Kiper - Round 1 winners and question marks

[Risen Star]

Incorrect, I like the player but not if Williams were availability which was BPA what makes you think there was not an opportunity to trade the pick when he was the best player available?

Because none of those teams moved out of that spot. This is silly. Any fair analyst of this draft knows Scherff was going in the top 10. It would be idiotic of the Commanders to move down and hope he's still there. So they took their guy.

 

[Risen Star]

Probably because we were picking at 27?

And took a player that is clearly inferior to another who was on the board, IMO. The Commanders didn't do that. Scherff is an elite prospect too. As was Williams, Cooper, Gurley and Shelton.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Because none of those teams moved out of that spot. This is silly. Anybody fair analyst of this draft knows Scherff was going in the top 10. It would be idiotic of the Commanders to move down and hope he's still there. So they took their guy.

Wrong, they had the best player available in Williams, higher rated than Scherff, nothing idiotic about trading the best player available and moving down a few spots.

Everyone knows the Giants wanted him but they still could have moved a few spots.

 

[Rogerthat12]

And took a player that is clearly inferior to another who was on the board, IMO. The Commanders didn't do that. Scherff is an elite prospect too. As was Williams, Cooper, Gurley and Shelton.

You are plain wrong, Williams was the best player in this draft.

Scherff is inferior as a prospect to Williams, the Commanders went with need over BPA.

 

[Risen Star]

You are plain wrong, Williams was the best player in this draft.

You are just a Cowboys fan incapable of looking at it fairly. It stings to see the Commanders get a great player. So this is about the only avenue you can use to try to discredit a great pick.

 

[Risen Star]

Wrong, they had the best player available in Williams, higher rated than Scherff, nothing idiotic about trading the best player available and moving down a few spots.

Everyone knows the Giants wanted him but they still could have moved a few spots.

The problem is you are telling me my own ratings. I think there were 6 elite blue chip prospects in this draft. Williams, Cooper, Gurley, Shelton, Winston and Scherff. I have no issue whatsoever with the Commanders passing on Williams for Scherff. None at all.

Now passing up Brown for Byron Jones? Yeah, that I don't like.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You are just a Cowboys fan incapable of looking at it fairly. It stings to see the Commanders get a great player. So this is about the only avenue you can use to try to discredit a great pick.

Problem with this nonsense, is I am not just a Cowboys fan but also a draft and NFL fan so those lazy arguments do not work on me.

I like Scherff as a solid prospect no matter who takes the player but he is an inferior draft prospect to Williams and to say otherwise discredits your opinion on the draft considerably.

Williams was the BPA and they went for need.

 

[Rogerthat12]

The problem is you are telling me my own ratings. I think there were 6 elite blue chip prospects in this draft. Williams, Cooper, Gurley, Shelton, Winston and Scherff. I have no issue whatsoever with the Commanders passing on Williams for Scherff. None at all.

Now passing up Brown for Byron Jones? Yeah, that I don't like.

Then your evaluation is wrong, Scherff was a top half of the first prospect but Williams was the best player in this draft, hands down!

 

[xwalker]

Commanders got a good player but gave up the best player in the draft which was stupid.

They could have moved down a bit and probably still picked up their target and added picks.

That seemed like a need pick. I don't see any way that Scherff is a better player that Leonard Williams. Also, Guard is not a premium position like DL. If Scherff become the best Guard and Williams becomes the best DL, Williams will get pay way more in free agency than Scherff.

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

That's not really true. I had Jones at 27....but I also had Malcom Brown in my top 15. So does that mean I should support taking Jones there with a clearly higher rated player on my board?

I would always value a talented cb, above a 1 tech. Besides there is good 1 tech value a little later in the draft.

 

[Risen Star]

Problem with this nonsense, is I am not just a Cowboys fan but also a draft and NFL fan so those lazy arguments do not work on me.

I like Scherff as a solid prospect no matter who takes the player but he is an inferior draft prospect to Williams and to say otherwise discredits your opinion on the draft considerably.

Williams was the BPA and they went for need.

I'm not interested in what discredits my opinion to you. I'm telling you as I see it and why I don't have a problem with what the Commanders did like I do what the Cowboys did.

Be prepared for every analysts opinion to be discredited in your eyes because that Scherff pick will be universally praised.

 

[Risen Star]

You know what's a great way to determine draft prospects? Project what they might get paid with their next contract.

So,for instance....Byron Maxwell. Better player than Zack Martin.

I learned this on YouTube.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I'm not interested in what discredits my opinion to you. I'm telling you as I see it and why I don't have a problem with what the Commanders did like I do what the Cowboys did.

