Kyle Orton and Cowboys Offense

LocimusPrime · Dec 11, 2015

I've got a serious question. If our scheme is so bad that only Romo is able to function in it and without Romo the offense is in dissarray, how did Orton manage it? Now, i dont like the offense because it has been putrid this year. The defense has been put it precarious situations all year long, but is the scheme that bad that only Romo can run it or can most starting calibar qbs run the offense as well?

erod · Dec 11, 2015

He didn't manage it.

mattjames2010 · Dec 11, 2015

Orton only started one game for us, hard to draw conclusions from that. He was also under a different OC at the time.

But at the end of the day, Orton had two years to sit and learn under our offense. He is also a far better backup than Weeden will ever bee. Orton is on the level of a Fitzpatrick and was considered the best backup in the league at the time. I mean, the guy went to the Chiefs and beat the undefeated Packers.

Weeden should have never been a backup to Romo. Cassel has only been here a few months, tough to expect him to play at a good level consistently.

Zimmy Lives · Dec 11, 2015

mattjames2010 said:
Orton only started one game for us, hard to draw conclusions from that. He was also under a different OC at the time.

But at the end of the day, Orton had two years to sit and learn under our offense. Orton is also a far better backup than Weeden will ever bee. Orton is on the level of a Fitzpatrick and was considered the best backup in the league at the time. I mean, the guy went to the Chiefs and beat the undefeated Packers.

Weeden should have never been a backup to Romo. Cassel has only been here a few months, tough to expect him to play at a good level consistently.

This.

IMO, he was actually a good fit for the offense and probably would have had better success, drunk or not, replacing Romo for an extended period of time.

LocimusPrime · Dec 11, 2015

He wasnt bad on the last eagles game. If orton had some more starts and chemistry with the receivers we could beat them.

Idgit · Dec 11, 2015

It's not the scheme, it's the QBs.

Denim Chicken · Dec 11, 2015

We don't take kindly to that name being mentioned around here.

jwitten82 · Dec 11, 2015

Idgit said:
It's not the scheme, it's the QBs.

Lol scheme is a big problem. When you ask players like street to line up and beat his man, then that is a crappy scheme.

Idgit · Dec 11, 2015

jwitten82 said:
Lol scheme is a big problem. When you ask players like street to line up and beat his man, then that is a crappy scheme.

That sounds more like what I'd consider a personnel problem and not a scheme problem.

erod · Dec 11, 2015

Orton made Weeden look like a free spirit.

I don't think Orton has throw a pass further than 10 yards downfield in five years.

Aven8 · Dec 11, 2015

Had we had Orton today we would have the division wrapped up, in spite of the lousy "scheme"!

Nightman · Dec 11, 2015

Idgit said:
That sounds more like what I'd consider a personnel problem and not a scheme problem.

I think it is a combination.

Our plays are slow developing. We haven't mastered the quick hitters with screens and stacks.

Bleu Star · Dec 11, 2015

mattjames2010 said:
Orton only started one game for us, hard to draw conclusions from that. He was also under a different OC at the time.

But at the end of the day, Orton had two years to sit and learn under our offense. He is also a far better backup than Weeden will ever bee. Orton is on the level of a Fitzpatrick and was considered the best backup in the league at the time. I mean, the guy went to the Chiefs and beat the undefeated Packers.

Weeden should have never been a backup to Romo. Cassel has only been here a few months, tough to expect him to play at a good level consistently.

& the legend of Brandon Weeden lives on. :muttley:

Cowboy4ever · Dec 11, 2015

This horrible scheme produces top offense numbers when it is ran by a decent QB, Just like every other scheme out there. There is not one scheme that is just blowing everyone away with bad QB play.

Nightman · Dec 11, 2015

Cowboy4ever said:
This horrible scheme produces top offense numbers when it is ran by a decent QB, Just like every other scheme out there. There is not one scheme that is just blowing everyone away with bad QB play.

You can't seriously say that we run an up-tempo, aggressive and user friendly offense.

Even when it's working Tony has to make 20 late adjustments and 5 spin moves a game.

Nothing comes easy. The plays are slow developing and based on 'you betting your man', not scheme wins.

Irvin88_4life · Dec 11, 2015

Wasn't bad if you don't include all his interceptions that game

LocimusPrime said:
He wasnt bad on the last eagles game. If orton had some more starts and chemistry with the receivers we could beat them.

Cowboy4ever · Dec 11, 2015

bkight13 said:
You can't seriously say that we run an up-tempo, aggressive and user friendly offense.

Even when it's working Tony has to make 20 late adjustments and 5 spin moves a game.

Nothing comes easy. The plays are slow developing and based on 'you betting your man', not scheme wins.

Did I say we ran an up Tempo, aggressive or user friendly offense? I said we have a scheme that produces top Offenses every year.

Every Great QB make adjustments and moves in the pocket.. that is what makes them great. If they can't make adjustments or have pocket awareness, you have RG3, Weeden, type results.

I don't agree with the last sentence either. On every play, we have deep, intermediate and short routes. The QB is responsible for seeing what is developing and delivering the ball. True it is not a simplistic scheme with 1/2 field reads like Seattle.

Nightman · Dec 11, 2015

Cowboy4ever said:
Did I say we ran an up Tempo, aggressive or user friendly offense? I said we have a scheme that produces top Offenses every year.

Every Great QB make adjustments and moves in the pocket.. that is what makes them great. If they can't make adjustments or have pocket awareness, you have RG3, Weeden, type results.

I don't agree with the last sentence either. On every play, we have deep, intermediate and short routes. The QB is responsible for seeing what is developing and delivering the ball. True it is not a simplistic scheme with 1/2 field reads like Seattle.

I have to strenuously object. Our offense is stuck in the 90's when JG last played.

You see teams like SEA and PHI and they have guys running uncovered. We never seem to get those mismatches.

LocimusPrime · Dec 11, 2015

He was 30 of 46 for 358 yards 2 tds and ints. With more starts and chemistry w the offense Orton probably could have done better. If we had him still we'd be talking about homefield adv instead of trying to make the playoffs.

khiladi · Dec 11, 2015

LocimusPrime said:
I've got a serious question. If our scheme is so bad that only Romo is able to function in it and without Romo the offense is in dissarray, how did Orton manage it? Now, i dont like the offense because it has been putrid this year. The defense has been put it precarious situations all year long, but is the scheme that bad that only Romo can run it or can most starting calibar qbs run the offense as well?

Because the Eagles were stupid and playing lots of single coverage all day, cover 0 and cover 1 and their safeties kept bungling plays as well.. It was like us against the Commanders when Jackson scored but it was all day.. Any decent QB will pick apart man coverage of your doing it all day.

Their defense was a comedy that day in particular.

That being said, they still forced the TOd by Orton at the end of the day..

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