Kyle Orton ranked # 2 back up in the NFL - Vick #.1

[FiveRings]

I'll look at it this way. Orton is a better backup than Vick, Vick is a better starter than Orton. For what they both give you, Ortons game, a conservative, no frills drop back game vs. Vick, Carlos Danger, living on the edge, risking a turnover every time, but at the same time being able to break open a big play, they're better fit that way. Ya dig?

 

[Bullflop]

More than likely, Michael Vick won't be Chip Kelly's backup QB, so the preceding article is all wet. You can bet Vick will be Kelly's starting QB on opening day. The spread offense, which, as we all know, is Kelly's baby, is ideally suited to Vick. Kelly know this, Vick knows it and so will we all. Kelly blames the Philly OL of last year for Vick's difficulties back then. To me, that, in itself, says something about his intentions. Their OL will be improved upon in 2013. Foles is good but he's not ideally suited to the spread. Look for Vick to start.

 

[WhizKid]

Vivk will probably be starter over Foles to start the season. Orton is good as a backup, hope he hasn't lost to many steps going into the season. I personally have always been a Shaun Hill fan.

 

[coult44]

"Getting the kid some experience and seeing if he can be the QB of the future" is basically saying you aren't going to start the best player, you're going to play this guy and are worried more about future seasons than the current one.

A first year coach simply can't do that, imo. Also, again he did get some action last year and he didn't look good.

I HATE THE EAGLES. HATE ISN't STRONG ENOUGH probably. I was there when they bood THe Playmaker while he was on the ground with a hurt neck...I HATE THEM....Here's the epiphony, I like Vick, This dude has turned did his crime and then paid the time..THen came back and says and does everything right. He's an inspiration for people who want to escape a horrible lifestyle. I'll probably get kicked out of the forum for even admitting this, but I'd take Mike VIck for our back up any day. And, I'd let me two sons listen to what he has to say about football, and about life. So to wrap this up, Vick is not a backup he's the starter. Barkely will be number 2. Orton is our number 2 Matt Miller plays for the Dolphins...

 

[Lonestar94]

I bet if Shaun Hill was a starter for another team he could do things.

Ex: Rich Gannon

 

[Ren]

Call me crazy I'd take matt moore over orton

That's not crazy at all, I'd swap Orton for Moore in a heartbeat

 

[Fredd]

wow, debates over the best BACK-UP qb...

....kinda like in high school, there are the cheerleaders and then there are the 2nd best looking girl in gym class...kinda cute but you want to date that cheerleader

 

[pancakeman]

Carlos Danger

I think you mean Ron Mexico.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Orton will and should be the back up. Given the fact the backup sees little work during the week in the regular season it matters having vet experiance. 1st thing a defense will do when they see a young inexperianced QB behind center is bring the house and get after him. Stephen and Tanney are both very raw UDFA and while they may develop I don't think 2013 is the year to place them as a backup to Romo

 

[cowboys2233]

That's a good thing for the Cowboys.

I hate Vick as much as anyone but let's not get carried away. I think if you went around the league and asked each defensive player who the bigger threat was to their team's defense, 90%+ would say Vick. I think that is particularly true given the way Chip Kelly likes to run an offense.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hate Vick as much as anyone but let's not get carried away. I think if you went around the league and asked each defensive player who the bigger threat was to their team's defense, 90%+ would say Vick. I think that is particularly true given the way Chip Kelly likes to run an offense.

at one time maybe, but now? I don't think so. Vick relys so much on his legs and even that is not as impressive as it once was.

 

[ShiningStar]

I hate Vick as much as anyone but let's not get carried away. I think if you went around the league and asked each defensive player who the bigger threat was to their team's defense, 90%+ would say Vick. I think that is particularly true given the way Chip Kelly likes to run an offense.

lets talk about the position of qb vs what Vick does best, run. This is like turning the TE into another WR. It can work, but at that moment of impact, you realize, dang, not the best idea. THey can run Vick all they like and they can risk him for that two yards, but sooner more than later, that two yards is going to end up on the sidelines at the worst time.

 

[Frozen700]

Vick is probably the #12-18th best backup QB in the NFL. He is not worth much more than a bag of peanuts.

