite is Tanoh Kpassagnon in the second. I imagine he'll shoot up the boards some post-combine, though.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I was planning on starting a Hot Takes thread and Desmond King was one of mine; a lot of folks think he's a 1st rounder, but I think he goes 3rd-4th round.

That's a steal for somebody then. He's more physical than Byron regardless of the 2 inch difference

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

exactly, In 2016 Emmanuel Ogbah went 32nd and was the 5th DE/OLB taken, and that includes Deforest Buckner (since I am including Jonathan Allen). In 2015 Preston Smith was the 6th DE/OLB taken (I include Leonard Williams but not Arik Armstead, I think he is 3-4 only) at #38. In 2014 DeMarcus Lawrence was the 5th DE/OLB taken at #34. If the trends from the last few years hold true, I'll gladly take the 5th, 6th or 7th best DE/OLB prospect.

The guy I'm looking at that I think could realistically be at our spot in the 1st round and that offers the most ready-to-play now ability/development potential ratio is Taco Charlton from Michigan. He reminds me a lot of Jason Pierre Paul coming out of South Florida; lanky but well put together and very athletic for the position.