Be prepared for every analysts opinion to be discredited in your eyes because that Scherff pick will universally praised.

You are Discrediting yourself, had nothing to do with me and you also are contradicting yourself with only your own subjective opinion to ground your perspective, most of us are aware Williams was the best player available.

 

[Rogerthat12]

You know what's a great way to determine draft prospects? Project what they might get paid with their next contract.

So,for instance....Byron Maxwell. Better player than Zack Martin.

I learned this on YouTube.

Wonder what Willams will get on his next contract...lol.

 

[Rogerthat12]

That seemed like a need pick. I don't see any way that Scherff is a better player that Leonard Williams. Also, Guard is not a premium position like DL. If Scherff become the best Guard and Williams becomes the best DL, Williams will get pay way more in free agency than Scherff.

You are right on the money!

 

[Risen Star]

You are Discrediting yourself, had nothing to do with me and you also are contradicting yourself with only your own subjective opinion to ground your perspective, most of us are aware Williams was the best player available.

All you've done here is expose yourself as an irrational fan of your team.

Let me break it down real slow for you. I, not you, see Scherff as an elite prospect that warrants that selection. You asked me why I would be okay with not taking Williams since he's superior to Scherff. The problem with that is YOU think that. And you think that because you're a Cowboys fan desperately looking to discredit the Commanders great pick. You can't stand that they did it. I do not think that. I think you're splitting hairs between the 6 players I mentioned.

Why will the Commanders be praised for this pick by everyone giving grades? Because they agree with me and not you. Probably because they possess the maturity to leave the helmets out of it too.

 

[Rogerthat12]

All you've done here is expose yourself as an irrational fan of your team.

Let me break it down real slow for you. I, not you, see Scherff as an elite prospect that warrants that selection. You asked me why I would be okay with not taking Williams since he's superior to Scherff. The problem with that is YOU think that. And you think that because you're a Cowboys fan desperately looking to discredit the Commanders great pick. You can't stand that they did it. I do not think that. I think you're splitting hairs between the 6 players I mentioned.

Why will the Commanders be praised for this pick by everyone giving grades? Because they agree with me and not you. Probably because they possess the maturity to leave the helmets out of it too.

Again, irrational does not work on me, I could care less about that crap, I am exposing your incorrect evaluation of Scherff as a better prospect than Williams at pick 5.

It was a need pick with the BPA on the board in Williams, your evaluation is wrong as is your argument invalid.

I do not think Williams is the BPA because I am a Cowboys fan, most evaluators nationally agree that Williams is the better player.

 

[Risen Star]

Again, irrational does not work on me, I could care less about that crap, I am exposing your incorrect evaluation of Scherff as a better prospect than Williams at pick 5.

It was a need pick with the BPA on the board in Williams, your evaluation is wrong as is your argument is invalid.

Kindly show me where I said Scherff was a better prospect than Williams.

Show me.

 

[dallasdave]

I have great news. Melly Mel, the Notorious M.E.L. likes the Jones pick. Fit your opinion accordingly.

Click the link for much more, here's the Cowboys mention....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/in...-kiper-runs-winners-questions-first-day-picks


More I liked: The Jets had a tough decision to make at No. 6. Wide receiver Kevin White was still available, and they could use the added weapon in the passing game. But so too was the No. 1 overall player in the draft, Leonard Williams. There's no such thing as too many great D-linemen. I didn't love the fit, but I sure like the conviction to take the best player. ... Speaking of White, the Bears got their guy at No. 7. He looked right at home on stage in his new city. ... The Commanders might not have gotten a sexy player, but their O-line got better when they took Brandon Scherff. That's a new front office going with core talent. ... Baltimore had to be thrilled to hit a big need with Breshad Perriman (No. 14 on my Big Board) still there at No. 26. ... Love Dallas getting Byron Jones. ...Danny Shelton is an immediate-impact player in Cleveland. And by the way, I know some people question Cameron Erving. But when Alex Mack got hurt last year, the offense fell off a cliff, and Erving isn't just insurance, he's versatile and can start elsewhere. Man, did Cleveland get more physical.

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We win the first round.

Thanks for posting this and sharing with the rest of board. Love that Kiper high on Jones and one of my best friends that lives in Cleveland likes their DT. He pulls for Dallas and I cheer for his team The Browns. We have a very important thing in common we both hate the steelers more than anything.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Kindly show me where I said Scherff was a better prospect than Williams.

Show me.

If Williams Is the better prospect, then logically he is the BPA at pick 5 over Scherff.