I know this is what you wish and want to believe.

But we all know deep down, we would rather not face vick. We also know deep down that when Vick is on fire, he's on fire.

I understand he's a rival, a dog killer and all that, but stop.

 

[cowboys2233]

at one time maybe, but now? I don't think so. Vick relys so much on his legs and even that is not as impressive as it once was.

Since when? The guy still has a very impressive arm and can spin the ball with the best of them. Decision-making and other stuff is questionable, as it's always been, but he's still got impressive physical skills, both running and throwing. And it's why he is the clear front-runner for the starting job, Foles has no chance to match this guy from a physical standpoint.

 

[KJJ]

That's not crazy at all, I'd swap Orton for Moore in a heartbeat

What the heck has Matt Moore done? His best season consisted of 2497 yards and 16 TD's. He's only had 25 starts in 6 seasons. Moore's TD to turnover ratio is 33-34. He's had 22 fumbles losing 8 of them in only 25 starts. I'm not thrilled with Orton either but I wouldn't take Matt Moore over him. Had Moore not been with the Cowboys no one here would think twice about him.

 

[bayeslife]

I know this is what you wish and want to believe.

But we all know deep down, we would rather not face vick. We also know deep down that when Vick is on fire, he's on fire.

I understand he's a rival, a dog killer and all that, but stop.

What's this 'we' business? I personally love to play Vick because he's a turnover machine. Do you not watch his games?

 

[Califan007]

This article is bogus because Vick has been separating himself so far in training camp.

PFT: Vick, Foles keep splitting reps with neither showing signs of emerging

Via John Gonzalez of CSNPhilly.com, Mike Vick and Nick Foles split first-team reps for the third day of training camp, with Vick unofficially completing nine of 14 throws and Foles nine of 16. Gonzalez writes that neither man “did much to impress.”

In fact, the best throw of the day came from rookie Matt Barkley, who has (to date) been relegated to third string. Barkley completed nine of 11 passes in 15 snaps, including a long throw and catch to Greg Salas that drew a roar from the crowd.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-reps-with-neither-showing-signs-of-emerging/

This was just 7 days ago...

 

[cowboys2233]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-reps-with-neither-showing-signs-of-emerging/

This was just 7 days ago...

And this was just one day ago.

Gregg Rosenthal noted last week that Michael Vick had taken the early lead in his battle with Nick Foles for the Philadelphia Eagles' starting quarterback job under new coach Chip Kelly. With a few more practices in the books, the veteran is starting to pull away. Vick has been "tremendous," according to Reuben Frank of Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, pulling away from Foles while rookie Matt Barkley has been relegated to third- and fourth-team snaps.


While it's premature to declare the fight in Vick's favor, it's been our expectation all along that he would win decisively. Foles "hasn't been bad at all," per Frank, but he's simply not as talented as Vick or as natural of a fit in Kelly's offense.

 

[Solution]

Orton will not win games for us in my opinion. If tony gets dinged and orton needs to finish a game, or a drive then I guess you could say hes a top back up in that regard. But if Tony was to go down for entire games at a time, I doubt the year after Orton would be considered a sufficient back up. What is good about him is obviously his experience, and that if called upon hes not going to fold like a chair. Beyond that though, we seriously need to find a young number 2 with potential. The fact that everyone feels "safe" about orton backing Tony up is what worries me.

 

[KJJ]

Orton will not win games for us in my opinion. If tony gets dinged and orton needs to finish a game, or a drive then I guess you could say hes a top back up in that regard. But if Tony was to go down for entire games at a time, I doubt the year after Orton would be considered a sufficient back up. What is good about him is obviously his experience, and that if called upon hes not going to fold like a chair. Beyond that though, we seriously need to find a young number 2 with potential. The fact that everyone feels "safe" about orton backing Tony up is what worries me.

I doubt everyone feels "safe" about Orton backing up Romo he's an immobile bus driver. You get behind in games with him you're going to be in trouble. Very few teams have a young #2 with potential so they settle for an older QB with starting experience. If you're going to have a chance to stay in the race you need an experienced QB who can step in not a young QB who needs to be developed.